I heard from a reliable source that carwow have done some testing between Pre OPF/OPF FL models. I'd rather not mention their findings on here but it didn't go how they expected it to!
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So I guess the majority are expecting the poor 0-60 time of 4.2 seconds for the OPF model (which has been proven on here was a very bad run as it can easily achieve sub 4 seconds) and surely CarWow were also expecting the OPF model to be slower based on their previous test, so unless somehow the pre OPF model made a very bad run then I’d be surprised if the result was unexpected??
As an OPF owner myself I do believe the performance around launch may be marginally affected but not at the lengths that have been seen on recent YouTube videos and also expecting the pre OPF to be quicker if any ‘fair’ tests do materialise of this nature.
Fair play whatever happens but if the pre OPF model turns out quicker than the new A45s then a massive feather in its cap for that and not so great for the new ‘king’ of hot hatches.
0-60 mph and o-100 kms often get interchanged, incorrectly.
o-100 kph = o-62 mph, so you need to add around 0.2 -0.3 sec to your 0-60mph times to have the equivalent kph. Times
so the 3.8 sec Dragy times Of 0-60 mph would equate to 4.1-4.2 sec 0-100kph, which is reasonably close to the time in the video and other tests.
o-100 kph = o-62 mph, so you need to add around 0.2 -0.3 sec to your 0-60mph times to have the equivalent kph. Times
so the 3.8 sec Dragy times Of 0-60 mph would equate to 4.1-4.2 sec 0-100kph, which is reasonably close to the time in the video and other tests.
It’s a gasoline particle filter that has been fitted to newer gasoline vehicles to comply with emission regulations.
You could compare it with a DPF filter that where fitted to diesel vehicles a few years back for the very same thing
You could compare it with a DPF filter that where fitted to diesel vehicles a few years back for the very same thing
I was behind a CLA35 today...sorry, but not a nice looking car IMO. Was behind him coming off the slip road on to the Edinburgh Bypass and he floors it. Didn’t entertain him given its performance is comparable to that of an R, I had put the window down to listen to it...dreadful. Truly awful....jog on sunshine. If it had been an A45s that would have been a different story, Id have dropped it in to sport lol
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Another great result @******** but yeah I guess they’ll still be the negative comments coming!
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Ouch! Thankfully I have FL pre OPF
That A45s launches hard!!!!! Still not sold on it but I will sure as sh*t be test driving one when it hits the show room. Seems an almighty motor and the reviews for its handling seem sublime also. Hurry up 2021 RS3
Chris Harris really didn't like how the A45s handled.
"A45S. Most disappointing modern AMG I’ve driven. Understeers on the way in, with fake ‘drift mode’ oversteer on exit. So it’s never neutral. Brakes lasted half a lap. Ride choppy on the road with severe tyre noise. Built to please influencers on a launch event, which I gather it did."
Oh no, you just peed on the chips of the moonboot brigade! I give you a like.
Love all the talk of improving your launch technique, too. It's all software!
Haha I know just classic Brent had to be shared.Wasn’t showing off though...he was, but thanks for your opinion
That's a very impressive time regardless of opf! All I know is that the carwow review when the facelift first came out around 2017 (the carwow review), the 0 to 60 was an easy 3.7. Maybe I'm blinded by all the press work with the a45s. They probably ran 95 in that rs3 vs m2 vs a45s video. Is nowhere optimum. On decent fuel u could be running between 410 and 415 bhp...
Said it before and I’ll say again, it’s clear carwow push certain cars more than others, seeing as they will be on a % commission or even have quotas on what they need to sell...
(If you don’t believe me, watch comparison videos vs individual review videos, the bias sometimes is beyond a joke
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Check your Dragy, I think it should also have the 0-100kph results stored for your runs, you will see the difference, it’s typically around .2 sec
I don’t think there is any hate from pre OPF owners, certainly not from me. It just forum banter and people trying to rationalise the difference in the the results that are popping up.
I don’t doubt that there will be some bias in the reporting. The journos / testers are usually well rewarded for their reviews and any release for a new model like the A45s will be scrutinised and controlled by Mercedes PR function.
There will always be some variations in results due to environment, drivers etc. however the performance of a car should be reasonably repeatable for the average driver. We just have to wait to see more Data to know if this is a trend.
Wait... so you're saying Youtube bloggers get paid to promote the things they are reviewing and that might cause some bias? Next you'll be telling us they aren't professional drivers and don't bother checking their results are consistent! Surely not?
Sadly, what’s obvious to us, isn’t even a thought it some people’s brains lol
So you are still getting alot of spin there in 1/2 which I presume reflected in the 0-60, I think you'll see 11.9@116 when it all hooks up.
But most encouraging is a that 1.79s 60', the car has got off the marks quicker on that run than any '19 models I have seen, you must have felt that jump off the line like a scalded cat. My car in stock form was 1.75-1.80, it required PS4S to drop into 1.6s.
Any 100-200 times, if you flip the Unit to metric? As per slowracer - it will automatically record those as well.
(On the 0-100 vs 0-60 front, about 0.15-0.20s stock, once mapped you are traction limited through 2nd gear as well so it narrows to ~0.1s)
Quite, hate is a strong word! Maybe a bit of distain at the idea cars are being diluted a little. But as OPF cars are being run in and repeatedly launched the data here is already converging with the typical runs of stock non-OPF cars, which is good to see.
Looking back through my first dragy data on the TTRS it took me 5-6 launches to get a 3.4s, mostly high 3s, eventually I was running 3.2-3.3s consistently. Point is there was improvement as me and the car "bedded in" over the first few thousand miles.
Snap. I was driving a 170bhp 2051.9gti about 25 years ago, I wouldve laughed too as my 205 gti was fast at the time, 5.72secs to 60 and off the 140mph clock, think it could do nearer 150mph and smashed Audi quattros, annihilated Audi TT 225. 225bhp plus was supercar territory at the time, plus the Sierra Cossie. If someone said I’d be driving a 300bhp s3:let alone a 400bhp rs3 I would’ve laughed.
Saw a post on Infinit Performances insta of an OPF RS3, 397bhp on the dyno, my FL non OPF made 415 standard. Also only made 456 bhp after a stage 1 tune in comparison to my just over 480. No wonder it’s slower...
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Saw a post on Infinit Performances insta of an OPF RS3, 397bhp on the dyno, my FL non OPF made 415 standard. Also only made 456 bhp after a stage 1 tune in comparison to my just over 480. No wonder it’s slower...
Fraser, what you doing?! Danny boy will be after you and you’ll be black listed!
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I’m sure it’s been said before but if you’re going to tune an OPF car then you’d be likely to remove the OPF as part of this thus making the same power right?
I won’t be tuning mine so the OPF stays and absolutely happy with that and the power/performance it’s putting out.
Keep fishing boys
I won’t be tuning mine so the OPF stays and absolutely happy with that and the power/performance it’s putting out.
Keep fishing boys
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Yep, sounds like you actually enjoy the name calling though TX, you certainly go out of your way to call for itName calling in 3 2 1 ...
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I for one enjoy the debate on cars including the whole pre OPF/OPF and am interested in hearing the feedback of both sets of owners.
I think enough evidence has been provided that the OPF cars aren’t as heavily impacted by the change as was first insinuated but it’s funny how fellow RS3 drivers get so precious or enjoy the willy waving contest on what are both fantastic cars and everyone has their own taste. I was put off by the pre OPF cars sound and actually only decided to buy one once the OPF had tamed the noise...but I get why others like the louder noise and appreciate that.
If you’re happy with your pre OPF car then great but I’m sure like most you’ll have to trade it in at some point, what then?? Unless you’re happy driving round in an ‘older’ car or fortunate enough to not worry about the upkeep of an older car of this nature then most will probably come into contact with the new regulations regardless of which manufacturer you decide on.
Keep fishing boys and TX can keep fishing for insults which we all know he secretly enjoys so much
I mean if your in a pre FL your in the louder car, the FL the faster car but slightly quieter, and if your in the FL OPF your car is...ehhhhhh slower and even quieter
All jokes aside, all noticeable in the real world...not really no. End of the day, your in an RS3 and that’s all that matters
All jokes aside, all noticeable in the real world...not really no. End of the day, your in an RS3 and that’s all that matters
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Haha, in my opinion OPF newer and more grown up!I mean if your in a pre FL your in the louder car, the FL the faster car but slightly quieter, and if your in the FL OPF your car is...ehhhhhh slower and even quieter
All jokes aside, all noticeable in the real world...not really no. End of the day, your in an RS3 and that’s all that matters
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Lol my bad...getting taught a trick tonight, didn’t think emojis on the iPhone worked, thought you had to use the emojis above ha.
Have to be honest, I don't get the obsession by drag times..........for me massive mid range is far more appealing.
If its your thing buy a faster car
No doubt carwow has a bias.
If its your thing buy a faster car
No doubt carwow has a bias.
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No it’s not mine either but just interested in this whole debate and bashing the OPF cars for being slower.Have to be honest, I don't get the obsession by drag times..........for me massive mid range is far more appealing.
If its your thing buy a faster car
No doubt carwow has a bias.
From figures I’ve seen there’s no difference on the 100-200 times and maybe it’s just harder to launch but when done right it’s achieving the times of a pre OPF car and as low as 3.6 so not really slower at all.
Interesting to see the comparison without launch, I’m not a traffic light warrior but if you were are you really going to do a proper launch, no, at a drag strip yes.
Have to be honest, I don't get the obsession by drag times..........for me massive mid range is far more appealing.
If its your thing buy a faster car
No doubt carwow has a bias.
Mid range and good torque spread is what makes a car fun to drive in most conditions. This is where the RS3 will kill A45S.
With the power band in The a45 it will only impress in flat out driving which is what I rarely get to do where I live.
Have to be honest, I don't get the obsession by drag times..........for me massive mid range is far more appealing.
If its your thing buy a faster car
No doubt carwow has a bias.
Well said that man
To be honest, OPF + the idle rev limiting regulation is putting me off when thinking of my next car so if I do change the RS3, it would probably be for an older car. I got 4 cars in thought right now but I'll probably change in 2021 so no rush, just couldn't help myself thinking about it.
You can see it with car valuations a bit too. I was looking at the C63S and the 69 plate with less miles (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910283777407?) was cheaper than 68 plate (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201912024957828?). The Rs3's are selling for cheaper than what they were a year ago, I got my car in Jan and it was around 6 months old with 7k miles, now a similar spec car that is newer with less miles (69 plate with 900 miles) is on sale for less. Similar thing with the C63S, there are pre OPF cars on sale for higher prices even though they have higher mileage. (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910022876218?).
I've also gotten emails from Northampton Audi and they have quite big offers on the RS3 now, £5,500 deposit contribution on the RS3 Sportback and £4,500 on the RS3 Saloon. Not sure though if the PFL was getting discounts like this before it got discontinued. Autotrader thinks my car is a sport edition for some reason and I've noticed the P/X value has gone down recently after being quite stable.
You can see it with car valuations a bit too. I was looking at the C63S and the 69 plate with less miles (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910283777407?) was cheaper than 68 plate (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201912024957828?). The Rs3's are selling for cheaper than what they were a year ago, I got my car in Jan and it was around 6 months old with 7k miles, now a similar spec car that is newer with less miles (69 plate with 900 miles) is on sale for less. Similar thing with the C63S, there are pre OPF cars on sale for higher prices even though they have higher mileage. (https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201910022876218?).
I've also gotten emails from Northampton Audi and they have quite big offers on the RS3 now, £5,500 deposit contribution on the RS3 Sportback and £4,500 on the RS3 Saloon. Not sure though if the PFL was getting discounts like this before it got discontinued. Autotrader thinks my car is a sport edition for some reason and I've noticed the P/X value has gone down recently after being quite stable.
Dynos are a tuning tool, get a baseline, tweak, measure, repeat.
there is a great video floating around of a car on a dyno showing the results changing 20 or so hp each run ( same settings, ambient temps etc) but the operator was adjusting how hard the car was strapped down on the dyno.
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I want to see an independent test for the opf rs3 vs a45s from normal owners or a reviewer with only a few thousand subs and no bias
No doubt the rs3 in reality would kill it which looks really bad for the merc. I mean it's their brand new flagship hyper hatch and it's still slower than an rs3 nearing the end of its life cycle which is it's direct competitor!!!
I don't know the prices over in the UK but here downunder the old a45 was a good $15,000 cheaper than a fl rs3 so there was a reason some would pick it. But now the a35 is almost the same price new as the old a45 was?? And the a45s is pretty much identical to a new rs3.. cla45s is getting dangerously close to a preowned c63s as well which makes no sense but good luck to them. I'm sure some of the schmucks will buy it for the badge!
No doubt the rs3 in reality would kill it which looks really bad for the merc. I mean it's their brand new flagship hyper hatch and it's still slower than an rs3 nearing the end of its life cycle which is it's direct competitor!!!
I don't know the prices over in the UK but here downunder the old a45 was a good $15,000 cheaper than a fl rs3 so there was a reason some would pick it. But now the a35 is almost the same price new as the old a45 was?? And the a45s is pretty much identical to a new rs3.. cla45s is getting dangerously close to a preowned c63s as well which makes no sense but good luck to them. I'm sure some of the schmucks will buy it for the badge!
Enough with the name calling & winding other members up
Unless this thread stays on topic I will have no option but to lock it
Last & final warning on this people
TIA
Unless this thread stays on topic I will have no option but to lock it
Last & final warning on this people
TIA
There are so many factors to consider in this guys, you’re never going to know for sure... fuel, how the car is treated day to day and serviced, engine temps, intake temps... all we know is they’re pretty damn close. Now let’s let this be a close to the argument, Carwow have done the legwork for us. Like in this video below, what’s saying the pre-OPF car being dragged hasn’t spent 2 years of its life hitting the redline from cold and run on 95-ron.
We all drive an awesome car let that be an end to it, this is causing way too many arguments. Discuss by all means but as @Bristle Hound has pointed out, the thread has gone downhill.
We all drive an awesome car let that be an end to it, this is causing way too many arguments. Discuss by all means but as @Bristle Hound has pointed out, the thread has gone downhill.
