2.0t Engine Seized :(

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So, coming back from another camping trip yesterday, giving it some on the Cat & Fiddle in the Peak District my red oil pressure warning light came on !!
Due to the windy road I was on with double white lines and lots of heavy goods vehicle traffic I could not pull over straight away but before I could find somewhere safe my engine cut out and I rolled to the side of the road with what turns out to be terminal engine failure :(

A bit of background; I bought the 2005 car in Jan for £6.5k with 85k on the clock and one lady owner and full service history (Audi first 4 years).
I had the DV valve replaced about a month ago and then on Monday had a full service and new thermostat and new alternator belt as well as engine flush for £400. Plus I had an APR rep-map trial installed.

So the car has only recently been achieving 200bhp then c235bhp with the remap.

The options at my local mechanic (not the guys who serviced it) are 5 hours labour to discover what the problem is with the highly likely outcome being that I will need a new engine. They already know that the top is wrecked and so that is the minimum before any further investigation.

other options are:

  • £900 labour and I source my own engine, no guarantee
  • £3k to have current engine reconditioned, 6 months/6k miles guarantee
  • 5.3k to have reconditioned engine sourced from Audi, 12 months/12k miles guarantee
RAC guy reckoned it was a oil pump failure as there was loads of oil in it (new oil as it was only serviced on Monday!!)
Also, could not move the engine when rocking in 1st gear

Does anyone think that the sudden increase in power to the engine could have caused this, or something went wrong during the service that could have led to the catastrophic failure.

I'm gutted as I've just got a job 35 miles away from my home and am gonna be pretty stuck without a car :(

Thought I'd bought a minter so this is a big blow to me :(
 
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You can get cheaper recon engines than that. Worth looking around.
 
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What the hell is going on?:sadlike:
The number of 2.0T seized engines is increasig rapidly lately..
Scared Shi***ss now I'm about to do a nearly 5000 mile euro trip in a month time,and really worried now..

Feel sorry for you mate, can imagine how gutted you must be right now.
as above said look/search around you might find engines cheaper than that.
not sure what did caused your's mate , in most cases its a clogged oil pickup pipe.>>> starves the turbo,engine of oil.
 
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Doubt it was the map tbh. as above most common failures are the pickup pipe clogging, cam chain snapping etc.
but like tom said, i use my car alot and i hate reading these horror stories :(

My service is due end of this month, (when my remap was done I had no fault codes) am hoping it will go smoothly. Im getting the pickup pipe done at same time while they are doing the oil change
 
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Sorry to hear this Quattrodude.

Cannot believe the amount of DTM and 2.0t motors going pop left right and centre I know mostly caused from chain and pick up as mentioned but holy s***. Its like a petition should be made towards Audi because honestly I dont think I have ever heard or had so much issues as I have had with my Audi let alone other owners. Really intrigues me as to how "non forum and non enthusiastic peoples" cars dont have the same issue unless its us that are the ones who appreciate there car that are the ones dealing with there issues.

I know you did in the past have a cam chain and tensioner issue in the past or had it replaced if memory serves me correct.

Just out of interest which fuel pump went the High pressure one towards the rear of the engine or the fuel pump under the rear seat.
 
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we have two fuel pumps? christ i learn more parts to these engines every day lmao
 
Wow !! So the 2.0 petrol engines are also suspect ?.....there was me thinking the TDi was the engine to avoid (which I found out after I bought one - doh !!).

If this is an oil pick up issue then how come the afor mentioned engine flush hasn't cleared the oilways/pickup ? Plus its then sucking up fresh clean oil.

Is this another design fault, or more a case of the wrong grade oil and service period ?

You have to feel for anyone faced with this problem.

Hope you're back on the road soon.
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Thanks for your posts guys, sorry I meant the oil pump, not the fuel pump.
I've seen some online offers of reconditioned engine fitted for £1600 which is much cheaper and come with a good warranty period of 20k miles.
I can't believe the petrol has the same issues as the diesels. What mileage are the diesels suspect at?
Car had been on long life service intervals, but the last service on Monday was not.
 
Quattrodude said:
Thanks for your posts guys, sorry I meant the oil pump, not the fuel pump.
I've seen some online offers of reconditioned engine fitted for £1600 which is much cheaper and come with a good warranty period of 20k miles.
I can't believe the petrol has the same issues as the diesels. What mileage are the diesels suspect at?
Car had been on long life service intervals, but the last service on Monday was not.
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I don't think the diesels are known for this. There's a particular 1.9 tdi that's likes to throw it's legs out of bed.
And the 2.0 tdi is known for DPF issues, turbo issues and injector issues. Plus early 2.0 tdi's had issues with cracking heads. So more than enough issues!!

I think the main issues with the 2.0t is the oil pickup getting blocked, wrecking the engine and there is an oil consumption issues that required a rebuild with new pistons
 
Reckon it's worth me ringing the people who serviced it and getting some advice of them and seeing if they know any VAG rebuild specialists? They are VAG specialists themselves
 
Just out of interest how many miles is the vehicle on now?

The entire oil pump from TPS is £838.33 ex vat = £1006 inc vat with the balance shaft etc Part number 06B103535F

Thou I will advise you that the above is the trade price for the unit.
 
According to indys its the long service intervals, and wrong oil grade oil usage that causes the oil pickup pipe to get clogged just as Gone South said. also the driving style of owners over the years.. these engines don't like short journeys, plus people driving it in sort of very spirited way turning the engine off right away without letting it cool down (specially the turbo suffers from this)

My mate who's a mechanic and into VAG's said the actual usage of oil might be an early indication of problems to come.
Luckily mine barely used any oil between the two services since i have the car. So the key prevention might be short , regular oil changes every 5k, 7k using the right oil. also if you just bought the car like i did a year ago change things like the cambelt,water pump,thermostat etc.. if you're not 100% sure they've been done.

Giosabcsl mentioned akind of funny thing like how come this happens to us who care about our car and not ''random non enthusiast'' owners.
maybe its them killing these engines,allowing such things to come up due to their lack of interes or knowledge. unfortunately the poor things give up when thery're in our hands already...
 
very unfortunate mate.

you could get an engine for £800 tops. its just knowing the history of it.
but if you replaced the pick up pipe, cambelt, water pump, chain and tensioner before swapping it out,
you shouldnt go far wrong. BGB, AXX, BUL, etc will be fine. CDL BYD will be more as the CDL is the S3 engine,
BYD edition 30.
 
I agree with the comment about long extended oil drain intervals causing problems
Old saying oil cheap, engines and gearboxes expensive!
 
Giosabcsl said:
Just out of interest how many miles is the vehicle on now?

The entire oil pump from TPS is £838.33 ex vat = £1006 inc vat with the balance shaft etc Part number 06B103535F

Thou I will advise you that the above is the trade price for the unit.
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The car has done 88k miles

I had been turning off the engine at long waiting traffic lights to save the time I had left on the free re-map
Maybe this could have contributed??
 
Quattrodude said:
The car has done 88k miles

I had been turning off the engine at long waiting traffic lights to save the time I had left on the free re-map
Maybe this could have contributed??
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that's nothing to do with it
as all above clogged pick up or chain snapped
 
if you decide to sell as is
PM me
 
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Crikey, not another one! I've just driven to Anglesey, Wales and back, the longest drive in ages and all okay luckily. Well, beside the little oil leaks everywhere I parked...

It costs a lot of money to replace an engine, which ever way you try. Checking the replacement engine is not stolen is recommended. You'll never get the money back on selling it, which can also be more difficult unless the mileages are close as it puts off buyers. Breaking the car instead you'll get much more back in your pocket for sure, but not everyone has the ability, time or energy to do this!

Good luck fixing your car and keep us updated!
 
Thanks Al, that's what in worried about, the engine not being the original which is why I'd like to get the current one reconditioned and put straight back in.
 
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Quattrodude said:
Thanks Al, that's what in worried about, the engine not being the original which is why I'd like to get the current one reconditioned and put straight back in.
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hi,sorry to hear about your car mate i had this happen to a 2.0tfsi cupra a few years ago so feel your pain...I wouldnt worry at all about changing the complete engine and it not being the original,that one in croydon thats done 65k looks a good buy if it checks out.Also i have had engines rebuilt in the past and so have friends of mine and they never feel the same and costs a lot more than a good secondhand engine........i bought an 05 2.0tfsi quattro a couple of weeks ago and this story has me worried, i will have a new pick up pipe fitted this week......good luck with getting your car sorted and if you get stuck pm me, i have a couple of friends who own garages and could fit an engine for you if you decide to go the secondhand route
 
Their feedback is a bit strange, they also sell used engines and its 100 percent plus just 4 feedbacks in the last 2 years.
Of course they may just use ebay as a sales platform and all business is taken care off of ebay.
 
lynallbel said:
Their feedback is a bit strange, they also sell used engines and its 100 percent plus just 4 feedbacks in the last 2 years.
Of course they may just use ebay as a sales platform and all business is taken care off of ebay.
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Yea that's not uncommon mate as you say they could use it to simply advertise.

Let's be honest you would find them there and talk to them on the phone and
go visit and pay when you do the deal.
 
Its just Im a suspicous ******* and In my eyes any engine recon firm in London is bound to be dodgy!
 
lynallbel said:
Its just Im a suspicous ******* and In my eyes any engine recon firm in London is bound to be dodgy!
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Remember" Heathrow Engines" as featured on BBC Watchdog ?
This all sounds a little like them with a face lift and rebadge .......................
 
This has also worried me, my 2.0 TFSi has 89k on the clock, but is serviced every 12 months, DV has been changed for revised one, new PCV, cambelt & water pump done 12 months ago at 75k.
Anyone know the approx cost of changing the oil pickup pipe??
 
Paul B7 said:
Remember" Heathrow Engines" as featured on BBC Watchdog ?
This all sounds a little like them with a face lift and rebadge .......................
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Sorry to hear about this. Could you not fit a oil pump conversion like the tdi's I done mine and converted it to the old 1.9 oil pump

Also I would source the engine your self do not trust a engine recon place in London. A little story to tell

At work had a range rover TDV6 which threw a rod. We called everywhere and we could not find one. We called up a mate and he is a 4x4 expert. He has 3 range rovers parked there waiting the TDV6 engine. We said to him they supply and fit on eBay. He said don't touch them you won't see the car again. The same with the Porsche engines on eBay. Also by handing your keys to these people ,you won't be able to claim on insurance if it does go missing as they will close down the company before you can get trading standards involved

I'm not saying they are all bad but just a word of advice.
 
Just an update, my car is still in being repaired, not sure on progress, but it's been 3 weeks since it happened and 2.5 weeks since it's been at the repair centre but the gaffer has been on hol. It's very frustrating not having my car but I'm getting by.
Anyway, I was having a think after a few people, including the repair centre, suggested that it could be the oil pick up pipe.
This made me consider the effects of having an engine oil flush and what this would do to the sludgy deposits of oil that has built up over the life of the engine, and I stumbled across this (bearing in mind I had an oil flush 3 days before the problem happened) :

There are a lot of opinions as to whether or not an engine oil flush can cause damage to the vehicles engine. Since today’s modern engines have tighter oil passages than the engines of old, there’s a possibility that sludge deposits could break up and become lodged in oil passages. This could decrease the flow of engine oil to vital engine components and cause damage to those components.

Another possibility is that particles from the engine oil flush could block the pick up screen to the engine oil pump. This could cause a loss of oil pressure that could result in engine damage.

If an engine oil flush is performed, ask the service advisor if there are any warranties or guarantees against engine damage. If there is a warranty that comes with an engine flush service, get it in writing, don’t take a service advisors word for it. If the engine oil and filter are religiously replaced at the manufacturers recommended intervals, there shouldn’t be a need to have the vehicles engine oil flushed

I have always thought that the engine failing so soon after having the engine flush and a remap must have been something to do with one of those things. The garage suggested I have it because the car had been on a long life service schedule up to then.
If so I need to prove it so that I could potentially make a claim against the garage who suggested it.
 
Quattrodude said:
Just an update, my car is still in being repaired, not sure on progress, but it's been 3 weeks since it happened and 2.5 weeks since it's been at the repair centre but the gaffer has been on hol. It's very frustrating not having my car but I'm getting by.
Anyway, I was having a think after a few people, including the repair centre, suggested that it could be the oil pick up pipe.
This made me consider the effects of having an engine oil flush and what this would do to the sludgy deposits of oil that has built up over the life of the engine, and I stumbled across this (bearing in mind I had an oil flush 3 days before the problem happened) :

There are a lot of opinions as to whether or not an engine oil flush can cause damage to the vehicles engine. Since today’s modern engines have tighter oil passages than the engines of old, there’s a possibility that sludge deposits could break up and become lodged in oil passages. This could decrease the flow of engine oil to vital engine components and cause damage to those components.

Another possibility is that particles from the engine oil flush could block the pick up screen to the engine oil pump. This could cause a loss of oil pressure that could result in engine damage.

If an engine oil flush is performed, ask the service advisor if there are any warranties or guarantees against engine damage. If there is a warranty that comes with an engine flush service, get it in writing, don’t take a service advisors word for it. If the engine oil and filter are religiously replaced at the manufacturers recommended intervals, there shouldn’t be a need to have the vehicles engine oil flushed

I have always thought that the engine failing so soon after having the engine flush and a remap must have been something to do with one of those things. The garage suggested I have it because the car had been on a long life service schedule up to then.
If so I need to prove it so that I could potentially make a claim against the garage who suggested it.
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I see what you're saying and the oil flush is probably somewhat responsible but I don't think you'll have any chance of a claim.

The garage suggested it in good faith not expecting your oil passages/pickup pipe to block and destroy your engine. I don't think they would be held responsible for something that they couldn't have foreseen.

Garages have very little liability when it comes to damage caused to vehicles.
I had my old seat serviced at a main dealer a few years back. During the service, they damaged the vacuum system so it went straight into limp and no turbo on the way home.
They were claiming that because the car was over 3 years old, even though they broke it, it was likely to break at some point anyway so they wanted me to foot the bill to repair all the damaged their ham hands had caused!!
After a quick research on the net I found they were right in what they were saying, that they didn't have to help me at all.
It was all sorted after a long conversation with their head office though. Fixed free of charge
 
I wish I had just sent it to my normal garage as they would have not bothered trying to upsell me an oil flush !!
It has turned out to be a very expensive decision :(
 
me I never have the oil flush
and when members on here asking if its worth it I always try to put them off
 
I was recommended an engine oil flush 2 years ago when having my service carried out at Awesome GTI in Manchester. I took them up on the offer as I thought it was a good idea. Touch wood my car still works.

I must admit though, I am now seriously considering the oil pick-up pipe replacement as preventative maintenance, just in case.
 
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+1 I had flush done at last service about 6 months ago. car drives ok,but booked it in for a oil pick up replacement anyways just so I can sleep well at night.
 
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Yeah, I was always advised that if engine flush has never been used from the start, then it shouldn't be used at all.
 
I will be raising it with my garage by way of a letter nontheless and hopefully some pursuasive negotiation will allow for some sort of compromise
 
theres no way on earth you could 100% blame the oil flush.
and the garage know it .
 
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