20,000 mile service intervals

Some very good points there Wibbly..
What at the dealers going to do when everything goes electric eventually.
When you consider the amount of components in an electric motor vs a combustion engine it has to be cheaper to design /manufacture?
But I can't see them charging less somehow.

I could definitely see that, these days, extending servicing is fine (up to 19K/2yrs), and the two serving schedules are there principally just to get the car into the dealer once a year on average to keep them in business. Maybe expectation is those on extended schedule do enough miles to have car going in once a year anyway. Mine is set to extended, I do fewer short trips, about 9k/yr, and MMI predicts service in well over a year from last.

Getting off topic on electric cars, but... Yep, very little to service. Anyone know what, say, a Tesla's servicing requirement is? No lubricants to speak of eather, let alone fuel, so oil companies are ultimately screwed too. Manufacturing costs of drivetrain probably down, replaced by battery and battery control system cost.
 
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Friend of mine changes the oil in his Honda (albeit non turbo) every 30-35k miles irrespective of age..........owned since new in 2003 just turned 315k miles. I change the oil in my mbikes much less frequently than suggested yet all still go strong to high mileage and rev way higher than 4cyl turbos.

Modern oils in modern engines, don't fall foul of scare stories, it does degrade yes but in normal use on a standard engine an oil change every 2 years is fine, if however you enjoy doing it yourself or just want to do it then you will do no harm whatsoever. Just don't let it go too low.
 
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I've never understood why the car can't work out itself it's doing less than 9000 miles a year and schedule services as appropriate. Not sure why there are two 'modes' (variable and fixed), irrespective of the marketing reasons for having this... Also, although the age of the oil possibly contributes, if the 9000 miles are not done with loads of short journeys, why should only doing 9000 require shorter service intervals?

And just like other technologies that improve over time, in this case oils, fuel, engine bearings, piston rings and stuff have all improved. So I'm not convinced the reasons behind why we want very frequent services are still actually completely valid. Having said that, changing oil/filter regularly probably has no negative effects (engine starved of oil whilst the filter fills up the first time when the engine is restarted?). And it keeps the oil companies happy ;-) I wonder if extended service intervals will actually mean those engines really are expected to have a reduced service life/be subject to problems later? Knackered at 70,000m vs 120,000m...?

Maybe extended servicing is not driven by the corporate market wanting less servicing, so much as the local Audi dealer network not wanting their business reduced! So they want to see the cars, perhaps for an otherwise unnecessary oil change once a year, to keep being able to charge us all regularly for something... For example, gone are the days when suspension components required a grease gun regularly - so the service network have to find something else to do regularly even though it really isn't required. This would explain regional differences in the servicing approach/options, which depends on how vocal the local dealer network is!

(The issue of needing frequent oil/filter changes reminds me of the popular wisdom of deep discharging rechargeable batteries to keep them healthy and extend their service life in things like mobile phones. These days, that behaviour actually damages them, but these old 'wisdoms' take forever to die)
I agree completely. When VW sold the Beetle it had to have the changed every 3000 miles. Oils and the materials used to build engines have come a long way since then. I have owned ten A3s and each one has done an average of 30-40k miles over around 2-3 years. Because of the mileage I did they were all on the variable service interval which worked out to a service around 19k miles. None of them have given me any problems that could in any way be related to the oil.
 
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Changing the oil after 1 or 2k miles is actually a good idea as there may be swarf (unlikely in modern engines but you never know) in there from the running in period.
These 2-year "extended" service intervals are far too long. There is no such thing as a "long life" oil filter as they start to lose their effectiveness after 8,000 miles. If you care about the car and intend to keep it beyond the usual 3-year HP deals today, I would stick to one-year (max 10,000 miles) intervals and ensure an engine/turbo in good, trouble-free condition over a long term.
+1 and spot on mate.

If I was buying a used car, I would walk away from those on variable servicing.

I like to see annual service stamps, suppose I'm a bit old fashioned that way lol.
 
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Changing the oil after 1 or 2k miles is actually a good idea as there may be swarf (unlikely in modern engines but you never know) in there from the running in period.

+1 and spot on mate.

If I was buying a used car, I would walk away from those on variable servicing.

I like to see annual service stamps, suppose I'm a bit old fashioned that way lol.

I was surprised to see that the service book is now a thing of the past.( Not sure is this the case in the UK?)
I asked the dealer where it was to be told it's now electronic. So at each service a print out is given with the details of the work carried out ect.




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Some very good points there Wibbly..
What at the dealers going to do when everything goes electric eventually.
When you consider the amount of components in an electric motor vs a combustion engine it has to be cheaper to design /manufacture?
But I can't see them charging less somehow.


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They will have to charge more cos of the heath and safety training required and the sw will not allow a unregistered techie touch/open certain test elements
I know from experience!! Was only able to do about half of the service and had to take the car to a hybrid/ electrical cleared Audi Dealer. Not ALL Dealers are cleared or meet the electrical safety requirements at the moment!!
Bye the bye when I worked on electric trains the motors would cover over 250k before bearing grease/change and the pcbs would go on forever once bedded in ( yes pcbs do like this)

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> 'No such thing' as long-life oil... oil starting to lose its effectiveness after 8000 miles,

Popular wisdom and doubtless true years ago. Where's the evidence this is still true?

> there may be swarf (unlikely in modern engines but you never know)

If there is in a modern engine, you have a problem that a change of oil isn't going to solve!

Remember, engines used to be built with relatively sloppy tolerances and we had to use 20w/50 oil. These days the oil is like water by comparison - the engine's needs for lubrication have changed, and the way they behave has changed. The days of 20w/50 oil, the need for running in a car a low revs, and 60,000 miles considered an ok engine life have all gone. These days running in an engine 'old school' will actually reduce its service life (as the borce get glazed and lubrication doesn't work so well)... I think many of the 'popular wisdoms' simply don't apply now, and the need for early oil changes is one of them.

But as has been said, "you pays your money" for whatever you're comfortable with...
 
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