Jeff's S4

My email to Audi UK Customer Services; just sent:

"Good morning,


My vehicle is Audi S4 saloon, registration XXXXXXX, VIN XXXXXXXXXXXXX. I've received notification of safety recall 24DP for replacement fuel rails. My local dealer is Marshal Audi Bexley; unfortunately I had a very bad experience there on the only occasion I've taken it back (the 2-year service in 2017) since it was supplied new there in 2015. The business and much of the personnel had changed in the interim, and the lack of care for the car (forecourt staff banging the side of my car with doors from adjacent cars being the worst) meant I vowed never to take the car there again. The recall notice presented me with a dilemma, so a few weeks ago, I went and spoke personally to one of the work shop staff, and expressed my fears. She proposed a solution that I found acceptable; in essence, she suggested that on the appointed day and time, I'd drive the car straight into the workshop myself, and then remain on site whilst the work was done (she said about an hour - even though the notice itself says three) and then drive it straight out again. On that basis, we made an appointment for 9.30am on Monday 22 July.


Yesterday, I rang the dealer to speak to the same person, to confirm all the arrangements we had agreed were in place. I wasn't allowed to speak to her and was instead put through to the service manager (David) whose attitude I found most off-putting. Firstly, he told me that what his colleague had agreed two weeks earlier was impossible on H&S grounds, and that I'd have to leave the car on the forecourt to take its chances until they were ready to move it into a work bay. He was oblivious to my fears about how my car would be cared for, repeatedly interrupted and spoke over me, and simply said he had confidence in his staff - he just couldn't grasp that it was me who needed to have that confidence and his words alone meant nothing unless translated into meaningful action. I gave him a chance to translate his words into deeds and asked if he personally would meet me on arrival in the forecourt, drive the car directly to and from the bay himself and take responsibility for its care until handing it back to me when the work was finished. He refused.


One thing David had suggested was that I should contact another dealer, so I did; Maidstone Audi. It's not exactly convenient for me and I did find David's suggestion vaguely reminiscent of Donald Trump telling people who don't like America to leave. But my first impression on speaking to the staff there (a service adviser called James) was better, insofar as it was at least informative and honest. He told me it was realistically an all-day job and there was the potential for the car to have to remain overnight if they had to order in replacement parts (seals etc.) after removing the supercharger. I thanked him, said I'd think about it, and get back to him. At that point, I decided to contact you.


I think I will probably take the car to Maidstone - I'm sure I can negotiate a time and date and alternative transport to suit - but before I do that, I'd like someone to clarify the position regarding replacement seals and other parts as relevant. As this is a safety recall ,and therefore something that's happening at Audi's behest, surely it would be making sure that for each job, the dealer doing the work is supplied in advance with all of the parts it needs or might need (in effect, a repair kit) to ensure the job is done first time, on time, with minimal disruption to the owner. That's what I'd like to speak to you about first, before I make any new arrangements. I also have a question about whether the work involves disturbing the ECU in any way - I'll set out my reason for that latter point in conversation


My number is XXXX XXXXXX and a call this morning if possible, would be much appreciated.


Kind regards

Jeff"


Now begins the wait.
 
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PMSL @ Donald Trump bit . Reflects your concerns and the dilemma you are facing - nicely put together Jeff
 
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So, there has been a development; of sorts. Audi UK has sent an auto-reply saying they'll get back to me within two working days (plus I've had a read-receipt). But I've also had a phone call from Bexley Audi, from the aforementioned David no less. You could imagine his toes curling inside his shoes, such was his embarrassment at having to inform me that they can't do the work on Monday as scheduled, because the parts haven't arrived due to being on back-order.

He's going to call me when the parts come in so that we can schedule a new time. Yeah, you do that, Dave. :)
 
Jeff, wouldn't it be nice to be a "normal" person who uses a car to get from A to B and just takes the car to a dealer without a worry? :(

I didn't check with my service manager if they actually have the parts in stock. Maybe I should...
 
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Jeff, wouldn't it be nice to be a "normal" person who uses a car to get from A to B and just takes the car to a dealer without a worry? :(

I didn't check with my service manager if they actually have the parts in stock. Maybe I should...
I would if I were you.
My neighbour adores his Hyundai I10; it meets all of his expectations and it doesn't phase him if it gets a wee nick on it. Many things stress him, but his car isn't one of them.
 
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Jeff, wouldn't it be nice to be a "normal" person who uses a car to get from A to B and just takes the car to a dealer without a worry? :(

I didn't check with my service manager if they actually have the parts in stock. Maybe I should...

it would be nice, wouldn't it.
 
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I would if I were you.



My neighbour adores his Hyundai I10; it meets all of his expectations and it doesn't phase him if it gets a wee nick on it. Many things stress him, but his car isn't one of them.

Like my neighbor who uses TCut to remove tree sap from his car without even washing it first
 
I would if I were you.
I didn't need to - the service manager contacted me today to inform me that the parts are on back order and so won't be available in time for my booking.
I'm partly inclined to write to Audi UK myself to request further details of the risk analysis behind this safety recall. After all they took a while to inform us and then they haven't put effort into ensuring that parts are available. Hardly seems like it is urgent does it?
 
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I didn't need to - the service manager contacted me today to inform me that the parts are on back order and so won't be available in time for my booking.
I'm partly inclined to write to Audi UK myself to request further details of the risk analysis behind this safety recall. After all they took a while to inform us and then they haven't put effort into ensuring that parts are available. Hardly seems like it is urgent does it?

@Dippy you mentioned in the other thread about some additional work on the S5 by MRC in the coming months. Is it just normal tweak or you looking at going to the next level?
 
@jdp1962 apologies for stealing your thread but I thought I'll ask it here :blush:
 
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I didn't need to - the service manager contacted me today to inform me that the parts are on back order and so won't be available in time for my booking.
I'm partly inclined to write to Audi UK myself to request further details of the risk analysis behind this safety recall. After all they took a while to inform us and then they haven't put effort into ensuring that parts are available. Hardly seems like it is urgent does it?
Same here: appointment due for today was cancelled due to lack of parts. I’m just going to watch and wait. In the meantime Audi UK customer services has told me on the phone that there’s no reason to touch the ECU and interfere with the map.
 
@Dippy you mentioned in the other thread about some additional work on the S5 by MRC in the coming months. Is it just normal tweak or you looking at going to the next level?
That was a very speculative comment. It appears that MRC are testing an alternative TB solution. If (which could be a big if) they put together a package then I am pretty sure I'll go for it.
 
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That was a very speculative comment. It appears that MRC are testing an alternative TB solution. If (which could be a big if) they put together a package then I am pretty sure I'll go for it.

Very interesting. I know they have fitted and tuned a B8.5 S4 with IABED'S 75mm TB along with a ported charger but wasn't sure if they were developing one themselves. Exciting!!
 
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@jdp1962 and @Dippy - Someone on S4 UK FB group just posted this and I thought I'll make you aware.

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Again, of all the people who have had their FR recall done, this is only one so far who has reported this problem
 
Very interesting. I know they have fitted and tuned a B8.5 S4 with IABED'S 75mm TB along with a ported charger but wasn't sure if they were developing one themselves. Exciting!!
I am assuming that it is a continuation of this effort. As I understand it, Issam does not provide customised TBs, they are standard Bosch ones, and that although he supplies complete packages to his distributors, he makes the bulk of his profit from the active interface cable which makes it "plug and play" for tuners (in contrast to APR's which only works with their ECU files). If MRC "productise" this in the same way that their stage 2 is, then I'll be one of the customers.

@jdp1962 and @Dippy - Someone on S4 UK FB group just posted this and I thought I'll make you aware.
There's also the report on A5OC where the owner has a coolant leak after having the work done. This is exactly what made me hesitant before. But now that I have the recall notice I have no choice.
 
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Jeff, Throttle Body
It's the most restrictive part of the air intake because it has the smallest bore (although the same as the supercharger port), but also has the butterfly flap in it. Even going from 70mm to 75mm can improve air flow enough to help at the top end. In conjunction with a bigger pulley, new heat exchanger (rad) and ECU map tweak. It can make enough of a difference over a stage 2 to be worth it (from a desirability point of view that is, not value for money).
 
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Any news on your recall Jeff? Mine's booked in for next week, although the dealer hasn't confirmed that the parts arrived...
 
Any news on your recall Jeff? Mine's booked in for next week, although the dealer hasn't confirmed that the parts arrived...
I haven't booked mine yet. Bexley Audi keep riniging to say they've got the parts. I keep saying hold onto them while I wait for Audi UK to answer my complaint about the lack of meaningful assurances (as opposed to random bland noises coming out of the mouth of the service manager) that my car will be properly cared for. Audi UK is due to call me this Friday; watch this space.
 
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So Audi UK called; with no news. Bexley Audi hasn’t responded to the complaint. They’ll try again on Tuesday.
 
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If true I am impressed that Audi UK are taking your request seriously. I also admire your resolve. In your place I would be getting worried that as a result of this I might get a spitefully worse service from Bexley. But that's how my OCD brain works :(
 
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Another example of how my OCD brain works: I shall be cleaning my car before I take it to the dealer. I imagine that the engineers subconsciously take better care of a clean gleaming car than a dirty one...
 
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Another example of how my OCD brain works: I shall be cleaning my car before I take it to the dealer. I imagine that the engineers subconsciously take better care of a clean gleaming car than a dirty one...

I wouldn't assume this to be the case @Dippy. I have had on one occasions grease marks on the wings and under the bonnet on my car (S4), which are really easy to pick up on a white car. And I'd washed the car a night before. Luckily I had the leather cleaner so, I checked the steering wheel in front of the Service Manager and showed him the quality of care despite my reminders and 'No wash' stickers inside.

Not scaremongering here but I believe telling you what we all already know.
 
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Yes of course that's the other reason I do it - so that any lack of care is more immediately obvious.
 
Still no response from Audi UK, so last night, I sent tihs:

"Good evening


More than three weeks have now passed since I made the attached complaint, and there's no sign of a solution. XXXXXX XXXXX said she'd be dealing with it personally, but it seems Bexley Audi has complete ignored her, and now I can't get her to take my calls or call me back when promised. The conclusion I'm drawing from that is that Bexley Audi doesn't care, and Audi UK is powerless to make it care. So I now have no choice but to book the car into an alternative dealer; the aforementioned Maidstone Audi is the nearest to me that isn't part of the same group (Marshall) as Bexley. But it's still far enough away that taking the car there will cause me time, expense and disruption of my work. I'm looking to Audi UK for a goodwill gesture to remedy that.


If Audi UK wants to restore my faith in the brand (not in Marshall - they're a lost cause to me) here's what I'd like it to do. Whilst the car is at Maidstone Audi to have the 24DP recall work carried out, I want Audi UK to agree to meet the cost of Maidstone Audi updating the car's MMI system's firmware and satnav mapping data to 2019 specification on the same visit. With a little bit of intelligent planning at their end, it should be possible to complete both jobs in one day, one after the other.


If you will agree to cover that cost, then please can you arrange for Maidstone Audi to be supplied with all the necessary parts for both jobs, in advance, at no cost to it. All Maidstone Audi then needs to do is call me to arrange a date for me to bring the car in, and supply me with a complementary car of broadly comparable specification for the duration of the work.


An early reply would be appreciated; this really is going on far too long and no one's got to grips with it.


Kind regards"

I'll let you know what happens. :)
 
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I have my popcorn ready

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Trouble is, what can they do in reality, Audi UK must stand by their dealership network as far as the customer is aware of, in the background they may well be trying to source another motoring group for that area's franchise when the agreement to up for renewal.

This sounds a bit like a posting on the Polo forum, Polo owner, who was buying their car on VW Group provided finance/contract received an invite to a "Special Event" - now you might think that who ever sent out these supposedly limited invites had checked if the recipient was in a position to benefit from attending instead of just mailing all recent customers. Anyway, if his case absolutely no special buys or deals, so as all the sales people were kitted out with specially printed tee shirts with "Special Event", he pressed on a lot further and asked the sales people, then when that failed, the sales manager to justify all this "Special Event" thing as the showroom looked like usual - no examples could be given but they came very close to admitting that it was all just a bit of marketing BS or scam. That guy did not expect any better, but was considering moving up a car size earlier than his term of agreement would normally allow, so thought that the extra few quids difference that a "Special Event" would come with would ease his pain/losses - not at all.

Another VW Group scam.

As my daughter is collecting her new Leon Cupra hatch tomorrow, I was checking up on current conditions of warranty etc,and bumped into, in the SEAT UK owners section, the recovery action for the TDI emissions issue, I then discovered watching the videos that we were probably all wrong, VW Group did nothing wrong, it was just an option that was left in the engine's ECU, that video maker should really get an award, brilliant turn round - or utter mistruths!
 
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Just had a phone call from Audi UK. They've agreed to pay for the MMI/satnav firmware and mapping update when the car goes to Maidstone Audi for the 24DP safety recall. :)

Next step is for Maidstone to call me to arrange a convenient date.
 
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Just had a phone call from Audi UK. They've agreed to pay for the MMI/satnav firmware and mapping update when the car goes to Maidstone Audi for the 24DP safety recall. :)

Next step is for Maidstone to call me to arrange a convenient date.

This is brilliant outcome Jeff - it paid off. Very well done mate
 
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Just had a phone call from Audi UK. They've agreed to pay for the MMI/satnav firmware and mapping update when the car goes to Maidstone Audi for the 24DP safety recall. :)

Next step is for Maidstone to call me to arrange a convenient date.
@jdp1962 - Result Jeff. Nice one buddy :thumbs up:
 
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Just had a phone call from Audi UK. They've agreed to pay for the MMI/satnav firmware and mapping update when the car goes to Maidstone Audi for the 24DP safety recall. :)

Next step is for Maidstone to call me to arrange a convenient date.
I managed to get the same deal after a sh1t customer experience from both Watford and Slough Audi.
It took them 3 attempts to update the firmware!

Take note of the current firmware version and check it after they update it.
The latest version at the time was: 8R0 051 884 FK
8R0 060 884 FK
ECE 6.27.2
Europe
2018-2019 Edition MMI 3G HDD (HDD, 3D, Joystick) need Activation SD card[46]


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Just had a phone call from Audi UK. They've agreed to pay for the MMI/satnav firmware and mapping update when the car goes to Maidstone Audi for the 24DP safety recall. :)

Next step is for Maidstone to call me to arrange a convenient date.

Result Jeff, good on you. :thumbs up:

JG
 
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I managed to get the same deal after a sh1t customer experience from both Watford and Slough Audi.
It took them 3 attempts to update the firmware!

Take note of the current firmware version and check it after they update it.
The latest version at the time was: 8R0 051 884 FK
8R0 060 884 FK
ECE 6.27.2
Europe
2018-2019 Edition MMI 3G HDD (HDD, 3D, Joystick) need Activation SD card[46]


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Took this today, in preparation.

IMG 1364
 
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