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I'm currently driving a 2017 TFSI 3.0 SQ5 and as my thoughts tend to wander over to new cars regularly, i was wondering on what the value of the V6 Petrol SQ5 will do over time, given that it's been removed from sale with the only option being the TDI engine now and with the UK committing to EV by the end of the decade.

I'd like to think that it would retain value quite well as a 'one off' petrol SQ5 that was made at a point in time, however it could also tank!

Interested to see what everyones general thoughts are.
 
3 plus years old the worst period of depreciation will have passed.

The EV thing has been debated extensively already so we won't go there, infrastructure challenges and the 2030 thing is a government aspiration without a solid plan as to how it will get there - plus there will be getting on for 2 or probably three changes of government before then.

What have you got your eye on? I've saw a Youtube video comparison of the F3 Q3 and Q5 for practical size differences - there is very little in it at all.
 
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I'm currently driving a 2017 TFSI 3.0 SQ5 and as my thoughts tend to wander over to new cars regularly, i was wondering on what the value of the V6 Petrol SQ5 will do over time, given that it's been removed from sale with the only option being the TDI engine now and with the UK committing to EV by the end of the decade.

I'd like to think that it would retain value quite well as a 'one off' petrol SQ5 that was made at a point in time, however it could also tank!

Interested to see what everyones general thoughts are.
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NO pockets in shrouds, do what ever you need to have FUN now...

Me/us a 2016 diesel SQ5, just perfect for our needs/wants.
 
cosmicblue said:
3 plus years old the worst period of depreciation will have passed.

The EV thing has been debated extensively already so we won't go there, infrastructure challenges and the 2030 thing is a government aspiration without a solid plan as to how it will get there - plus there will be getting on for 2 or probably three changes of government before then.

What have you got your eye on? I've saw a Youtube video comparison of the F3 Q3 and Q5 for practical size differences - there is very little in it at all.
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I originally moved over to the SQ5 as here in the cotswolds it tends to get very muddy, flooded or the roads are more pitted than crumpet and my BMW was back breaking.

Figured the SQ5 would be able to handle most of what I threw at it but now I’m doubting it’s actual capabilities and are looking at a Range Rover Sport as it’s got MUCH better ground clearance, approach, exit angles, cheaper tax and economy despite still being a powerhouse engine.

I was all over a new defender but practically I’ll never need that amount of off-road capability even though I plan on doing some greenlaning with some mates this year.

Agree on the EV front. We could learn a lot from Norway who introduced the infrastructure to support an EV move whereas we can barely support our current vehicles and roads never mind a shift to EV.

My thoughts were more along the lines of whether people thought it would become desirable simply because there was only one generation of SQ5 and possibly the only generation they will make as I honestly think the diesel lump works better in the chassis.
 
Don't do the JLR thing - it's easy to be suckered by the fabulous marketing and gorgeous looks. When you own an Audi one takes it for granted that the vehicle completes its journey through R&D before it's released for sale so one rarely visits the dealer between services.

Buy a JLR product and there will always be some something squeaking/rattling or not working. Just spend a bit of time on the Landrover forums. I had a Range Rover 6 months, JLR bought it back - I got to know the local dealer's service department (Guy Salmon - Stratford upon Avon) on 1st name terms. Had a brand new RR Sport loaner...tailgate would open by itself driving down the road and the instrument panel would go black...."Yeah they do that sir".
 
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I originally moved over to the SQ5 as here in the cotswolds it tends to get very muddy, flooded or the roads are more pitted than crumpet and my BMW was back breaking.

Figured the SQ5 would be able to handle most of what I threw at it but now I’m doubting it’s actual capabilities and are looking at a Range Rover Sport as it’s got MUCH better ground clearance, approach, exit angles, cheaper tax and economy despite still being a powerhouse engine.

I was all over a new defender but practically I’ll never need that amount of off-road capability even though I plan on doing some greenlaning with some mates this year.

Agree on the EV front. We could learn a lot from Norway who introduced the infrastructure to support an EV move whereas we can barely support our current vehicles and roads never mind a shift to EV.

My thoughts were more along the lines of whether people thought it would become desirable simply because there was only one generation of SQ5 and possibly the only generation they will make as I honestly think the diesel lump works better in the chassis.
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Go Range Rover Sport - "it’s got MUCH better ground clearance, approach, exit angles, cheaper tax and economy despite still being a powerhouse engine."
 
cosmicblue said:
Don't do the JLR thing - it's easy to be suckered by the fabulous marketing and gorgeous looks. When you own an Audi one takes it for granted that the vehicle completes its journey through R&D before it's released for sale so one rarely visits the dealer between services.

Buy a JLR product and there will always be some something squeaking/rattling or not working. Just spend a bit of time on the Landrover forums. I had a Range Rover 6 months, JLR bought it back - I got to know the local dealer's service department (Guy Salmon - Stratford upon Avon) on 1st name terms. Had a brand new RR Sport loaner...tailgate would open by itself driving down the road and the instrument panel would go black...."Yeah they do that sir".
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I 100% agree: when looking at SQ5 alternatives I looked at the JLR package and having spoken at length to my local spanner people was told: "unless you want to be down here every week with us looking at issues then don't go JLR!" And I did not. Like the looks, ish, but there's nothing I'd swap my 'diesel' SQ5 for - even an RSQ3 performance, sorry, lol :whistle2::whip::sadlike:
 
45bvtc said:
there's nothing I'd swap my 'diesel' SQ5 for - even an RSQ3 performance, sorry, lol :whistle2::whip::sadlike:
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Whaaaat don't be so daft John, that old barge has made you go all soft haha:sob:
 
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It has Ju, it has
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: and these 9J Rotor rims with Continental winter rubber are a 'ride' revelation!

Summer 9J Rotor rims off to refurb in the morning, depending on what Boris says later of course...

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PS: a 20-mile hospital run last Monday on 6-inches plus of fresh, fresh snow took 5-minutes longer than it does usually on dry tarmac: don't ya just love an SQ5 on winter rubber on fresh, fresh snow
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-Ju- said:
Whaaaat don't be so daft John, that old barge has made you go all soft haha:sob:
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For us, truly Ju, I cannot think of anything better: does all: maybe I'll wear out the flappy paddles soon but otherwise just a superb machine.

PS: just done (today) a great insurance deal with ASN sponsors AIB: ALL 3-cars (SQ5/RS3/TT) for much less than last year (with SAGA) and SAGA just upping last years SQ5 premiums by 17%. Guess they don't want the business. AIB's Ronnie, Luca, and Laura just soo easy to deal with
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Only teasing John, I loved the SQ5 but just wanted something a bit more special, something that had that "X" factor. As you know with your RS3, it has that added ingredient that makes it an occasion to go out.
As for car insurance, the RSQ3 is £200 a year cheaper...wish I could say the same for the fuel though, its rarely into the 20's:crying:
 
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-Ju- said:
Only teasing John, I loved the SQ5 but just wanted something a bit more special, something that had that "X" factor. As you know with your RS3, it has that added ingredient that makes it an occasion to go out.
As for car insurance, the RSQ3 is £200 a year cheaper...wish I could say the same for the fuel though, its rarely into the 20's:crying:
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I know, I know, stop looking at the mpg, just enjoy... :racer:

The fact I find the SQ5 a bit more of a chuckable 'tank' is what I find most entertaining!! :thumbs up:

When I want to go all 'athletic' and 'act' all young and stupid - while I can still remember how to 'act all young and stupid' - then I'll use the RS3, period, and for sure love it from the get go... :yahoo:
 
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As for car insurance, the RSQ3 is £200 a year cheaper...wish I could say the same for the fuel though, its rarely into the 20's:crying:
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My new quotes (fully comp, protected NCB, Legal, Courtesy car, etc) with AIB: £319 for the SQ5, £239 for the RS3, and 218 for the TT - that'll do us for 12-months... :racer:

 
I was paying more for the SQ5 than you do for all 3!
 
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-Ju- said:
I was paying more for the SQ5 than you do for all 3!
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you reckless young person you... :racer:

Us old uns, hey
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Mind, I'd swap you triple the insurance for 25-years...
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cosmicblue said:
Don't do the JLR thing - it's easy to be suckered by the fabulous marketing and gorgeous looks. When you own an Audi one takes it for granted that the vehicle completes its journey through R&D before it's released for sale so one rarely visits the dealer between services.

Buy a JLR product and there will always be some something squeaking/rattling or not working. Just spend a bit of time on the Landrover forums. I had a Range Rover 6 months, JLR bought it back - I got to know the local dealer's service department (Guy Salmon - Stratford upon Avon) on 1st name terms. Had a brand new RR Sport loaner...tailgate would open by itself driving down the road and the instrument panel would go black...."Yeah they do that sir".
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Good points and that was the big "BUT" in my thought process. JLR have terrible reliability issues from what i've understood but i'm always a bit apprehensive of some reviews that people get a stigma about something and the never let it drop (A bit like the whole Audi/BMW drivers being a certain type of person). After all there are still ALOT of JLR on the road and people still take them every 3-4 years so they can't be that bad however i was approaching the decision cautiously.

I think my primary regret was not getting air suspension, i got my SQ5 2nd hand and the choices we're pretty lackluster in my local 50 mile range. I actually went in looking at a Q7 Black Edition but came out with an SQ5. I'm a sucker of a tasty sounding engine!

I do agree that Audi's just generally have amazing build quality and timeless looks. I still really love the 4M (2015 onwards) pre facelift look of the Q7. I know most people find it dull and uninteresting but there's just something about it that i love.
 
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It has Ju, it has
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: and these 9J Rotor rims with Continental winter rubber are a 'ride' revelation!

Summer 9J Rotor rims off to refurb in the morning, depending on what Boris says later of course...

PS: a 20-mile hospital run last Monday on 6-inches plus of fresh, fresh snow took 5-minutes longer than it does usually on dry tarmac: don't ya just love an SQ5 on winter rubber on fresh, fresh snow
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Looking awesome! I paid out a sick amount of money to replace all 4 of my 21"s on the SQ5 after discovering that i couldn't get winter or even cross climates in that size and didn't have a 19" rim set spare. I'll probably need to pick some up as out here in the country, the gritters tend to maybe do the A roads at best and the rest is a free for all.

Given my parents are living in a remote village and i need to sometimes support them it was one of the driving factors for moving from the 330D to a more 'practical' car!
 
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Looking awesome! I paid out a sick amount of money to replace all 4 of my 21"s on the SQ5 after discovering that i couldn't get winter or even cross climates in that size and didn't have a 19" rim set spare. I'll probably need to pick some up as out here in the country, the gritters tend to maybe do the A roads at best and the rest is a free for all.

Given my parents are living in a remote village and i need to sometimes support them it was one of the driving factors for moving from the 330D to a more 'practical' car!
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I've a set of genuine AUDI recommended 20-inch winter wheel and tyres for the Q5/SQ5

I used them last year and were just brilliant - and comfortable!

OK, so I like rotors and had not 'AJ' here on ASN a set for sale a few weeks back then these would be on my/our SQ5 now:

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SQ5 values, to get back on thread, who knows.... my 2017 (67) SQ5 had a GFV of just over £26k at 4 years and 40k miles. Beyond that they are quite rare but also quite niche - and the nearest petrol competitor (X3M40i) isnt renowned for holding its value which sets the bench pretty low. I have no idea what will happen but I suspect dealers use an out of date model to beat prices down and not boost them up.

RRS is a great option, near neighbour has just swapped a 3.0 diesel for an SVR so clearly there is something about them that gets under the skin regardless of reliability issues.... Too big for me and frankly, I'd never take a car of that value off road or green laning.

I moved from the SQ5 to non SUVs as frankly if the roads are that bad I stay home! But I still got AWD to stop me going off into a hedge backwards!
 
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SQ5 values, to get back on thread, who knows.... my 2017 (67) SQ5 had a GFV of just over £26k at 4 years and 40k miles. Beyond that they are quite rare but also quite niche - and the nearest petrol competitor (X3M40i) isnt renowned for holding its value which sets the bench pretty low. I have no idea what will happen but I suspect dealers use an out of date model to beat prices down and not boost them up.

RRS is a great option, near neighbour has just swapped a 3.0 diesel for an SVR so clearly there is something about them that gets under the skin regardless of reliability issues.... Too big for me and frankly, I'd never take a car of that value off road or green laning.

I moved from the SQ5 to non SUVs as frankly if the roads are that bad I stay home! But I still got AWD to stop me going off into a hedge backwards!
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That's one hell of a jump from 3.0D to SVR! I was looking along the lines of the SDV6 or the p400e petrol so i can at least get more than my current average of 23-25mpg but not lose too much 'oomph'.

Agree with the value, i wouldn't be taking it 'extreme' offroading like they do at the JLR experience track but more on the 'wet and muddy' front. I don't purposely want to go out in terrible weather to put myself and others at risk, it's just the case that where i live it doens't take much to put most non-SUV cars in a twitchy bum situation and even in the SQ5 i had a hairy moment of wading well over the advised water depth but my parents needed the shopping i had in the boot! COVID hasn't made it easier either as they are both shielding.
 
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That's one hell of a jump from 3.0D to SVR! I was looking along the lines of the SDV6 or the p400e petrol so i can at least get more than my current average of 23-25mpg but not lose too much 'oomph'.
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23-25mpg average?

Here's my 2016 326bhp 650Nm SQ5 diesel mpg split, and I 'enjoy' the performance... :racer:

MPG split
 
Its all to do with how you use them too, my petrol SQ5 average over 30mpg over the 22k miles I owned it - but much of my motoring was longer journeys.

The RS4 will do over 30 on a run too, although collecting my son (which means a 2.5 hour round trip to do 60 miles in total, about 14 miles of which is central London) results in a number barely over 20.... Still worth it though ;)

My M5 on the other hand always struggled to break 23 no matter how gentle I was! And teens was easy...
 
AllanG said:
Impressive fuel consumption figures.....but it’s still a stinky, clattery old diesel lol!!!
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But these stinky, clattery old diesels paid for my house, and cars, etc; lol

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Just a wee marine generating set back in 1985

PS: our RS3 is 25mpg and our TT 30mpg - both from new and all driven in the same spirited fashion. And we do much prefer the stinky, clattery old SQ5 diesel :racer:

Each to their own, what suits one for sure don't suit all
 
Yep, that is a wee marine gen set, and nothing compared with the huge ‘cathedral’ 2-stroke marine engines I was responsible for during my 19 year career as a Merchant Navy marine engineer officer......and, like you @45bvtc, they helped pay for my house, cars and a very nice life....which I’m thoroughly enjoying in my retirement
 
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Yep, that is a wee marine gen set, and nothing compared with the huge ‘cathedral’ 2-stroke marine engines I was responsible for during my 19 year career as a Merchant Navy marine engineer officer......and, like you @45bvtc, they helped pay for my house, cars and a very nice life....which I’m thoroughly enjoying in my retirement
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Respect!

I ended up with these Allan, twin rotor Wankel (AvGas):

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and man did they rattle idle - but buzz like a noisy bee on a mission...
 
45bvtc said:
Wow!
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23-25mpg average?

Here's my 2016 326bhp 650Nm SQ5 diesel mpg split, and I 'enjoy' the performance... :racer:

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Jeeez.....you've got way too much time on your hands John.
Just put the fuel in and don't worry about the cost of running your noisy old oil burner:footy:
 
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Jeeez.....you've got way too much time on your hands John.
Just put the fuel in and don't worry about the cost of running your noisy old oil burner:footy:
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I can give you chapter and verse on ALL my cars back to the late 60's, Ju - and yes I do 'now' have "way too much time on your hands"
 
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I can give you chapter and verse on ALL my cars back to the late 60's, Ju - and yes I do 'now' have "way too much time on your hands"
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I think I'd cry if I actually worked out what mine is but who gives a monkeys, smiles per miles is king

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Meh, I’ll stick to my petrol SQ5. Engine is loosening up, after three years, and regularly returning +35mpg on a decent motorway run.

Always Shell V-Power. Definitely get more mpg from it than regular.
 
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Meh, I’ll stick to my petrol SQ5. Engine is loosening up, after three years, and regularly returning +35mpg on a decent motorway run.

Always Shell V-Power. Definitely get more mpg from it than regular.
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Just out of interest, what is your long term average? I think mine was at just under 30mpg when I traded it at 22k miles...

Another Magic listener, clearly the target market is Audi drivers!
 
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Just out of interest, what is your long term average? I think mine was at just under 30mpg when I traded it at 22k miles...

Another Magic listener, clearly the target market is Audi drivers!
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Ha! It was only over Christmas for their Seasonal Tunes. Back on Radio 6 now.

I'll check the long term average next time i use it, but suspect it's probably pretty similar to yours. Since March last year its sadly mostly been used for short trips to the supermarket which isn't great for the MPG.
 
A motorway, lol, what's that? I don't get to see one of then or neither a duel-carriageway!

'B' roads and 12-miles one way runs with a 2-hour (hospital) wait before returning is as good as it gets for me and mine/ours.

Lowest return mpg was '17' but that day someone in a 'racy' Ford was really pi**ing me off trying to 'smooch' with my de-badged rear-end!

Ok, I did once (SQ5 diesel) get a steady 52mpg, 200-mile (M6) run to The Christie (Manchester) but I had a poorly patient alongside.

Maybe time to go try a petrol SQ5 again and get over the last 'times' I exercised one or two and came back thinking a biturbo SQ5 TDi does way more :racer:

Maybe AUDI have realised this also, for now...

PS: if Stafford County and Royal Stoke hospital car parking bays were bigger we'd have an AUDI S8 with carbon ceramics, period!!!
 
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Dan_G said:
Ha! It was only over Christmas for their Seasonal Tunes. Back on Radio 6 now.

I'll check the long term average next time i use it, but suspect it's probably pretty similar to yours. Since March last year its sadly mostly been used for short trips to the supermarket which isn't great for the MPG.
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whereas I turned it off and went to Union Jack when it was all xmas tunes from November....

Yep, I could manage low teens on a cold 2 mile shop run... the RS4 is no better so use the Mini for that sort of journey normally!
 
45bvtc said:
A motorway, lol, what's that? I don't get to see one of then or neither a duel-carriageway!

'B' roads and 12-miles one way runs with a 2-hour (hospital) wait before returning is as good as it gets for me and mine/ours.

Lowest return mpg was '17' but that day someone in a 'racy' Ford was really pi**ing me off trying to 'smooch' with my de-badged rear-end!

Ok, I did once (SQ5 diesel) get a steady 52mpg, 200-mile (M6) run to The Christie (Manchester) but I had a poorly patient alongside.

Maybe time to go try a petrol SQ5 again and get over the last 'times' I exercised one or two and came back thinking a biturbo SQ5 TDi does way more :racer:

Maybe AUDI have realised this also, for now...

PS: if Stafford County and Royal Stoke hospital car parking bays were bigger we'd have an AUDI S8 with carbon ceramics, period!!!
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Like you say its horses for courses. I spent most of my commuting years in a diesel - from a 1993 Pug 405 estate through all sorts of variations including BMW 330d and Audi A6 3.0, with a couple of 5 pots throw in (inc a 20v Alfa) but when my mileage dropped from 25 to 35k per year to less than 10k per year, there was no way I wasnt having a multi cylinder petrol whilst I could.... so 3.0 V6, 40 V8, 2.9 V6 followed..... how much I spend on fuel is irrelevant compared to the depreciation! And the noise noise as I use the red line at 6k plus is lovely....

But that's my course determining my horse and I see why others are different!
 
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Like you say its horses for courses. I spent most of my commuting years in a diesel - from a 1993 Pug 405 estate through all sorts of variations including BMW 330d and Audi A6 3.0, with a couple of 5 pots throw in (inc a 20v Alfa) but when my mileage dropped from 25 to 35k per year to less than 10k per year, there was no way I wasnt having a multi cylinder petrol whilst I could.... so 3.0 V6, 40 V8, 2.9 V6 followed..... how much I spend on fuel is irrelevant compared to the depreciation! And the noise noise as I use the red line at 6k plus is lovely....

But that's my course determining my horse and I see why others are different!
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I agree, once I buy a car (not rent please note) I no longer care about the cost of whatever and that includes fuel, wheels, tyres, etc. I do what I need to gain full enjoyment of the machine at hand. Data, however, as a technical engineer for such, is why I maintain documentation - tis an interest of mine, lol. Like to have had a play with some of your machines, isleaiw, and ain't that what's enjoyable about different cars.

My S3 sold a couple of years back with all of this and more:

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I rent mine (in the same way as I rent a house by paying a mortgage!) but mainly because I can earn more from the cash in its investments than Audi charge me in interest, and I also benefit from the GFV (£35k at 4 years / 32k miles for the RS4!)

I try not to look at how much I am spending, its a hobby and for my sins I put as much into my investments as I pay for my car each month so the more expensive it is, the more I save!
 
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Good points and that was the big "BUT" in my thought process. JLR have terrible reliability issues from what i've understood but i'm always a bit apprehensive of some reviews that people get a stigma about something and the never let it drop (A bit like the whole Audi/BMW drivers being a certain type of person). After all there are still ALOT of JLR on the road and people still take them every 3-4 years so they can't be that bad however i was approaching the decision cautiously.

I think my primary regret was not getting air suspension, i got my SQ5 2nd hand and the choices we're pretty lackluster in my local 50 mile range. I actually went in looking at a Q7 Black Edition but came out with an SQ5. I'm a sucker of a tasty sounding engine!

I do agree that Audi's just generally have amazing build quality and timeless looks. I still really love the 4M (2015 onwards) pre facelift look of the Q7. I know most people find it dull and uninteresting but there's just something about it that i love.
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I know you said your BMW was a hard ride, so assume saloon/estate? You want to give the X3 M40i/M40d a go...I was looking to buy a SQ5 a couple years ago, but as the diesel was only offering tried a M40i...sold! Active suspension makes it a great ride even on the optional 21”s.
 
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