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If anything, definitely the later. Let’s just hope we don’t go into a recession!
Next Gen 2021 Audi A3 Sedan Debut
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They will keep the prices the same, and possibly actually increase them and massively reduce output and workforce. The profits are better that way, humans cost way too much and are expendable.
If they increased the price even more because of a recession, then it would be a massive own goal. Even less people to pull the trigger.
But car sales (at least here in the UK) are all based on finance. So if the finance world tightens it's belts, then interest rate will automatically rise.
I suppose it all depends just how many jobs will be lost through all the Coronavirus. As if jobs are lost, finance deals will be defaulted, resulting in less willingness to offer them. Bit like the 100% mortgages of 2007-2008.
But lets hope it doesn't come to all that.
But an S3 starting at £40k is too much. Add Vosprung spec, and you'll be looking close to £50k. As nice as the S3 is, it's not worth that much. Mid £30k, yes.
I think the core of people being affected by a possible recession won't be the ones who would be spending 50k on a car normally.
But yes, sadly finance has become the norm in the UK...never own it, merely rent it, like a subscription charge, however I still think they won't reduce prices, they will save more money reducing output and workforce than knocking a few grand off an overpriced car.
Appreciating asset, buy it.
Deppreciating asset, rent it.
I would seriously doubt most people buying brand new cars are walking in with 100% of the cash and buying it outright.
And if they are it would only make sense if they intend to keep the car for a very long time, PCP deals are designed for people intending to only keep the car for about 3 years.
I believe in keeping hold for a least a decent amount of time, it reduces a persons carbon footprint hugely.
The whole 'change a new car every three years' is a massive pollutant in its own right. Shocking practice really considering the state the planet...but alas we have built the culture on that with things we can't afford to buy, so renting is the new norm.
I can afford to buy if I wanted to.
And if you were so concerned with polluting the planet you would be driving something more environmentally friendly than an Audi with a Diesel engine.
You should buy, enjoy knowing you own something and take pride in that ownership, look after it and keep it for many years.
Not really. Everyone has to drive something, and this one is pretty much midrange for economy and pollutants. It's a good choice and one I'll probably keep for a good 6-10 years, which far outweighs its slightly higher than average pollutant output.
What I don't do is chop in a car every couple of years, my only recent change was to an auto due to health, and then sadly to a newer ULEZ car because of living in London - but this annoyed me as my 8P was pristine and would have lasted me 10 years+. The manufacturing and recycling of a vehicle for the 'desire' to have the 'new thing' every few years is outrageous considering the current climate.
But morals will always be subjective to some..
Ah, the discussion about PCP vs buying outright, when the people who buy outright think they are better than others! Been there, done that, got the t-shirt, retracted, felt stupid and now realise it means ****** all! I have done PCP recently, invested my money in other areas and am way better off for it compared to when I bought my A3 outright. The Swiss have taught me a lot about finances, positive debt is one of them. Much along the lines of @Chris4410 comments of: Appreciating asset, buy it. Depreciating asset, rent it.
The problem isn't PCP, it is people overstretching themselves.
The problem isn't PCP, it is people overstretching themselves.
Or try to do more to help the planet, and future generations, by not getting 'new things' when they are not needed...
It's the pompous attitude of people who presume individuals who choose to use PCP can't afford the car, really get on my nerves.
You should get a bike if you're that concerned with pollution, driving a quattro, Stronic diesel Audi regardless of how long you keep is not "green"
Your 10 year old diesel will also be more polluting than newer cars, as technology and regulations change to drastically reduce the emissions and pollution of new cars.
I think the question is how much polution is produced in the manufacture of a new environmentally vehicle, and how many years it would take to warrant changing an older vehicle on purely environmental grounds.
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I am all for looking after the environment (let's start with not buying a Q7 or Range Rover to take Quentin or Barnaby to school through congested city streets) but keeping a car for 3 years is not the end, it will go onto another owner.
Think its called "interests" mate! some like to talk about finances... others like to talk about "voodoo blue"!!
A flat-bottomed steering wheel is another thing that is over-rated.
Got one in my ST, don't see any advantage to them at all.
I certainly would not pay extra for one.
Just my opinion!
Got one in my ST, don't see any advantage to them at all.
I certainly would not pay extra for one.
Just my opinion!
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I actually agree with your comment, but this was a big selling point for Audi. Just very surprised it is not being offered.
Someone further up the thread changed this into a financial and/or ethical issue based on people changing their car every 3 years, when they don't need to apparently.
Is the massive glossy black area left of the steering wheel just a whole part for the light switches? Contains nothing else?
So named flat bottom steering wheel is designed to make getting in and out a car easier
Fiesta steering wheel is massive...ergo no point making it slightly flat bottomed
Think its called "interests" mate! some like to talk about finances... others like to talk about "voodoo blue"!!
Finances....never speak about my own financial situation..try it out ....car forum wink .....
Sorry, but do you know more about my financial situation than I do about yours? IMHO a car forum is about all areas of car ownership so if someone can give me some advice on the best way financially to buy the new A3 then I'm all ears. Ok, it doesn't have to be on this part of the forum or thread but then this is a general thread about the new A3, including pricing, and I'm sure it will turn in to more PCP vs finance deals chat soon when those figures are released. I think it all changes when someone thinks they are better than someone else and start to opinionise others actions. That is a no no!
Anyway, flat bottomed steering wheel, love mine, would defo spec it if i had to and isn't in the S-Line pack.
Nail on the head
My last 2 cars have both been PCP, I sold the 4 year pcp S3 after 2.5 years with just under 18,000 miles on the clock and I was up by a few hundred pound after paying off what was owed to Audi finance.
With this current 36 month PCP A5, I'm only on 7,900 mile after 2.5 years! (I said it would do 8,000 per year), yet the px price today is what will still be owed on the car in September after the last payment...so I've had the win on this, as Audi will be hit with the loss not me
However, my next car I intend to buy outright as 1) My mileage has more than halved since owning the S3, 2) I'm downsizing to around £21k and 3) I intend to keep it for at least five years. Even after five years it will only have around 16,000 mile on it...so it will still be a good low mileage car for someone.
But going back to the leasing side and changing every 3 years....yes it makes sense. I saw a deal on a VW T-Roc R which included full maintenance, tyres, servicing and road tax. Total cost including upfront payment worked out at roughly £13,500 over the 3 years, you'd probably find the car on its own would depreciate that much if you bought it outright!
Nail on the head
My last 2 cars have both been PCP, I sold the 4 year pcp S3 after 2.5 years with just under 18,000 miles on the clock and I was up by a few hundred pound after paying off what was owed to Audi finance.
With this current 36 month PCP A5, I'm only on 7,900 mile after 2.5 years! (I said it would do 8,000 per year), yet the px price today is what will still be owed on the car in September after the last payment...so I've had the win on this, as Audi will be hit with the loss not me
However, my next car I intend to buy outright as 1) My mileage has more than halved since owning the S3, 2) I'm downsizing to around £21k and 3) I intend to keep it for at least five years. Even after five years it will only have around 16,000 mile on it...so it will still be a good low mileage car for someone.
But going back to the leasing side and changing every 3 years....yes it makes sense. I saw a deal on a VW T-Roc R which included full maintenance, tyres, servicing and road tax. Total cost including upfront payment worked out at roughly £13,500 over the 3 years, you'd probably find the car on its own would depreciate that much if you bought it outright!
I'm actually considering buying next time myself, but this is because I am considering a 718 that will be purely a weekend and road trip car. I will lease something basic for commuting and shopping etc.
Up to now I have been buying something inbetween such as the S3 and the GTI which has been my sole car, I want to move away from this now.
This is one of those statements that has no actual thought put into. Angry ' I WANT MY TOYS' kinda expression.
Because it takes money to buy an A3 Saloon? thus a recession, generally causes a lack of money to most.)? Maybe that is the link? It's called an evolution of conversation. However, I agree, those spending 50k on a car will probably be alright come a recession.
Yep.......****** waste of space IMHO....in fact the whole dash looks ****** awful IMHO......think Audi have got it seriously wrong with the new A3 dash.
I find a Vorsprung Edition quite an attractive proposition not with 150 BHP but say 190...loads of folks including myself like a lot of options so l can see a big attraction to this specific model...as l have said before the Edition 1 models are in no mans land
I think the first edition has the balance of options and price. But as is usual with the Audi configurator and new models we need to give it a while to be convinced every option and pricing is correct. To be honest I don't see them bringing out too many 2.0l engine options..
I might be wrong, but was the Q2 the 1st model running #1 Editions? My Q2 is #1 Edition and the value is holding waaaaaay more than a normal Q2. Should be a good marker against A3 future values. Worth researching the A1 #1 Edition prices too actually just for comparison.
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It seems to be. It seems most manufacturers are going down the button route, but the remaining area is a lot to cover with panic black and not a lot else going on. I’d still happily buy one based on what I’ve seen so far!
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That’s odd. Just checked and it also comes with the Edition 1 model. I wander if it’s a mistake on the options list with the Vorsprung Edition?
Then, very similar to I'm an environmentalist concerned with pollution, who drives a diesel powered Audi.
If the Vorsprung is just over £40k that would make the S3 out of my price range. Considering my 2017 S3 was £39,925, £40,455 is eyewateringly expensive.
