Facelift MTM Cantronic Tuning Box Dyno Results

Thank you Jungle for taking the time to explain your experience and thoughts on comparing different tune boxed cars and the takeaway from rolling road results. I think moral of the story for me is obsessing over figures and comparing different cars dyno results as a measure of comparison of a cars true performance will usually end in disappointment, confusion and/or frustration. Prior to a few days ago I didn't really know much about dynos and this experience has certainly proven to give me a better understanding as to what dynos can and cannot be used for and whilst they are tool for comparison on the same car same day for tuning purposes beyond that results rarely provide an accurate depiction of how different cars perform in the real world. Just by chance was also scrolling through some older threads on here comparing Revo stage 1 cars to APR stage 1 and despite the Revo consistently producing lower bhp/torque numbers on the same Dyno and same day that Revo car in particular was said to drive better and was actually faster than the APR in real world .

That said I don't blame myself for wanting to somehow quantify the increase in power the MTM provides. As we all know it's one of the more pricey box options on the market albeit turns out I went about quantifying in not the ideal way. If I do take the car on another Dyno, which at the moment is looking unlikely, I will only use to compare stock against the box . Most likely I am going to invest in a vboxt sport/performance to see how the car is actually performing.
 
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Thanks Jungle was about to order a Vbox sport but having read through those threads hace opted for a dragy Arriving Tuesday, will update thread with results next week
 
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Thanks Jungle was about to order a Vbox sport but having read through those threads hace opted for a dragy Arriving Tuesday, will update thread with results next week
You will not be disappointed. More or less all of my "hardcore" customers have now switched to Draggy after running both this and the box side by side. Great little device.
 
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Had a quick 100-200 run on a private road near my houase with my dragy which just arrived this morning. Screens attached.

Best time was 11.82 with a slight uphill gradient.

Not sure how this compares to stage 1 remapped cars?
 

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Don't think it'll go any quicker than this... 11.65 was my best time 100-200 .

Definitely faster than stock but seems about a second off from stage 1 APR. Probably around where the car should be to be honest although disappointed as I was somehow expecting 10ish seconds. Think it's time to go full ECU remap !

On a side note want to thank Jungle for the great suggestion with dragy it is an absolute superb little device and money very well spent. If I do decide to go remap will be interesting to compare results.
 

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You could post in this thread, see who else has got it also. https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/dragy-performance-box.369925/

Billy was posting some pics I think around here if you want to compare to RS3 ;)
https://www.audi-sport.net/xf/threads/bil11-85-audi-rs3-build.358345/page-10

How much is Dragy? It sounds cool though unless I was going to be modifying and tweaking the car and on drag strips and whatever... then not sure I could justify it if expensive. Not like I have anywhere legal I could test 100-200 KM though either :p
 
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Dragy was only £140 absolute bargain if you ask me especially compared to Vbox.

Anyway here are the rest of my times in case anyone is interested:
 

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Followed you on dragy asrman its a gr8 little box of tricks
 
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Plan to remove the mtm and give it a run then for a comparison?

Didn't plan on doing this although the box is being removed on Sunday night as its going into the dealer Monday for some warranty work. May well get in a quick run stock if I have time to check the difference, although I have no doubt stock would be considerably slower. Reading around the net reveals stock times 100-200 are in the 14/15 second range, 1/4 mile in the low 13s and 0-60 in mid 4s so on this basis the MTM is not a bad option at all considering its ease of installation/removal and 'warranty safe' aspect. Think my expectations of the MTM has been too high comparing the car to full stage 1 remapped cars a box will never compare, as a warranty safe option which feels OEM in delivery just more power all around it still remains a great piece of kit. I think its a simple case of I've become use to the power and now craving more which will of course lead me into remapped territory.

Having said that there is some conflicting evidence on runs with quite a few APR S1 cars on the dragy leaderboards running mid/low 11s 100-200 which is of course not far ahead of my times although have seen some S1/JB4s run as low as high 9s. Whilst it seems the JB4 may be slightly quicker than the MTM I think if I sell the MTM I will go for a unicorn remap only, I know I am risking TD1 but have spoken to unicorn and they have assured that many of their cars have been flashed back to stock and had extensive warranty work done. Yet still a big risk but think the extra power may be worth it!
 
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Followed you on dragy asrman its a gr8 little box of tricks

Followed you back mate very impressive 1/4 mile time dipping into the 11s! What do you make of my times? Thinking of going Unicorn very shortly...
 
Make sure to post back if you get time for a stock run.

I'm in the same boat as you, thinking of a remap once warranty is out next year... But it's not like the car needs more power but deffo get used to how much it has so we always just want moreee I suppose! But..for no good reason lol.
 
Seem not to bad for a tuning box tbh
You a 3 or a 5 door?

3 Door all the way!

Make sure to post back if you get time for a stock run.

I'm in the same boat as you, thinking of a remap once warranty is out next year... But it's not like the car needs more power but deffo get used to how much it has so we always just want moreee I suppose! But..for no good reason lol.

Will do, have also spoken to Unicorn today they seem very confident their reflash process to stock makes the remap invisible. Whilst not for a second going to rely on this completely think the TD1 issue is somewhat overstated amongst forum users. Perhaps @Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. has further info to share in this regard
 
When I bought it I knew there was much confusion over the transfer of second hand boxes, I even emailed QST for clarification without reply.
I guess the myth that surrounds these boxes is built on the fact that nobody but MTM really knows what's going on inside them.
Imagine the disappointment of sending the box back for recoding, paying another £400-£500 and it still feels the same.
Unless it's categorically proven that the box is watered down when transferred, I'll leave it plugged in and drive it content that it makes a nice difference!
It’s not watered-down, it will either work or it won’t. Tried it on my Golf R when I got it, did nothing. Ended up selling it with the car. So it is working!
 
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It’s not watered-down, it will either work or it won’t. Tried it on my Golf R when I got it, did nothing. Ended up selling it with the car. So it is working!
When you say it did nothing, do you mean it ran just as oem with it fitted?

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3 Door all the way!



Will do, have also spoken to Unicorn today they seem very confident their reflash process to stock makes the remap invisible. Whilst not for a second going to rely on this completely think the TD1 issue is somewhat overstated amongst forum users. Perhaps @Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. has further info to share in this regard
I did a 12.7 stock 1/4 mile run although stock I was running 324bhp
I think if they dig deep enough they would trace the map but life is to short do it :racer:
 
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I did a 12.7 stock 1/4 mile run although stock I was running 324bhp
I think if they dig deep enough they would trace the map but life is to short do it :racer:

Yeh agreed they would probably find it but like you say lifes short and who knows, perhaps if they dug deep enough on my MTM pushing approx 50/60hp over stock I would be surprised if they found absolutely no irregularities or exceeded parameters, that's what I have made myself believe anyway... Bring on ECU remap lol
 
For all MTM users on this forum, seems all is not lost and there is light at the end of the tunnel.. Managed this time on my dragy today by simply changing my shifting points (shifting approx 200 rpm earlier). Have also got two runs on a slight uphill incline slowest being 11.3. It was showing 23.5 degrees on my car thermo today and was quite muggy. I would be confident getting a high 10s run in autumn/winter .

Going by times posted on bimmer forums this puts it well within stock M2 times which is pretty impressive for just a tuning box. Still half a second or so off remap times but a good 2/3 seconds quicker than stock.

Probably won't be updating this thread too much more, at least not until I get a remap. It has been interesting at least testing the MTM and putting it through its paces both on Dyno and in real world via dragy, hopefully the information produced here will be of some use to future/current MTM users :)

Thanks all for your input
 

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I'll do some 100 to 200 when my friend brings my dragy back lol
 
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Question for knowledgeable MTM owners in this thread (ahem @jungle650 ) - does anyone by any chance have empirical evidence (data logs or dyno chart etc.) on the MTM box displaying it conclusively adjusts fuelling as well as boost? Reason I ask is trawling through some old MTM Cantronic threads over on the MK7 R forums a lot of people (owner of BMS included) seem to think it does nothing for fuel and relies on the ECU to play catch up. *If true* this would be quite disappointing given the premium we have paid for the box. QST have confirmed to me previously on email that the box does adjust fuel. I do absolutely trust QST but it is always nice to have some backed up data to silence any haters.

While I wait for a response, attached a snap of my dragy time last week, 100-200 kph in 10.9 sec :stupid:

Thanks all.
 

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