Big power cars or light low power cars, which is more fun?

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I’ve recently been thinking over what I want from driving. What is fun on the road? Is light cars with low power better than heavier cars with big power?

Perhaps I should let you in on my car history. My first car was a mk4 Ford Fiesta with a dreadful 1.3 engine from the dark ages. I got this car while dating a girl who lived out in the sticks and my commute to her’s was down incredibly twisty country lanes. I absolutely kicked the living crap out that car and you know what? It was immensely fun. Okay the engine was horrid, I even hated it at 19 for its lack of anything, but the chassis was so fun, I could throw it about and know it’s limits very easily.

Then came my quest for power. At university I ended up with a Audi A4 b5 1.9 tdi. It was mapped, 150 bhp or so and felt pretty rapid compared to the fiesta. It handled okay, but it had more power so the “fun” came from trying to cain it on straights. As time went on I got bored of the small powerband and yearned for something to rev.

When my mother passed I decided to get something else, something faster and went for an Audi S3 8L. I ended up mapping it to 260bhp and that felt rapid for a few months. Then the power bug hit. Hybrid turbos, downpipes etc quickly led to engine rebuilds and big turbo conversions to the sound of 420bhp. It was fun, in a certain way. Obliterating cars behind was a big laugh, the car rarely lost traction with the Haldex controller and I could throw it around with confidence and usually at big speed. The feeling of speed wasn’t really there till bonkers numbers and it didn’t really feel fun until that kind of pace. The fun seemed to be how fast you could take a road.

When my insurance came up at nearly double the cost the following year I decided enough was enough and broke the car I had fell out of love with. I replaced it with an Octavia vrs 2009 mapped to 250bhp. It’s still reasonably quick, it’s comfortable but my God it’s boring. Back roads aren’t fun to me, I don’t feel I know what’s going on from the steering and it’s not that much cheaper than the s3. It’s a good car as an all rounder but it’s not fun, to me anyway.

This got me questioning, what do I find fun? Thinking back to my Fiesta days it was fun but really needed more power and a more fun engine, probably what the puma was (never drove it). I rented a new 320d auto last year which did 0-60 in 7 and more importantly to me, 30-70 in 6.8 and felt a good compromise between not too slow and not too quick. Perhaps something lightish (1250kg) with modest power (200ish) is the way to go or is something like a Suzuki swift sport the answer?

A stretch of the m1 near me has 70mph 24/7 cameras now so it’s obvious where speed enforcement is going. Cars are much faster, much more capable, bigger and insulted but the speed limits are the same as the 60s and roads are the same size.


Who here has felt that low power low weight is better for fun on the road? Who has made the move from big power? Do I look back on my Fiesta days with rose tinted glasses? I fear I’ll miss power but I’m not sure if that’s a male thing.

Any opinions on people moving from big power or have done would be very interesting to hear :).
 
Depends on the car a guy at work has got one of those fiestas with a merc 230 kompressor
 
Some of my most enjoyable drives have been in small engined hatchbacks - the way I drove my 1.0l Mk1 Polo sounds similar to what you describe in your Fiesta and I took great pleasure in entering the same local bends faster and faster.
I’ve also moved well up the power tree and hanker after a light car that I can drive much nearer it’s limits, I nearly bought a Panda 100hp just for that purpose.
I did have a 320d and it was a superb all rounder, went anywhere with winter tyres and returned nearly 60mpg regardless of how I drove it.
Superb handling and steering feedback, as you’d expect of a 3 series.


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Perhaps the problem is cars are too fast and too capable to feel fun at normal speeds these days and make the driver feel detached from the experience. I can see the appeal of things like an mx5 but my fear is I’ll get bored quickly and want more power. That’s why I’m curious to see if anyone has came from big power down to low and lightweight and finds it fun enough to not miss the power. In a perfect world I’d have two cars but I’m not currently in a position to run two cars so it has to be civilised enough for daily duties and not give me frustrations. Yeah I think the 320d was nice, performance wise it felt like a good compromise for UK roads. Not too slow not too fast. Have you took the plunge on a lighter car?
 
No, I’ve not bought a lightweight runabout as I might need all my spare cash to switch up to an RS7 or keep my A7 and buy a proper classic for occasional use. Unfortunately I’ve only got a driveway but no garage so getting a classic relies on me finding a decent garage to rent nearby.
I’ve thought about a Lupo GTI as a possible modern classic but even that is probably too powerful to drive in the way that I did with my smallest engined cars.


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Small and light for me. All started a long long time ago when I upgraded from an Anglia de luxe 997cc to an Anglia super 1200cc cause it had an extra 7bhp Woo Hoo! But I hated it and the original 997cc engine was far more revvy and fun. Only kept the 1200 super a few months and went back to the 997 de luxe, heaven restored.
More recently All my prayers were satisfied when I bought my Westfield with 200bhp and weighs in at 560kilos. Only use it in the warmer months on the road and a few track days a year. Rear wheel drive in a plastic bathtub is where it's at for driving pleasure, nothing can beat it.
Must admit a big bruising V8 motor for touring long distance does work for me as well (had an Audi S4 for a while) but can't justify the costs of running such a car for the occasional long journey.
Had some cash burning a hole in my pocket a few weeks ago so I bought a Pug 205gti, 1600cc of course, great little car for the B roads.
If you have some spare cash go small and light if you really like driving.
 
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205s are v appealing, we had quite a few Pugs in the 80s and they were all a hoot, GTI prices are getting steamy now though!


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No, I’ve not bought a lightweight runabout as I might need all my spare cash to switch up to an RS7 or keep my A7 and buy a proper classic for occasional use. Unfortunately I’ve only got a driveway but no garage so getting a classic relies on me finding a decent garage to rent nearby.
I’ve thought about a Lupo GTI as a possible modern classic but even that is probably too powerful to drive in the way that I did with my smallest engined cars.


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Wife had Lupo GTI on 24hr test drive years ago. The 6 speed was probably one of the best engine and gearbox combos I’ve ever driven. Unfortunately for me she went for a Clio 182 - nothing wrong but the Lupo GTI was special.

Other small cars I’ve had are
Daihatsu Charade GTti (x2) - japs were trail blazers for small 3 cylinder turbos.

Nova Sport (rally homologation) with twin 40 carbs. It took ages to warm up and run properly, but it was the scariest car I have EVER owned.

Abarth 500c SS - like driving in a cartoon and made you smile every time you drove it.

I definitely say small - you can’t defy the laws of physics, although a little power is good!
 
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You can’t beat stuff like a Clio Sport for fun. Cheap, light and quick. Very predictable in the corners so you can find the limit without risking it all.
 
I love lightweight car's, I've had Starlet GT Turbo's and a couple other "pocket rockets" which have been fantastic and the great thing about them is a 10bhp mod is like the the equivalent of a 30bhp mod on a heavy car. Heavier car's generally feel allot safer though and are more confidence inspiring. Not many new lightweight car's too due to safety regulations and stuff (unless your paying big money) which is ashame.
 
I try to work on bhp/tonne as that way the car is always fast whatever the weight eg RS3 is about 260/T and feels plenty fast enough.

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Thanks for the replies. Insurance is coming up in April and I’m seriously considering ditching the octy vrs for something lighter and cheaper. Has anyone that’s gone from big power missed it after the honeymoon period?
 
Ignore the first two on this list, and I've recently bought an S4 cabriolet, but the last four are all good cars, though the Ford is probably the poorest built, it does tickle me when they say about the running costs of the Subaru and then quote 30 mpg, I dream of seeing the 20 mpg they quote for the S4!
The reason why cars such as the Ford Escort RS1600 & Mexico were such fun to drive was because although the engines weren't as powerful as modern cars their weight was comparatively low, no electric windows, seats, air bags, air con etc. and the driver knew where the limit of the car was. Nowadays the cars will often out perform the driver and because of it you come away disappointed.
A few years ago I had a 1974 Kawasaki H2B 750 cc motorcycle and more recently an Aprilia Tuono 1100 V4R, the thrills on the Kawasaki came at anything up to 90 - 95 mph and anything more was a death wish. The Aprilia with 8 way traction control, launch control, anti wheelie control, ABS etc was an absolute weapon but I found myself riding it like an idiot simply to get the same thrill that the Kawasaki gave me at much lower speeds.
https://www.driving.co.uk/car-clinic/six-fantastically-fun-used-cars-for-6000/
 
In my teens, I drove a 1967 Vauxhall Viva with a 1.1litre engine knocking out about 45BHP. It only weighed about 700kg, but even so, it took about 20 seconds to reach 60 before going on to an indicated max of 85 with a helping tail-wind. However, I could "power" slide it at will in barely damp conditions, because of the primitive suspension and budget radials (155 x 12!). So it taught me the basics about RWD opposite-locking without ever putting me at risk.

That was followed by a Sunbeam Stilletto; anyone who knows their old cars will remember this was the performance coupe version of a Hillan Imp; rear-mounted 875cc all-alloy engine that could rev to over 7,000rpm. I had an absolute riot in that, but quickly learned that servo-assisted drum brakes on the front of a rear-engined car would lock up in the dry unless you treated the pedal like an unboiled egg.

Would I rather drive either of those cars now instead of my S4; hell no! Am I glad I drove them when I did; hell yes! :)
 
As an afterthought, isn't this whole modest-power modest-weight thing what Toyota has tried to tap into with the GT86?
 
In my teens, I drove a 1967 Vauxhall Viva with a 1.1litre engine knocking out about 45BHP. It only weighed about 700kg, but even so, it took about 20 seconds to reach 60 before going on to an indicated max of 85 with a helping tail-wind. However, I could "power" slide it at will in barely damp conditions, because of the primitive suspension and budget radials (155 x 12!). So it taught me the basics about RWD opposite-locking without ever putting me at risk.

That was followed by a Sunbeam Stilletto; anyone who knows their old cars will remember this was the performance coupe version of a Hillan Imp; rear-mounted 875cc all-alloy engine that could rev to over 7,000rpm. I had an absolute riot in that, but quickly learned that servo-assisted drum brakes on the front of a rear-engined car would lock up in the dry unless you treated the pedal like an unboiled egg.

Would I rather drive either of those cars now instead of my S4; hell no! Am I glad I drove them when I did; hell yes! :)

Perhaps a 68 HB GT would be more interesting, recalling tail happy RWD fun I had a Ford Cortina Mk.V 2.3 Ghia that was breathed on and that was tail happy even in the dry. :)
 
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Perhaps a 68 HB GT would be more interesting, recalling tail happy RWD fun I had a Ford Cortina Mk.V 2.3 Ghia that was breathed on and that was tail happy even in the dry. :)
Yes; my mother-in-law had a 2.3 Cortina Ghia (not breathed on, though). I, by then, had moved on to an Opel Ascona 1.9SR; considered a slightly more sophisicated version of the RWD live-axle platform than Ford could manage at the time. Still happy to play tunes on the throttle, though, without having to drive at scary speeds.
 
Yes; my mother-in-law had a 2.3 Cortina Ghia (not breathed on, though). I, by then, had moved on to an Opel Ascona 1.9SR; considered a slightly more sophisicated version of the RWD live-axle platform than Ford could manage at the time. Still happy to play tunes on the throttle, though, without having to drive at scary speeds.
A guy I knew had a tuning company at the time and courtesy of a write off it benefited from a pair of Swaymar heads, tubular exhaust manifolds, Webber carb and K&N filter, it surprised quite a few sportier cars. :)
 
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I had an exige 260S a little over three hundred horse and miss that car dearly, would give up my high horsepower car in a heart beat for a newer exige if we could get a street legal version in North America. i spent many days on the track in that car and never an issue, the high horsepower car, a garage
 
Drove a Series 1 Lotus Elsie way back , what a hoot , road legal go-kart .
 
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