S4 is diesel. Is S3 next??!!

Would you buy a new S3 if it becomes diesel powered?

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ok so...The S4 is now diesel, as is the S5, S6 & S7! So.... is the S3 next? Are you worried? Would you buy a new S3? Are you going to buy a current FL S3 as you are worried the new S3 will be diesel? Will the current S3 become a classic as it "could" be the last of the line petrol S3? So many questions!!!

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/audi-s4-now-diesel-car-too
 
Don't think the S3 will be diesel. It's easier to make a 4 pot petrol engine economical than a 6 pot petrol engine. However, I do think we'll see a 48V hybrid system in the new S3 (And RS3). This is also based on some info one of my friends got when visiting an assembly line in Ingolstadt where he asked about the new A3 and at first the tour guide wouldn't say anything but then he told him that he could expect something exciting (and I wouldn't say diesel is as exciting as a hybrid system ;) )

The next setup for me would be a sensible economical car, maybe used A4 diesel avant, and then I'll get myself my (realistic) dream car: Chevrolet Corvette Stingray C3 1969 Big Block with side pipes :rockwoot:
 
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Who cares.. . Not me anyway loads of other cars to be interested in.... Getting a new car doesn't mean it has to be a brand new model
 
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There is a possibility it could be diesel. Problems with hybrids is they have heavy batteries and that doesn’t go well with what is a sports car.
VAG group already has a twin turbo diesel around 270bhp so up the boost a bit and you got your 300bhp s3.
 
I really don't get this at all.
No way I will go near a diesel powered S4.
It just seems nuts to me, especially considering all the anti-diesel PR and push towards cleaner petrol powered cars.
I would not have any confidence buying a high value diesel car atm nor do I want or need a diesel as I do low miles.
It would be a final nail in the coffin for me with Audi if the next S3 is diesel that is for sure.
 
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My 2p worth...Having come from an 2.0 150BHP A3 S line TDI to a 310BHP FL S3, second thing you notice about the S3 is how thirsty it is (the first is how f*****g fast it is!). I did a 200 mile motorway journey at ~ 80mph to pick up the S3 in the TDI at an ave of 55mpg and the same return journey in the S3 at an ave of 36mpg!, the third thing you notice is that turbo lag and lack of initial grunt until the turbo is spinning.
So IMHO if you combine all that performance with a more reasonable mpg and incredible low down grunt, it would be worth looking at...…...However replacing the sound is a different matter all together and I'm never sure an oil burner will ever sound like a petrol engine car (but will always be better than a whirring noise from and electric car?).
A fellow on the industrial estate I work on has a tricked out golf GTD with a performance exhaust and when he gives it some welly, it sounds like a 4 cylinder petrol turbo with a rev limiter set at 2,500rpm... not good at all :blink:
 
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Can't see the next S3 being Diesel. It's a 4-pot motor, so not as thirsty as the 6 Cylinder engines.

I also think the A4 and above, are bought more from fleet buyers, and are mostly company cars. A3's are generally private cars. It would also mean the next Golf R would be a Diesel too, which I cannot see at all.

As also said the push by the Government to get us away from Diesels, and the inevitable rise in Diesel Tax at the next budget will surely mean a nail in the coffin of the Diesel here in Britain.

It's like, we got caught cheating with our Diesel cars, so we are going to force you to buy more Diesels. Bizarre !

Whether the next S3 is Diesel or not, I think I'm done with Audi. Quality dropping and prices rising. I'll keep my current S3 until either something I want comes along, or keep it for many years to come and buy a Cayman GT4 (which I nearly did the other week)
 
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I don't have a problem with diesel powered cars and I like the older SQ5, in fact I think diesel fits the Q cars better. However, efficiency has come a long way and the difference in terms of economy between petrol and diesel is marginal compared to what it used to be, so I don't think they have any real need to put a diesel in the new S3. A mild hybrid system is going to be more likely and I don't really mind the idea of it. Instant throttle response, it can fill in the gaps of power where there would have previously been turbo lag. It definitely seems like more of a benefit.
 
IMO the modern S3 is not laggy at all for a turbo car. Older turbo cars Ive had were WAY more laggy (nothing below 3krpm, and slow to hit full boost above that). If you floor the S3 at 4krpm there is hardly any lag. If you are flooring it at 1.5krpm and expecting the turbo to kick in quickly then you are doing it wrong.
 
The technology and parts to do this have been around for the last 5-6 years at least and are well proven.

Open the video above in you tube and you will see a lot more information about the car.
A DPF and low revs mean a diesel will never sound like a petrol car but the V6 diesel does make a much better noise than a 4 pot. But even petrols are getting particulate filters in the exhaust so aren't the same as non filtered cars.Using electronically generated sound they can fool a lot of people. I am sure Audi have done their homework and believe they can sell these to the masses who want a fast reliable cheap to run car. If the government don't kill the diesel car market entirely with very high road tax or extra tax on the fuel or effectively ban them from cities with ludicrous charges then Audi will probably sell quite a few of these. If not in the UK market then probably in other markets around the world. I may be in the market to buy one in a few years time.
 
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IMO the modern S3 is not laggy at all for a turbo car. Older turbo cars Ive had were WAY more laggy (nothing below 3krpm, and slow to hit full boost above that). If you floor the S3 at 4krpm there is hardly any lag. If you are flooring it at 1.5krpm and expecting the turbo to kick in quickly then you are doing it wrong.
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Damo, perhaps the current S3 isn't a bit a bit laggy compared to the older cars (you don't mention what) however IMHO compared to the a modern TDI or a petrol car with a smaller turbo it certainly is, as they can pull hard from 1.5 k rpm. what I am saying is if you can combine the characteristics of both, you are on to a winner.
 
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I’d quite happily buy one tbh. The only reason I prefer the 310 s3 over a performance diesel is the noises it makes. With the ppf 300 s3 being so quiet now it might as well be a diesel and enjoy some extra mileage
 
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I don't mind the noise the new s3 makes its less boy racer in my eyes but then again i am knocking 40 so it could be that :crying:
 
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Mr Freeze said:
I don't mind the noise the new s3 makes its less boy racer in my eyes but then again i am knocking 40 so it could be that :crying:
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:grinning: Got to laugh at that, as I am 62 and love the sound my '17 S3 makes, I guess that makes me a Granddad racer :grinning:
 
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I had one of the original skoda VRS's - diesel 130 in a polo chassis - it was utterly insane. Like driving a skate board with a breeze block on one end...
Whole chassis would twist under heavy cornering. Now the S3 seems very stiff; but with a heavy iron block on the front it would unbalance the car badly.
I think with a car the size of the S3 they might be able to get away with it; but the skoda was like the S1 with a diesel in it.
 
I was in Audi today and allegedly people are panic buying the petrol S4 etc before the diesel arrives!

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terminator x said:
I was in Audi today and allegedly people are panic buying the petrol S4 etc before the diesel arrives!

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ha ha thats classic

Seems that VW is doubling down on diesel because they are possibly behind on electric ??
 
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Diesel is Demon in the UK but still very popular in continental Europe, especially Germany. Better torque, more mpg and cheaper than petrol.
 
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I was in Audi today and allegedly people are panic buying the petrol S4 etc before the diesel arrives!

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Haven’t they not been available to order for almost a year now? (S4/s5) very expensive finance with high apr for used cars so can’t imagine them flying out
 
Snake Pliskin said:
I really don't get this at all.
No way I will go near a diesel powered S4.
It just seems nuts to me, especially considering all the anti-diesel PR and push towards cleaner petrol powered cars.
I would not have any confidence buying a high value diesel car atm nor do I want or need a diesel as I do low miles.
It would be a final nail in the coffin for me with Audi if the next S3 is diesel that is for sure.
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My thoughts exactly. Audi are losing the plot across the board. My next car was likely to be back to an S5 but serious doubt over this now. Absolutely crazy changing these models to diesel in the current climate (or at all).
 
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Do they have a load of left over diesel engines from the scandal that they need to get rid of?
 
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You’d think they’d offer the petrol version alongside the diesel in the uk like they are offering petrol in the US.
 
TYb said:
You’d think they’d offer the petrol version alongside the diesel in the uk like they are offering petrol in the US.
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They can’t get the petrol model through the wltp tests
 
winrya said:
They can’t get the petrol model through the wltp tests
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I wonder what’s up there, Mercedes and BMW are all releasing M and AMG in petrol form with even more power, new M3 is 510 bhp.

Looks like there are big issues at Audi these days. Awful designs and terrible decision making.
 
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TYb said:
I wonder what’s up there, Mercedes and BMW are all releasing M and AMG in petrol form with even more power, new M3 is 510 bhp.

Looks like there are big issues at Audi these days. Awful designs and terrible decision making.
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M5 is post wltp and a big V8 ***!

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And now all 1.5 engines are under stop for VAG group till they sort the “Kangaroo” issue is resolved . Seems it is being caused by the changes made to meet emissions .
VAG really in a mess !!
Agree what has already been said that they are behind on the hybrid /electric market . I remember several years ago they announced a hybrid Beetle. My wife would have bitten their hand off. I see ads on VW electric vehicle mock ups !
 
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However they could use Porsche engines that are. To be honest I doubt if it is anything to do with wltp...
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I’d imagine it’s the cost vs potential sales as a result. I’m sure they could get it compliant but the s4/s5 aren’t great sellers and the majority on the roads are from the cheap lease deals that have been on and off for past couple of years

Lad I know at audi said that the old sq5 as a diesel sold really well and since it was replaced by the petrol v6 he said they might as well not have it in the line up. All anyone asks for is when is a diesel coming.

Maybe the majority of buyers (not petrol heads) want loads of torque and performance without 20mpg and noise. I always thought the sq5 sounded pretty amazing for a diesel so imagine these new versions will be very impressive. And as most of these are on lease or pcp, there is no risk of residual values falling due to the diesel doomers out there, they just get given back or vt’d
 
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winrya said:
Lad I know at audi said that the old sq5 as a diesel sold really well and since it was replaced by the petrol v6 he said they might as well not have it in the line up. All anyone asks for is when is a diesel coming.

Maybe the majority of buyers (not petrol heads) want loads of torque and performance without 20mpg and noise. I always thought the sq5 sounded pretty amazing for a diesel so imagine these new versions will be very impressive. And as most of these are on lease or pcp, there is no risk of residual values falling due to the diesel doomers out there, they just get given back or vt’d
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I always liked the last SQ5. Looked good and sounded great for a Diesel. If I did more miles than what I do, an SQ5 would have been on the want list. But the new Petrol version SQ5,? No way. Big SUV's suit a Diesel motor more than petrol because of the weight. More Torque and better mpg. Who wants a petrol powered SUV with rubbish mpg? OK, the rich in London do, but outside London? Not many.

As for the S4? I'd still prefer it to be Petrol, but the A4 itself is a big old barge these days. The first A4 was probably smaller than the current A3 Saloon. But manufacturers are transfixed with making every generation of car bigger, wider, longer than the last.
 
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I always liked the last SQ5. Looked good and sounded great for a Diesel. If I did more miles than what I do, an SQ5 would have been on the want list. But the new Petrol version SQ5,? No way. Big SUV's suit a Diesel motor more than petrol because of the weight. More Torque and better mpg. Who wants a petrol powered SUV with rubbish mpg? OK, the rich in London do, but outside London? Not many.

As for the S4? I'd still prefer it to be Petrol, but the A4 itself is a big old barge these days. The first A4 was probably smaller than the current A3 Saloon. But manufacturers are transfixed with making every generation of car bigger, wider, longer than the last.
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I drove the last SQ5 on Audi day, it was fantastic to drive and you would never know it was diesel. I know fake sound deals with this, but sounded pretty realistic to me.
 
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q5man said:
I drove the last SQ5 on Audi day, it was fantastic to drive and you would never know it was diesel. I know fake sound deals with this, but sounded pretty realistic to me.
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All these fake sound moderators do my head in. Most sound absolutely rubbish. My old MK7 Golf GTI sounded so fake you wonder how it ever got signed off?

But with everything going electric, they say you'll be able to choose what sound you want pumped in via the speakers. V6, V8, V10 !! Cringe !
 
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q5man said:
I drove the last SQ5 on Audi day, it was fantastic to drive and you would never know it was diesel. I know fake sound deals with this, but sounded pretty realistic to me.
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I don’t have a problem with diesel in a Q variant car as it kinda suits the package / look of the vehicle ... but in a saloon / hatch I really think it needs to be petrol if branded as an S car ... it’s one step short of an RS and has always represented a performance car :icon thumright:
 
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terminator x said:
I was in Audi today and allegedly people are panic buying the petrol S4 etc before the diesel arrives!

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Assume youre talking about used S4's seeing as it's not been available to order new for over six months?
 
Snake Pliskin said:
I don’t have a problem with diesel in a Q variant car as it kinda suits the package / look of the vehicle ... but in a saloon / hatch I really think it needs to be petrol if branded as an S car ... it’s one step short of an RS and has always represented a performance car :icon thumright:
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Completely agree
 
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wab172uk said:
All these fake sound moderators do my head in. Most sound absolutely rubbish. My old MK7 Golf GTI sounded so fake you wonder how it ever got signed off?

But with everything going electric, they say you'll be able to choose what sound you want pumped in via the speakers. V6, V8, V10 !! Cringe !
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I know what you are saying, and can’t argue, cannot beat proper sound. My wife has a JCW, and whilst the JCW sports exhaust sounds lovely, I am not 100% whether there is any fake addition, but sounds very authentic.
 
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Abzz said:
Damo, perhaps the current S3 isn't a bit a bit laggy compared to the older cars (you don't mention what) however IMHO compared to the a modern TDI or a petrol car with a smaller turbo it certainly is, as they can pull hard from 1.5 k rpm. what I am saying is if you can combine the characteristics of both, you are on to a winner.
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right, got ya. Older cars: Celica GT4 turbo gen and gen 3 (my gen 3 was worse since it had a larger hybrid turbo, nothing until 3500rpm even with decat, exhaust, larger DP etc), Impreza turbo (wasnt too bad), but even worse was the Mitsi Fq400. It was always a trade off between having high flow capability and how laggy they were. Modern turbos are significantly better than those of old.
 
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