Does VW Group 10% No-Deal Brexit surcharge for UK buyers apply to Audi

Recent events have made me more worried that a jobs impacting No Deal Brexit might happen. At least the car industry keeps giving clear warnings on the impact. Hopefully this might focus minds and lead to more support for those MPs trying to prevent no deal. After all that was not was promised by the leave campaign.

The chief executive of Vauxhall-owner PSA says it could move all production from its Ellesmere Port factory if Brexit makes it unprofitable.

Vauxhall owner 'could move Astra production from UK' https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49146645
 
Here is an interesting analysis by the British Society of Motor Manufacturers. As reported by the Guardian.

Key points:

Investment in Britain’s car industry has effectively stopped amid fears over Brexit, with a “pitiful” £90m pledged for new developments in the first six months of this year, according to the industry body.

Before Brexit clouded the horizon, the automotive industry was investing between £2.5bn and £2.7bn a year in research and development.

The industry has been one of the most outspoken in the past year over Brexit, arguing a no-deal would kill the sector and more than 100,000 jobs in “a death by a thousand cuts”.

Full article: https://amp.theguardian.com/business/2019/jul/31/brexit-causes-uk-car-industry-investment-to-crash-to-pitiful-90m

I’m hoping that No deal does not happen, not to save those Porsche owners from the 10% price hike detailed in the original article but more to limit the job losses in the UK.

Sorry to be a Brexit bore but as someone who works in services that supports the UK manufacturing industry in the Midlands I’m worried about how job lossless could affect friends and family.

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Well with Boris in charge, who 'thinks' he can threaten and bully the EU, god help us. He will quite soon, no doubt, learn there is an even bigger bully just over the pond...
 
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Could maybe perhaps ... *** get on with your lives people, don't worry about stuff that may NEVER happen.

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Well this is the government's view on what will potentially happen with a no deal Brexit. I think we have the right to be concerned:
Screenshot 20190801 192403 Sky News
 
I plan to carry on as normal deal or no deal. Mark my words f*ck all of any significance will happen either way.

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Must be nice to be able to carry on as normal even if you lose your job and the cost of living shoots up at the same time. I guess you can always sell your M5 to keep you going
 
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Must be nice to be able to carry on as normal even if you lose your job and the cost of living shoots up at the same time. I guess you can always sell your M5 to keep you going
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Who says that will happen? Absolute BS all over the news, crystal ball gazing stated as fact when it is far from it.

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Here is a thread highlighting many negative affects of the Brexit situation on the UK car industry

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1159464693544755200.html#

It is a well researched piece from someone with knowledge and expertise of the sector.

Terminator X - do you have any counter evidence to suggest this concern is BS and we should be more positive? I appreciate no one can predict the future precisely but I feel the general consensus is that any form of Brexit will be very bad for us in UK car manufacturing and No Deal will be a disaster. I think I may end up working in Europe if No Deal happens which will be a positive experience.

I can’t quite understand the upsides to Brexit but appreciate I’m at the sharp end so perhaps need to look at the bigger picture?
 
WarwickBoy said:
Here is a thread highlighting many negative affects of the Brexit situation on the UK car industry

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1159464693544755200.html#

It is a well researched piece from someone with knowledge and expertise of the sector.

Terminator X - do you have any counter evidence to suggest this concern is BS and we should be more positive? I appreciate no one can predict the future precisely but I feel the general consensus is that any form of Brexit will be very bad for us in UK car manufacturing and No Deal will be a disaster. I think I may end up working in Europe if No Deal happens which will be a positive experience.

I can’t quite understand the upsides to Brexit but appreciate I’m at the sharp end so perhaps need to look at the bigger picture?
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The car industry is in the shitter and not caused by brexit. They have a perfect storm of multiple problems all over the world. Brexit this brexit that for any "problem" found is hilarious, what on earth did people blame things on before 2016 ...

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I think a big effect of Brexit is the uncertainty it has created in consumer confidence. No one knows what is going to happen financially and people are more risk-averse when it comes to parting with money.
 
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I think a big effect of Brexit is the uncertainty it has created in consumer confidence. No one knows what is going to happen financially and people are more risk-averse when it comes to parting with money.
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This is indeed true - and it is clear that people are delaying taking on big financial commitments, be that buying a new car or moving house.

However our current direction of travel is firmly towards a 'no deal' unless the UK or the EU back down, or Parliament is able to stop it though a vote of no confidence or some other mechanism. We are warned time and time again by the UK based manufacturers that a 'no deal' brexit would be disastrous for the industry with potential disruption to the 'just in time' supply chain along with 10% export tariffs being applied unter WTO rules. Can we really put all these warnings down to 'project fear' - I think not.

Sadly (in my opinion), the 'sunny uplands' that were sold are merely and illusion and brexit, in any of its possible variants, will be economically damaging. Yes, we will survive, but we will be weaker. It is extremely sad....
 
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I realised that No Deal is predicted to have a negative affect on car manufacturing. I had not realised it could put 2 UK refineries out of business planning documents reveal.

A document from Anglesey Council says: "Pembrokeshire Valero is a significant contributor to overall UK fuel supply and if they cannot compete on equal terms with EU markets, then there is a danger to their viability."

While job losses in 2 areas which ironically voted to leave (but perhaps not for No Deal) a possible short term silver lining for motorists is short term lower fuel prices.

An interesting read and too story on BBC news tonight.

BBC News - Brexit: No-deal plan threatens UK fuel plants https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-49405270
 
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Some good news this week. MPs are starting to wake up to now important a deal is to keep JIT supply chains working.

Stephen Barclay MP has highlighted this in a tweet.

“The car industry’s ‘just in time’ supply chains rely on fluid cross-Channel trade routes. >1,100 trucks filled with car parts cross seamlessly from EU into UK each day. We need to start talks now on how we make sure this flow continues if we leave without a deal“

If that flow does not continue many UK companies will be affected and worse case close with the resulting job losses. Full thread here;

 
They have and some new custom rules and technologies to enable lorries to pass through ports by declaring goods electronically in advance have been implemented.
But, considering the money we were, allegedly, going to save by leaving the EU, how much is all the preparation costing us?

By the way, the Brexit campaign was run by Dominic Cummings, who believes that out means out, whatever, and chief adviser to Boris, is now one of the most influential and unelected figures in our country politics. Yet his farm has been receiving £235,000 in EU subsidies a year, and he loathes politicians...
 
It’s a bit too late to only be realising this
 
The car industry body itself have published details of 13 myths about No Deal. I trust what they are saying as they are experts in their own industry.

https://www.smmt.co.uk/2019/07/13-automotive-brexit-myths-busted/

MYTH 1: The auto industry shouldn’t worry about leaving the EU with no deal

MYTH 2: This is just the automotive industry scaremongering

MYTH 3: Industry is blaming Brexit but the real problem is falling diesel sales and the slowdown in global markets, including China

MYTH 4: The EU market is in decline and growth markets are in the emerging economies. A ‘no deal’ Brexit will let us focus on those countries for export

MYTH 5: A fall in the pound makes exporting cheaper so UK car makers will benefit

MYTH 6: A ‘no deal’ Brexit will help reduce car prices and increase choice

MYTH 7: EU rules stifle innovation – the industry will be better off without them

MYTH 9: We can readily strike trade deals with big global automotive markets

MYTH 10: Tariffs would give UK auto manufacturers a competitive advantage at home

MYTH 11: The UK could use import tariffs to support the automotive industry

MYTH 12: The German car industry sells 750,000 cars in the UK – it will demand a deal to protect its own interests

I think these two are the most relevant here

MYTH 13: The demise of UK automotive manufacturing would be a price worth paying for ‘no deal’; the economy would cope without it

TRUTH: Automotive manufacturing is one of the UK’s most important economic pillars, producing high value goods, creating skilled jobs and driving exports. It delivers an annual £82 billion direct to the Treasury, employs 168,000 people and supports local economies, and is responsible for 14.4% of the UK’s export in goods. However, the true scale of its contribution is significantly larger, at around £175 billion5 once the impact on adjacent sectors, including raw materials; R&D; logistics; retail; finance; insurance; tech and more are taken into account.

MYTH 8: Leaving with no deal will mean more automotive jobs for British people

TRUTH: ‘No deal’ will cost jobs, not create them. Thousands of cuts have already been announced, with one in eight companies reducing headcount as part of contingency planning.3 The sector depends on accessing talent; we develop our own but look globally for the best people to fill any skills gaps and need our UK employees to develop international experience.


My conclusion is that although there might well be other benefits of Brexit it will hurt jobs and the economy in the area where I work significantly. I’m against No Deal and also against Brexit l. I think the jobs economy related benefits promised by the leave campaign can’t be delivered.





 
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If only Trump took any notice of the WTO, he quite clearly uses tariffs to blackmail other countries into submission. We have this yet to come...
 
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Agree. It looks like Trumps strategy is
1) Encourage the UK into a position of international weakness (I.e. No Deal Brexit)
2) Offer is a take it or leave it US Deal more benefits the US than us.

UK will be in no position to refuse as they will be on WTO rules and desperate for a deal.

My conclusion is that the deal we currently have in the EU Single Market is better than what we’ll have for years to come. :-(
 
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Those people who ordered a new Porsche recently and signed the 10% no deal “tax” will probably be sleeping a little more sweetly tonight. While not guaranteed to prevent a chaotic no deal, this hopefully moves towards that goal and minimised the risk of that extra outlay.

https://www.theguardian.com/busines...yers-to-commit-to-10-no-deal-brexit-surcharge

Hopefully this lessens the likelihood of a similar 10% hike being applied to The Audis we like :)
 
terminator x said:
Could maybe perhaps ... *** get on with your lives people, don't worry about stuff that may NEVER happen.
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terminator x said:
I plan to carry on as normal deal or no deal. Mark my words f*ck all of any significance will happen either way.
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The government has now released an assessment of the possible effects of a no-deal Brexit on the UK, after MPs demanded that it be made public.
The document, marked as "Official Sensitive" and dated 2 August 2019, outlines a series of "reasonable worst-case planning assumptions".

So now we have an official view of some things a no deal will bring. Reviewing the Yellowhammer report it is now clear (to me at least) that some pretty significant changes will happen if we did leave the EU without a deal.

Brexit: What does Yellowhammer say about no-deal impact?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652280
 
WarwickBoy said:
The government has now released an assessment of the possible effects of a no-deal Brexit on the UK, after MPs demanded that it be made public.
The document, marked as "Official Sensitive" and dated 2 August 2019, outlines a series of "reasonable worst-case planning assumptions".

So now we have an official view of some things a no deal will bring. Reviewing the Yellowhammer report it is now clear (to me at least) that some pretty significant changes will happen if we did leave the EU without a deal.

Brexit: What does Yellowhammer say about no-deal impact?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47652280
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Risks not facts, I trust you understand the difference.

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terminator x said:
Risks not facts, I trust you understand the difference.

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Some of us neither want nor afford to take risks. I have type 1 diabetes and I dread to think of what would happen in the event of a breakdown in the supply of my medication.
 
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Some of us neither want nor afford to take risks. I have type 1 diabetes and I dread to think of what would happen in the event of a breakdown in the supply of my medication.
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At least the Govt are looking at the risks and I doubt they will leave anyone without important drugs.

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