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Afternoon all,

Now I’m running water meth injection, I’m going to be looking for a good quality, reliable supplier of methanol. Where do you guys running it buy yours from. There are many places on the internet, eBay, amazon and alike... just looking for first hand experience with supplies, etc.

These days god only knows what you buy....

Thanks all


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I'll be intrested in finding this out as well. I'll also need my posted to Northern Ireland so could be more difficult to get it over.
@S3 Hilife runs meth I believe. You could my be send him a pm.
 
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Lots of researching later! You measure your 50/50 mix by weight, not volume!

Methanol weighs 791.4g per litre
Distilled Water weighs 1000g per litre

In order to “Fill” your 1.15 US gal (4.3 litre) AEM tank, you’ll need.....

2.23 litres Methanol (1764g)
1.76 litres Distilled Water (1764g)

That will give you a true 50W/50M mix of (3.99 litres) worth.

If you mixed using a volume measurement you would actually have a mix ratio of 60W/40M. If your doing by eye.... well, who knows haha!

So this begs the question... do you buy a premixed product like (DevilsOwn Brew) which claims 50/50 saving the hassle of weighing out, mixing and having multiple bottles lying around.

Or do you buy separate, mix it yourself knowing that the quantities are correct? This obviously depends on your supplier, but generally looks to be cheaper.

Options

1. DevilsOwn Brew 20 litres in (4) 5 litre containers - £51 inc VAT & postage
(Giving you 5 tanks worth)

2. APC PURE
12 Litres Methanol 99.85% in 1 litre bottles
10 Litres Distilled Water - £44.90 inc VAT & postage (Giving you 5 tanks worth and a little extra)

For the sake of (£1.22 per tank) I’d be incline to go with DevilOwn Brew, again saving the hassle of mixing, weighing, storing multiple bottles and time involves.

Any thoughts?




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I just stick 2.5ltrs of water and 2.5ltrs of meth in a 5ltr container and give it a shake.... Job done :)

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I just stick 2.5ltrs of water and 2.5ltrs of meth in a 5ltr container and give it a shake.... Job done :)

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Haha thanks mate, where do you get your Methanol from? Same as Bill?


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S3AMJ said:
Haha thanks mate, where do you get your Methanol from? Same as Bill?


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I got mine from Bill... I don't really get through it quickly so haven't got any in years though

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I got mine from Bill... I don't really get through it quickly so haven't got any in years though

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That’s fair enough mate, I’m going to try and use my car as much as I can. Saying that with mixed driving back to London, I haven’t used ****** all since Bill filled it.

I’ve found 5L 99.95% Methanol for - £9.50 plus the delivery which is the killer being a hazardous material.

Distilled water is easy and cheap enough to get hold of.

See how long that’ll last me :)
 
Out of curiosity, how many of you that run meth have a warning sticker in the boot or something similar? I’m just wondering if you have a collision and you’re injured and taken away or unconscious etc, how will the fire service know you’ve got a meth tank in the boot or in the spare wheel well? If I remember right, Bill did some tests years ago on what mixture was flammable and I think at 50/50 it was still flammable? I can imagine the insurers that will allow meth saying the meth is fine until you try and make a claim and then say you didn’t have any hazardous warning stickers all over your boot for the emergency services so your insurance is invalid lol.
 
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That..... is a very good point! Not thought of that. Obviously my insurers know I’m running Meth, wouldn’t be a bad idea to put one under the bonnet and boot I guess.


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S3AMJ said:
That..... is a very good point! Not thought of that. Obviously my insurers know I’m running Meth, wouldn’t be a bad idea to put one under the bonnet and boot I guess.


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They have to be visible from the outside so in the event of a crash or fire they know. we
Had to have one on a van because we have a blow torch in it and you don’t want that on the back of your car
 
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They have to be visible from the outside so in the event of a crash or fire they know. we
Had to have one on a van because we have a blow torch in it and you don’t want that on the back of your car
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I see your point, weld engineering vans, etc have to have gas visible too. But how far do we go... healthy and safety, etc, etc. We will soon have to put visible stickers that our cars are petrol haha. I’d put stickers in the engine bay and boot. Chances are if it’s bad enough for the fire services to be there your cars a right off and they’ll be looking inside for any possible flammable issues.


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Something like this should be suffice...

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JonnyDerv said:
Out of curiosity, how many of you that run meth have a warning sticker in the boot or something similar? I’m just wondering if you have a collision and you’re injured and taken away or unconscious etc, how will the fire service know you’ve got a meth tank in the boot or in the spare wheel well? If I remember right, Bill did some tests years ago on what mixture was flammable and I think at 50/50 it was still flammable? I can imagine the insurers that will allow meth saying the meth is fine until you try and make a claim and then say you didn’t have any hazardous warning stickers all over your boot for the emergency services so your insurance is invalid lol.
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in the same way the cars dont run "warning car contains petrol", or "warning boot contains pressurised tyre puncture repair cannister" etc etc etc
 
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badger5 said:
in the same way the cars dont run "warning car contains petrol", or "warning boot contains pressurised tyre puncture repair cannister" etc etc etc
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Knowing two serving firefighters I would surprisingly expect both would be aware a car may have petrol in it and may have something like a puncture repair cannister in the boot, but neither would ever think of a bottle containing meth in the boot of a hatchback. It’s not exactly something that someone who isn’t into tuning cars would think would be there. Knowing that meth is in the car would be useful in decontaminating the scene of a collision if it spilled. It’s not as retarded as you’re making out.

Thanks for clearing up the flammability question though.
 
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My S3 has a methanol injection kit fitted, but I can't find anywhere in Ireland that supplies methanol to use in it.
 
That’s frustrating bud, must be away round it! Befriend someone that makes biodiesel. They use it a lot in the process


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JonnyDerv said:
Knowing two serving firefighters I would surprisingly expect both would be aware a car may have petrol in it and may have something like a puncture repair cannister in the boot, but neither would ever think of a bottle containing meth in the boot of a hatchback. It’s not exactly something that someone who isn’t into tuning cars would think would be there. Knowing that meth is in the car would be useful in decontaminating the scene of a collision if it spilled. It’s not as retarded as you’re making out.

Thanks for clearing up the flammability question though.
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and when you have been to b&q and picked up some paint brush cleaner, or shopping and the mrs has bought nail varnish remover, etc etc etc
you are one of these "scared of every possible scenario" type folks or something?
best not leave your house for fear of something bad happening to you if so........

I get what you are trying to say, but reality check please
 
Again, those items are what you’d consider household or everyday items that you’d expect could be there, and in smaller quantities. Now if you had litres of nail polish remover in a container in your boot, that’s slightly different isn’t it? Also the fact you can make bombs with it lol

I could argue are you one of those people that believes “that will never happen to me”? Swings and roundabouts. I don’t think I need a “reality check”, if anything, perhaps people who haven’t ever thought about this do. If you see something from the perspective of the emergency services, which very few people do, you’ll understand how knowledge about a situation makes a big difference.

Would you rather be sat in a traffic jam longer because there’s a collision with a meth spill and the fire service are having to take extra precautions because they don’t know what it is, or be on your way because they knew it was meth and dealt with it as such in a timely manner?

I’m not suggesting plastering your boot in stickers but a methanol warning sticker on the bottle could be useful couldn’t it?

Just a thought, perhaps we’ll have to agree to disagree on it.
 
I personally cant see 2 litres of methanol (diluted with 2 litres of water) making much of a difference in the grand scheme of things in car fire when there is potentially 50L of fuel on board.
 
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Again, those items are what you’d consider household or everyday items that you’d expect could be there, and in smaller quantities. Now if you had litres of nail polish remover in a container in your boot, that’s slightly different isn’t it? Also the fact you can make bombs with it lol

I could argue are you one of those people that believes “that will never happen to me”? Swings and roundabouts. I don’t think I need a “reality check”, if anything, perhaps people who haven’t ever thought about this do. If you see something from the perspective of the emergency services, which very few people do, you’ll understand how knowledge about a situation makes a big difference.

Would you rather be sat in a traffic jam longer because there’s a collision with a meth spill and the fire service are having to take extra precautions because they don’t know what it is, or be on your way because they knew it was meth and dealt with it as such in a timely manner?

I’m not suggesting plastering your boot in stickers but a methanol warning sticker on the bottle could be useful couldn’t it?

Just a thought, perhaps we’ll have to agree to disagree on it.
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think about it, as I just cant be ***** arguing with the like of mentality such as yours... theorising worst case scenarios to make a point ..... which is borderline pointless.. (ironic.. a pointless point.. )

"methanol label on bottle in boot" - in a collision.. cars on fire.. do you honestly think they would be opening the boot to have a look see? You know the wmi providers have labelled tanks right anyhow? The emergency services in the event of fire will be extinguishing the vehicle... thats what they will be dealing with and are trained to do... oh, and the many gallons of petrol on board... The Emergency Services know what they are doing. They're professionals
 
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I personally cant see 2 litres of methanol (diluted with 2 litres of water) making much of a difference in the grand scheme of things in car fire when there is potentially 50L of fuel on board.
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indeed. but lets make a big issue out of it anyhow tho... :p
 
Maybe anyone carrying a can of deoderant in their car should have a sticker on the bootlid too?

I jest. JonnyDerv has made a valid point, but its possibly a bit ott.
 
Well as entertaining as this all is.... general consensus is...... don’t have an accident. ;)

Let’s put this to rest, fill up our cars with water meth and enjoy them.


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lol so obviously people have differing opinions on this, fair enough, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

However instead of spit balling scenarios and differing opinions I decided to actually ask the people that deal with RTC’s on their opinion on this. Now bare in mind they’re not car people so water meth isn’t something they know much about.

“We go through a process of ripping and stripping prior to cutting into a car to expose those hazards that might be a hazard to us and occupants. There is a chance we could expose the Methanol Water kit and therefore identifying hazard stickers attached to the Methanol tank would be very useful.”

In regards to tanks that are leaking:

“If the Methanol tank is cracked/leaking we can either plug the crack, syphon or decant into another container. Again, it would be prudent to have warning stickers on the tank so we know what we are dealing with. I guess some people may go higher percentages on the Methanol in the mix, which then does start becoming a problem.”

“We have had incidents where following the RTC the fuel injection pump continues to run, therefore supplying fuel to the engine either causing a higher risk of ignition or fuelling an existing fire.

So if there is a risk that the Methanol Water Kit could do the same, that would be beneficial for us to know to help us deal with it. It would be prudent for the driver to know that the kit will cut out with the rest of the electrics. With so many stored energy cells, engine management systems and reams of wiring looms it might not be as simple as you think.

So basically when it comes down to it, we can deal with it: but it would be really good for us to know with identification stickers on both the tank and preferably externally.”

I have no idea if most water meth kits have a fail safe built in so the bit about the pump still providing meth if it jammed or something is obviously not applicable if they do. The point was also raised about a thing about the fire service wanting cars running a split LPG/petrol having warning stickers after some firefighters were injured after attending what they thought was a normal car fire.

So there you go, seems the professionals that know what they’re doing would prefer to know that meth is on board. Who would have thought it? :). Feel free to do with your car what you wish by the way lol.
 
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When mine goes in the boot the tank will say meth and that will do it.
I don't think that what ever would be in the tanks would be a problem. They aren't massive tanks to begin with.
 
Mines approx 8cm away from my battery positive terminal... haha


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hydro s3 said:
Ha well I'll make no comment on that lol. Only to say get urself a couple we fire extinguishers
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Haha they are also in the boot... so hopefully they will self extinguish?! Or not


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Lol , haven't deal with forums from quite a while
I just though I opened something interesting and it definitely was, hahaha
Great arguments boys!:wink:
 
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Lol , haven't deal with forums from quite a while
I just though I opened something interesting and it definitely was, hahaha
Great arguments boys!:wink:
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Don’t know if you watch “Grand Tour” or “Top Gear” back when Jeremy clarkson was there. But this basically is an argument they would have with the same outcome haha.
 
Sorry to drag this thread up again....

But for those using water methanol, how much are you using?

Reason why I ask is I’ve done around 1300-1500 miles now and it’s barely dropped an inch in the tank.

My driving is fairly spirited so I’d be above my set 15psi when it’s activated.

Just curious :)


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I could drain a tank in an hour if I really wanted to driving around my local roads.

On the other hand I drove to the Nurburgring and back, including a lap of it, and plenty of autobahn top speed runs and didn’t even use a tank by the time I returned home.

Huge difference in mileage. However thats also a huge difference in driving styles.
 
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I could drain a tank in an hour if I really wanted to driving around my local roads.

On the other hand I drove to the Nurburgring and back, including a lap of it, and plenty of autobahn top speed runs and didn’t even use a tank by the time I returned home.

Huge difference in mileage. However thats also a huge difference in driving styles.
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Interesting... Hendo are you running a dual nozzle setup? I’m looking in doing this, get the most out of the system. Help reduce some knock as well.


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hydro s3 said:
Why did you set it at 15psi? Just curious for when I get mine fitted.
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This is what Bill has set it at, I think it’s because when you doing motorway mileage... for example 3000rpm/70mph

I think the cars around 12psi worth of boost, because I only have to blip the throttle and WMI kicks in. So basically if it was set to low it’ll be running all the time while on the motorway.


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hydro s3 said:
O rightful get what you mean. Also what size of nossile did you use and is it before the throttle body.
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Smallest size nozzle in the pack of three that you get I believe mate. Yeah it’s before the throttle body. Just after the Intercooler. If I do indeed run a second nozzle, this will go after the throttle body via a sandwich plate.


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Interesting... Hendo are you running a dual nozzle setup? I’m looking in doing this, get the most out of the system. Help reduce some knock as well.


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I was just a single AEM nozzle, just after the intercooler. Smallest nozzle that came in the kit.
 
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