Facelift 2.0TFSI quattro (190PS) vs. S3

RGBARGEE

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It’s more the fact that you keep going on and on about it, what are you expecting the car to be returned and a petrol to be ordered. You know the saying about options and a holes, just let it go.
I think you need to read the OP. It is about 190TFSI quattro vs S3 . Not sure why H5 started diverting people down a diesel route.
 

Steaman

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****** hell can’t any body accept that h5djr is perfectly happy with his choice of engine. Just because you have an opinion doesn’t mean it’s right!

We politely present facts and opinions which is the purpose of a forum. Why becoming upset and raise your voice?
I like both Petrol and Diesel engines and will not start a crusade.
 

TYb

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We politely present facts and opinions which is the purpose of a forum. Why becoming upset and raise your voice?
I like both Petrol and Diesel engines and will not start a crusade.
No raised voice just tired of the relentless regurgitatation.
 

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A diesel with automatic transmission is a nice combination in SUV:s and I love it in our MB, but here in Sweden the sale of new diesel cars has dropped dramatically during 2017, and I think the trend will continue.
But for a small care like the A3 a petrol engine that is rev happy and also has low torque it perfect.

Well as I said to start with, each to their own. Having driven both I much prefer the 184TDI. What will happen in the future will be up to Audi.
 

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No raised voice just tired of the relentless regurgitatation.

Perhaps it's all down to his forum name REBARGEE which I assume is short for the English "argy-bargy" which my dictionary says is "squabbling argument"
 

RGBARGEE

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Perhaps it's all down to his forum name REBARGEE which I assume is short for the English "argy-bargy" which my dictionary says is "squabbling argument"
That is rather rude don't you think?....no need to deliberately come back and try to single me out and wind me up... I was not alone!... and how very quick of you to pick up on my tongue in cheek humour although in response as you appear to need a number plate to remember your initials its hardly surprising!

Let's get back to the OP which actually until you diverted was about a comparison between PETROL A/S3!

No 'argy bargy' here just analysis of facts and then an objective decision based on subjective criteria.
 
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TYb

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That is rather rude don't you think?....no need to deliberately come back and try to single me out and wind me up... I was not alone!... and how very quick of you to pick up on my tongue in cheek humour although in response as you appear to need a number plate to remember your initials its hardly surprising!

Let's get back to the OP which actually until you diverted was about a comparison between PETROL A/S3!

No 'argy bargy' here just analysis of facts and then an objective decision based on subjective criteria.
Let’s all get along, we are all Audi after all....
 

RGBARGEE

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Let’s all get along, we are all Audi after all....
Here here, I do object to insults about by initials and also being a bargee. Totally out of order H5 hence my atypical response!
 

TYb

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Here here, I do object to insults about by initials and also being a bargee. Totally out of order H5 hence my atypical response!
I’m sure was tongue in cheek, often what’s written can come across worse, guilty of it myself.

This is a great forum, really informative and fun.
 

RGBARGEE

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I’m sure was tongue in cheek, often what’s written can come across worse, guilty of it myself.

This is a great forum, really informative and fun.
Here here.. don't let the old farts ruin it for the masses eh.. he said tongue in cheek!!
 

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I agree. Out of interest my initials are not DJR...
 

Shawn8V

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The difference in Diesel prices between Germany and the UK is about 8p a litre, certainly not enough to convince anyone that they are making huge savings these days doing >2000 miles a year.. I agree about the black headlining and always have pano roof which really makes the car a nicer place to be. My new RS4 will have 450PS and 600Nm of torque and hopefully will have enough performance. As for having 10 A3's is that 8L, 8P, and 8V .. How long do you keep them? Seems a good way to burn money if you change so regularly and not too sure why you feel you need to, but each to their own.

I like how you start an arguement just to point out that you’ve got an rs4 on the way :thumbs up:. On the topic of others burning thier money away, I guessing you won’t burn any money when it comes to getting rid on your rs4 come time.
 

RGBARGEE

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I like how you start an arguement just to point out that you’ve got an rs4 on the way :thumbs up:. On the topic of others burning thier money away, I guessing you won’t burn any money when it comes to getting rid on your rs4 come time.

Good discounts, sensible spec, private sale = reasonable to run RS. 2 years £7k depreciation. I expect the RS4 will lose double that.


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RGBARGEE

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What are your monthlies on that?

£0 . Paying cash. There are PCP quotes for RS4 on audi.co.uk

£30k down over 3 years was £200 a month I think. Not paying 6+% interest on a PCP thanks.


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£0 . Paying cash. There are PCP quotes for RS4 on audi.co.uk

£30k down over 3 years was £200 a month I think. Not paying 6+% interest on a PCP thanks.


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Fair one. That's a lot of wack. You can't have a mortgage :O.
 

Shawn8V

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Good discounts, sensible spec, private sale = reasonable to run RS. 2 years £7k depreciation. I expect the RS4 will lose double that.


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Good discounts on a new rs4 ? I’m guessing you’ve got someone high at an Audi dealership in you’re back pocket or either I must have missed something. Can’t even seem to get £500 off a decent spec rs4, or any RS model.
 

RGBARGEE

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RS discounts have never been as good as other models. Best ever deal I had was an A7 BT. Over 20% plus support from Audi Finance. No one is in my back pocket by the way. There is always a deal to be done but has to be approached in a personable yet clinical way. Don't get fooled by £x a month simple arithmetic and always do your homework.
 

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Are you talking DJR ? Could be anything mate. Dubious Jackbooted Rebel ?
Not sure what the letters stand for but I’m sure it’s something quite distinguished as I’ve always found this member of the forum to be extremely helpful and courteous.
 

rory182

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I had a TTS (272ps) and loved the performance but found it was too tempting to drive quick and found the 'S model' bills are pretty expensive when it comes to things like replacing brake calipers etc. So when I replaced it I didn't want more power and ended up going for a 2017 2.0tfsi quattro sportback in a bid to slow myself down.

I'm convinced it must have more than 190bhp, it has more torque than my old 210bhp Scirocco or 225bhp MK1 TT and torque is what makes power... I'm intrigued to see what they make standard on a rolling road, wouldn't be surprised if it's 210-220bhp. Haven't seen any charts yet as very few have remaps available so no before and after figures.

The smaller turbo spools up quickly and in sport mode it's pretty quick. I find the suspension a bit soft though coming from a TTS, presume the S3 has stiffer suspension than my s-line.
 

RGBARGEE

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I had a TTS (272ps) and loved the performance but found it was too tempting to drive quick and found the 'S model' bills are pretty expensive when it comes to things like replacing brake calipers etc. So when I replaced it I didn't want more power and ended up going for a 2017 2.0tfsi quattro sportback in a bid to slow myself down.

I'm convinced it must have more than 190bhp, it has more torque than my old 210bhp Scirocco or 225bhp MK1 TT and torque is what makes power... I'm intrigued to see what they make standard on a rolling road, wouldn't be surprised if it's 210-220bhp. Haven't seen any charts yet as very few have remaps available so no before and after figures.

The smaller turbo spools up quickly and in sport mode it's pretty quick. I find the suspension a bit soft though coming from a TTS, presume the S3 has stiffer suspension than my s-line.
S3 is the way to go. Mag ride 19in and panoramic roof... superb!
 

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Are you talking DJR ? Could be anything mate. Dubious Jackbooted Rebel ?
Actually the DJR is for David and Jenny Robinson. Jenny is my wife and the the plate has been now been transferred to our new Q3 2.0 TDI 190, DSG, quattro, sport. As I have problems with my legs and can no longer drive safely the driving is done by Jenny.
 

RGBARGEE

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Actually the DJR is for David and Jenny Robinson. Jenny is my wife and the the plate has been now been transferred to our new Q3 2.0 TDI 190, DSG, quattro, sport. As I have problems with my legs and can no longer drive safely the driving is done by Jenny.
You have just replied to a 2 year old post I think. Sorry to hear about your legs but I still don’t understand why you want your initials on your number plate!! Each to their own though. Sell the plate and get a Vorsprung! Bit surprised you have bought a Sport model, I thought a year or two back you were most insistent that SE spec and standard seats were best.
 
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h5djr

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You have just replied to a 2 year old post I think. Sorry to hear about your legs but I still don’t understand why you want your initials on your number plate!! Each to their own though. Sell the plate and get a Vorsprung! Bit surprised you have bought a Sport model, I thought a year or two back you were most insistent that SE spec and standard seats were best.
The model range for the Q3 is different to the A3, basically Sport, S-Line, Edition 1, and Vorsprung. The Sport has the most comfortable seats of any Audi I have owned and the Sport trim with a few options gives me just the car I want. When I purchased my current Q3 they offered the Sport trim with a 150 or 190 TDI engine, but , for some reason, they no longer offer the 190.
 

RGBARGEE

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The model range for the Q3 is different to the A3, basically Sport, S-Line, Edition 1, and Vorsprung. The Sport has the most comfortable seats of any Audi I have owned and the Sport trim with a few options gives me just the car I want. When I purchased my current Q3 they offered the Sport trim with a 150 or 190 TDI engine, but , for some reason, they no longer offer the 190.
The 8V A3 was introduced nearly 8 years ago and the new one will have similar versions to the Q3. Pleased that you like the Sport but do recall a few years ago how vocal you were about having to have SE specification because of your dislike of Sport seats etc. Glad to see things have moved on. We have a new 45 Vorsprung Sportback on its way to replace S3 and a diesel car. We will see if it’s a wise choice. Sadly Diesel is now seen as the fuel of the devil and unlikely to be a big seller or retain its value hence limited demand .
 

RGBARGEE

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The 8V A3 was introduced nearly 8 years ago and the new one will have similar versions to the Q3. Pleased that you like the Sport but do recall a few years ago how vocal you were about having to have SE specification because of your dislike of Sport seats etc. Glad to see things have moved on. We have a new 45 Vorsprung Sportback on its way to replace S3 and a diesel car. We will see if it’s a wise choice. Sadly Diesel is now seen as the fuel of the devil and unlikely to be a big seller or retain its value hence limited demand .
The Sport 40 TDI 190 is still showing on the configurator.

Back to the original post. S3 versus 190. Having owned both and driven 10’s of thousands of miles I would go S3 every time. Little difference in fuel economy and the extra 100/110 Ps when required is both fun and safe. The S3 is undoubtedly the peach of the 8v range and add SSS and a Pano Roof and you can’t go wrong. As a daily driver S3 is my favourite
 
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RGBARGEE

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Bollards ...don't be scared away from a car that's desirable to thieves..............options are there to them that can afford them...yeah dont go overboard with them but the S3 is like a desert lsland without them
The S3 even in BE spec needs SSS Pan Roof and virtual cockpit as a minimum. Lots of poverty spec base models don’t sell.
 
Having owned both and driven 10’s of thousands of miles I would go S3 every time. Little difference in fuel economy and the extra 100/110 Ps when required is both fun and safe.
Having owned an S3 and 1.8TFSI, the S3 LTA is 32 mpg, the 1.8, 42 mpg. I can't see the 2.0/190 being much different to the 1.8/180.

The S3 even in BE spec needs SSS Pan Roof and virtual cockpit as a minimum. Lots of poverty spec base models don’t sell.
Lol, nice to have but at an extra £3k... Knock half that off the asking price after three years and a similar S3 without these extras will sell quicker.

Pleased that you like the Sport but do recall a few years ago how vocal you were about having to have SE specification because of your dislike of Sport seats etc.
Have to say that an A3 SE loaner had the most uncomfortable seats after half an hour of any car I've driven in a long time.
 

RGBARGEE

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Having owned an S3 and 1.8TFSI, the S3 LTA is 32 mpg, the 1.8, 42 mpg. I can't see the 2.0/190 being much different to the 1.8/180.


Lol, nice to have but at an extra £3k... Knock half that off the asking price after three years and a similar S3 without these extras will sell quicker.

Fuel economy... our 2.0 train was actually less economic than both S3 we have had. Current 310 returns 38mpg on sensible runs and averages 32mpg..


Have to say that an A3 SE loaner had the most uncomfortable seats after half an hour of any car I've driven in a long time.

well... where do I start? 1.8 is nothing like the 2.0. Less torque. Less power feels like a little buzz box.

extras on an S3... Pan roof, 19in wheels, Mag ride SSS, tech pack etc... £5k more new yes and well worth £2k premium after 2/3 years. They turn the base BE car into something special.s-tronic economy is far better than manual btw
 
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well... where do I start? 1.8 is nothing like the 2.0. Less torque. Less power feels like a little buzz box.

extras on an S3... Pan roof, 19in wheels, Mag ride SSS, tech pack etc... £5k more new yes and well worth £2k premium after 2/3 years. They turn the base BE car into something special.s-tronic economy is far better than manual btw

The 2.0 isn't that much better than the 1.8 and if the economy has dropped by 10 mpg... S-tronic far better economy lol.

An extra £100 a month to lose for what most would see as pointless extras. Go for it, your buyer will be pleased you lost an additional £3k+ on a few flashy toys.
 

RGBARGEE

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The 2.0 isn't that much better than the 1.8 and if the economy has dropped by 10 mpg... S-tronic far better economy lol.

An extra £100 a month to lose for what most would see as pointless extras. Go for it, your buyer will be pleased you lost an additional £3k+ on a few flashy toys.

I actually disagree. A Pano roof costs about £900 after discount . People will pay circa £500 more for a used car with one if they want one. Over 2/3 years a £10/15 a month loss.

Look at the official figures for M6 versus Auto Stronic where there are both offered and Auto consistently out performs M6. Certainly my 2018 S3 Stronic 310 is way more economical than a previous 2014 S3 300 M6.

If you are on a budget don't have extras you like. For me a sunroof and nicer wheels are worth the extra, much of which is recovered on resale.

On the basis of your argument you should be running around in a £5k Hyundai! Anything else is surely pointless ;-)
 

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My £43100 OTR spec S3 due in March was the following, inc free GAP

48 months 8000 miles PA
£400 per month - £58887.74 Deposit
£425 per month - £4831.18 Deposit
£450 per month - £4274.41 Deposit

ill prob be going for the £425 a month
 

RGBARGEE

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My £43100 OTR spec S3 due in March was the following, inc free GAP

48 months 8000 miles PA
£400 per month - £58887.74 Deposit
£425 per month - £4831.18 Deposit
£450 per month - £4274.41 Deposit

ill prob be going for the £425 a month
Love the typo!!!
 

RGBARGEE

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£425


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£525 including the deposit . I reckon that's an expensive way of buying an S3.
 
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