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20190121 212056 20190121 212042 Hi this is driving me nuts where is this bulb?
It's the boot lid strip that's on with the side lights I have a break light reversing light that's all I can see?
It's dark sorry .
You can see one has a full rear light the other is missing the boot lid light.
That's the bulb I can not find .
Please help
 

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It's not a bulb it's entire glass/led affair check the power to it, if power is there you need a new/ second hand one
 
Sorry I don't understand.
How would you check it?
Nightmare I thought just a bulb
 
by using power or if the connector is the same try it on the other side of the boot
 
I'm lost mate sorry .
I will have to take it in i have no idea how to find where to put the power to all I have is a cluster with 3 bulbs that drop out . Obviously now that's not where I should be looking
 
open the boot look on the [lastic there is a cover pull of the cover and it exposes the rear light on the boot hatch
 
As Lee says, there is no bulb to change. The LED strip is built into the cluster and if it's faulty you have to change the whole cluster. If you haven't a meter to test it or don't know how to test for 12v. at the connector, then you'll have to find someone who can. One other thing you can do is remove the lamp cluster from the other side of the bootlid and plug that in place of the faulty cluster, the plugs and sockets should be the same. If it still doesn't work then the wiring up to the bootlid is faulty. If the led illuminates then you know you'll definitely need a new cluster.
 
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Bought a new light today from Audi and it doesn't work so had the car in local garage and they said there is no power to the light I do not understand how the outside one is fine and the bulbs work from the same plug
 
Also swapping the cluster into the on that works didn't work either so they are not interchangeable
 
Wire in the boot loom, most probably in the hinge rubber probably snapped
 
I've read they can have a bad earth but I'm not sure where it's earthed
 
Have you looked at the actual wiring to see if any problems as above and on yuor other thread, poor local earth, pin coming adrift, fuse blown, other electrical items playing up. You need to have a good look around to see if anything obvious.
 
Thank you. They are not fused apparently and I can see a earth but I don't think it's the right one. I'm scared to death to take the wiring apart and to know what I'm looking for . I need to find a diagram . Chap at the garage thinks it's powered by the outer light but the wires go to a box on the left attached inside the lining not the light.
I was hoping someone on here had the same problem . Just to confirm everything is dry with no sign of water ingress no white residue or rust.
So far £105 and still no light and I think the old one would work if power but that's life. Audi no help at all bloke said we will investigate £120
Wish I was on that.
 
The basic circuit for a car lamp is for a single wire to carry +12v to it, and the second wire goes from the lamp to a local earth point or an earth brought in to the plug from somewhere else in the car. The whole body is earthed and on a car that just means the battery negative (-) is connected to the metal car body, also called the ground. That way most items will only need a single wire to power them and they can "earth" locally to save costs in manufacture.

Some LED lights however are fed from a "driver" circuit, which could be the black box. A driver unit sends a stream of pulses to the LED and not a straight 12v supply. The driver box itself however, still gets fed a normal 12v power feed over 2 wires or one and a locally earthed one.

If you have a mobile phone with a camera handy, try filming the working LED on the good side, then watch the screen of the phone or play the video back, if the light seems to be flickering on and off rapidly, its a driver system you have so the black box will be that item and it may not have a 12v supply coming into it, hence not working. Cameras show this happening due to their refresh or scanning rate which the naked eye cannot see. With my dashcam I can see which traffic lights or car lights are LED or conventional filament lamps by whether they flicker rapidly or not, on the camera screen..

Your LED tail unit could have blown the driver and so neither work. Have you tried plugging the new LED you bought, into the side that works, this would show you the light unit and the driver are dead so you would need to prove there is, or isnt, a 12v feed to the driver box when the lighting is on and then go from there. If there is, you need a driver unit too. If not, you need to trace why there is no supply. I'd be surprised if there was no fuse, there always is to every item in a car for safety reasons. Unfused wiring or components can cause wiring fires rapidly so there must be a fuse somewhere.
 
I've tried the good side with the new unit and it doesn't light up . Called Audi they said each side is wire independent so that's a no go. I'm thinking now that the outer may have a fault and maybe replace that 1st as they must be connected .
Nightmare but I will try your theory .And thank you for spending the time to help me.
 
The basic circuit for a car lamp is for a single wire to carry +12v to it, and the second wire goes from the lamp to a local earth point or an earth brought in to the plug from somewhere else in the car. The whole body is earthed and on a car that just means the battery negative (-) is connected to the metal car body, also called the ground. That way most items will only need a single wire to power them and they can "earth" locally to save costs in manufacture.

Some LED lights however are fed from a "driver" circuit, which could be the black box. A driver unit sends a stream of pulses to the LED and not a straight 12v supply. The driver box itself however, still gets fed a normal 12v power feed over 2 wires or one and a locally earthed one.

If you have a mobile phone with a camera handy, try filming the working LED on the good side, then watch the screen of the phone or play the video back, if the light seems to be flickering on and off rapidly, its a driver system you have so the black box will be that item and it may not have a 12v supply coming into it, hence not working. Cameras show this happening due to their refresh or scanning rate which the naked eye cannot see. With my dashcam I can see which traffic lights or car lights are LED or conventional filament lamps by whether they flicker rapidly or not, on the camera screen..

Your LED tail unit could have blown the driver and so neither work. Have you tried plugging the new LED you bought, into the side that works, this would show you the light unit and the driver are dead so you would need to prove there is, or isnt, a 12v feed to the driver box when the lighting is on and then go from there. If there is, you need a driver unit too. If not, you need to trace why there is no supply. I'd be surprised if there was no fuse, there always is to every item in a car for safety reasons. Unfused wiring or components can cause wiring fires rapidly so there must be a fuse somewhere.

I’m curious about the Led driver pulses.
There must be something to measure at the end of the loom, is it a very low voltage, 12v pulsing, a small current on the Amps scale or something else?
To help the OP, where is this driver unit?
 
I don't know on the Audi but the black box he mentions sounds like it could be the driver. I replace these on commercial lighting often and there are different versions but all work roughly the same. Pulse are sent in what's called PWM or pulse width modulation which is a stream of pulses of variable width depending on the LED power requirement and the voltage level of the pulses is constant. Thus allows very bright LED output without it burning out from continuous running. If you point your phone camera at car lights or traffic light units you'll soon see LED ones work very differently from conventional bulbs. You can see the pulses on a scope, but a meter will average the pulse train and show either a steady voltage or a wavering value depending on it's sampling rate.
 
@Phil74 the black box you mentioned where the wires come from to the LED, can you check the voltage supply to it? You can get a cheap 12v tester from Halfords. I can't understand why a new unit wouldn't work on the good side, separate wiring is correct but they're not coded or anything unless the plugs are mirrored and so the pinout is reversed on each side. You should find an auto electrician not a mechanic mate.
 
Ok so to explain . On the light that does not work I still get a fig light and a reverse light so I switched it to the good side and I didn't get fog or reverse light so that was my thinking they are not interchangeable and also the wires are different colours on each side.
Apparently the LED is ran by DUTY CYCLE current not 12v.
I'm going to order a outer light if that doesn't work on gonna bite the bullet and send it to Audi the last thing I want to do
 
Phil74,
You tried the old one on the new side but it did not work? ( I think we all agree that this could be because it is broken)
Can you confirm that you have tried the good one on the defective side? I know you said that Audi told you they are wired independently which is correct, ( I think they mean that not all on the same wiring loom) but they should have the same type of connectors so could be tried on the good side as a test. This would indicate the cluster or the wiring . Apologies if you have in fact tried this but really not clear to me that you have.
 
No I tried the new light on the good side didn't work neither did the reverse or fog but when plugged into the broken side the fog and reverse work so they are not interchangeable.
I've tried every option as to swapping the lights U called Audi too they said they are wired independent of each side so will not work. They are handed
 
Just to confirm it is only the LED strip that doesn't light up everything else works so it's the LED wire or control unit or the outside light that links
That's where I am
 
There is power to the plug as everything works. Bulb wise
 
All fixed. I bought a new outer light and now the inner worked as the outer must be a slave for the inner and the outer was not sending power to the inner hence no power at plug. It was a shot in the dark but paid off.
Thank you all for your help
 
Me too I can get on with my life again.
 

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