PD130 Oil Capacity?

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Hi Everyone,

I’ve just done the second oil change on my PD130, last time I got about 3.5 litres out and this time just shy of that.

Looking online it’s expected to have to put close on 4.5 litres in? I’ve no idea why I’m getting so little out? The car is up on service ramps because I’m doing it myself and I don’t have a lift, surely a lot of people do this without issue?

The sump plug is at the back so the angle of the engine is tilted towards the sump plug.

Any advice welcomed, can see me doing this change again now....

Regards,

Matt.

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

Are you removing the oil filter first?
The filter housing holds about half a litre.
Wondered if you were draining it then changing the filter as you then wouldn’t be getting what’s held up there.
Just an idea.

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
Are you removing the oil filter first?
The filter housing holds about half a litre.
Wondered if you were draining it then changing the filter as you then wouldn’t be getting what’s held up there.
Just an idea.

I cracked the filter off first because I’ve had to buy the tool for it, wanted to make sure it was right before I dropped the oil. Removed the filler cap and it spent about 15 minutes draining (most of that just a dribble).

I haven’t filled it back up yet, so I be jacked up the rear as much as I can and it’s as good as level. Took the sump plug out, I've probably had about 100ml more but that’s likely due to the oil settling anyway.

Obviously I can’t account for what the filter holds, so I’m just going to fill it back up now and see what it takes.

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

Usually they take 4.5 litres
From memory I thought the filter housing had a stem with an oring on which stopped the filter draining back to the sump.
So usually removed and change the filter first then drop the oil.
Be interesting to see how much it takes to refill.

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
Usually they take 4.5 litres
From memory I thought the filter housing had a stem with an oring on which stopped the filter draining back to the sump.
So usually removed and change the filter first then drop the oil.
Be interesting to see how much it takes to refill.

Your memory serves you right, there is a sealed stem.

Filled it back up now, it’s taken about 3.7 litres :/ Not as far away as I initially thought but still under consider it had about half an hour drip draining in total.

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

AudiNutta said:
Your memory serves you right, there is a sealed stem.

Filled it back up now, it’s taken about 3.7 litres :/ Not as far away as I initially thought but still under consider it had about half an hour drip draining in total.

Just had a little check assumed it’s engine code ASZ for pd130 says capacity 4.0 litres filter 0.5 litres so as you say it should’ve taken 4.5 litres

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
Just had a little check assumed it’s engine code ASZ for pd130 says capacity 4.0 litres filter 0.5 litres so as you say it should’ve taken 4.5 litres

Engine code is AVF.

Not good then, any ideas where the rest of the oil could be? It’s an odd one.

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

In that case it only holds 3.7 litres

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
In that case it only holds 3.7 litres

Oh, well then... thanks very much! Is that 3.7 plus the 0.5 in the filter or including?

Glad I don’t have a mysterious collection of oil now

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

AudiNutta said:
Oh, well then... thanks very much! Is that 3.7 plus the 0.5 in the filter or including?

Glad I don’t have a mysterious collection of oil now

It doesn’t actually specify.
It shows capacity 3.7 and shows filter beside it 0.5
I can only assume 3.7 includes the filter which would match up with your findings.

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
It doesn’t actually specify.
It shows capacity 3.7 and shows filter beside it 0.5
I can only assume 3.7 includes the filter which would match up with your findings.

It would, either way I’m happier with that now because I know you will never get it all out. After the half hour draining it had just about stopped, was as good as empty as I could get it.

Appreciate all your help :salute:

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

AudiNutta said:
It would, either way I’m happier with that now because I know you will never get it all out. After the half hour draining it had just about stopped, was as good as empty as I could get it.

Appreciate all your help

No problem.
Did you have an RS3? Or still got one?

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
No problem.
Did you have an RS3? Or still got one?

Still got the RS, the A4 is a daily runner. I don’t plan on getting rid of the RS at any point so took the decision to relieve some of my 15k a year off of it.

It’s good having the A4, I used to jump in and out of parents and the girlfriends car going certain places if I didn’t want to take the RS. Can go to a supermarket without being on pins to get back out

Learning a lot from working on the A4, buying the right tools instead of paying people to do jobs I wouldn’t normally tackle. The RS still goes to Audi / Indy though.

I’ve always loved the older generation of Audi’s, they will always have a place in my heart. It’s a solid car, 215k on the clock now and it drives impeccably and has less interior rattles than I get in the RS on a bad day.. not bad for a 15-year old car. The B7 is my personal favourite but I don’t think I can move away from the reliability of the PD to the chocolate 2.0TDi’s :-( Would be silly to I think.

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Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

The pd130 is one of the best engines they ever produced.
Bomb proof if maintained correctly using the correct oil

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
The pd130 is one of the best engines they ever produced.
Bomb proof if maintained correctly using the correct oil

The 115 1.9 in the B7 is too underpowered, driven one and it just doesn’t cut it for me.. the 130 does the job perfectly. I read online that the 130 is more than just a turbo upgrade and the internals are different also?

Well this is the thing, I don’t know for sure what oil it’s run with before. The car has mostly Audi history up as far as 200k, few random garages dotted between. According to the invoices, Audi have been using both 5W30 and 5W40 and more commonly 5W30

I did a bit of research and went with what I believe is a “PD oil” and that’s the 502.00/505.00 5W40.

Hopefully the 5W30 hasn’t done it too much harm in its life on Longlife servicing :/ Now I have it, it’s having a change every 5k. Only £20 for 5L of oil and filter from TPS this time, it’s an absolute no brainer.

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

5w40 is the best oil for them, if the previous oil had done any lasting damage you’d be hearing the cam chattering by now.

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
5w40 is the best oil for them, if the previous oil had done any lasting damage you’d be hearing the cam chattering by now.

That’s good then, glad I researched it. The engine runs really well, can’t fault the drive so fingers crossed it will be ok.

What is different about a PD engine and the specific oil? Need to research that really.

Marshy · Jan 13, 2020

AudiNutta said:
That’s good then, glad I researched it. The engine runs really well, can’t fault the drive so fingers crossed it will be ok.

What is different about a PD engine and the specific oil? Need to research that really.

Basically a PD pump deuce engine has injectors with their own plunger pump on them which runs on the camshaft.
The camshaft on a pd really works hard and requires the proper oil to keep it from wearing.
What’s different in the oil I’m not sure but I’ve seen and heard a few that’s not had the correct oil in and oh you can tell.

AudiNutta · Jan 13, 2020

Marshy said:
Basically a PD pump deuce engine has injectors with their own plunger pump on them which runs on the camshaft.
The camshaft on a pd really works hard and requires the proper oil to keep it from wearing.
What’s different in the oil I’m not sure but I’ve seen and heard a few that’s not had the correct oil in and oh you can tell.

I see, yes the camshaft would be worked hard in that case and I get why the oil would be critical.

Thanks again for the educating :icon thumright:

Gazwould · Jan 13, 2020

Almost..

Small amount of room for the inlet and exhaust cam lobes as space is taken up by the 4 unit injector lobes , this means the others are narrower than they should be .

Narrow means less surface area and that's means high loadings to the cams profile and bucket tappets .

A top antiwear oil is required otherwise it's goosed .

The very BEST VW oil spec for anti wear is 5W30 507.00 , plus it contains more detergents and dispersants in the additive package to deal with soot etc because it's a LongLife oil .

That's more polar heads with hydrocarbon tails !

Do not let anyone tell you any different !

Best way to service these too is by extractor , you then get to suck out 300ml+ in the oil cooler directly below the oil filter housing .

I sump drained mine once , stuck a magnetic sump plug in and that's the last I saw of it .

The extra used black oil out combined with egr disabled and it's never discoloured between changes .

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