Facelift In for an RS3 , but what brakes...

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Hello everbody,

Iam in for an 2017 RS3 facelift,
I will go for Stage 2+ with a blend of E85 combined to 98 ron its a germany race fuel 102
so i hope 575 hp and 720nm
I read a lot about brakes,
Don't do trackdays , but iam very hard on the brakes.
No i have a golf 7 R with 480 HP 600 NM, with TTS 4 pot calipers
and clubsport S disks and they are not really over powered.
So i was looking for the ceramic option on the RS3
is the ceramic option , way better than the new FL steel 8 pot brakes ??

 

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I'm no expert but I've heard if you're hard on the brakes (IE, track day hard) it's quite easy to ruin carbon ceramic brakes. Don't get me wrong, apparently they're good but if you overheat them, they fail quite quickly.

If it were me, I'd stick with the standard calipers that come with the steel brakes and replace the discs and pads with something better. Something like Alcon discs with DS2500 pads but I'm sure the people who have done an upgrade will chime in soon.

 

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Bas, I assume you are the one from the Netherlands(GolfGTIforum??) judging from your forum-name
The ceramics are excellent brakes, they can handle a lot of abuse, getting them to overheat is really hard to do, but like Gnasher said: if you do damage one of the rotors, then it is expensive(i still have the 380mm 6-piston ceramic brake kit for sale!) as 1 brake disc is over 4000 euros to replace!

 

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Reyland discs and DS2500 pads here.

Far better than oem set-up.

To avoid squeal give em hell on the bedding in, more hell then the Ferodo procedure suggests too

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Vagbremtechnic have a very good range of uprated brake systems available.A ceramic setup won't stop you any quicker than a comparable size steel setup on the first stop if the brakes aren't hot. In tests some OE ceramic setups actually don't work as well as the steel setups on an emergency stop when the brakes aren't already warm. Ceramic brakes of course will take a lot more heat before they fade. But if you get them to that point they can be damaged and of course they are expensive to fix.
https://www.vagbremtechnic.com/vw/golf-mk7-5g-2014-onwards/

 

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But thats why cars OEM equipped with ceramic brakes have a different ABS-unit setting, causing the brakes to occasionally press the pads to the discs, to warm them up and keep the moist away

 

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Bluepower said:

But thats why cars OEM equipped with ceramic brakes have a different ABS-unit setting, causing the brakes to occasionally press the pads to the discs, to warm them up and keep the moist away

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Is this a VCDS setup you can code inn/out depending on what you want to have installed into the car?

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Is this a VCDS setup you can code inn/out depending on what you want to have installed into the car?

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Yes, but that does not work on every ABS unit(as it is a factory option on some models, they have a different ABS-module, I believe)

 

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Bluepower said:

Yes, but that does not work on every ABS unit(as it is a factory option on some models, they have a different ABS-module, I believe)

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All RS3's have the Brake 'wipe' function coded into the ABS module, It's designed to clear any moisture off the disc face, there's an adaptation for it in 03 ABS module.

 

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T-800 said:

All RS3's have the Brake 'wipe' function coded into the ABS module, It's designed to clear any moisture off the disc face, there's an adaptation for it in 03 ABS module.

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Yes, the RS3/TTRS/R8/RS4/5 etc, all cars that had the option to order with ceramic brakes, has this ABS-module... but for example a Golf mk5, does not(and most likely can't be coded too)

 

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Why the hell die Audi do that,
Thats 100 % The braking problem