cr 170 dpf delete & remap

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just after some personal experience. My last diesel was the pd170 and when i had it mapped and dpf removed, it instantly slipped the clutch, and i was forced to upgrade. However after pulling the file when having a true custom map written. the torque spike was horrific, which could explain the clutch not holding. Or couldve been bad luck, with a mixture of 90k miles taking its toll. now i defiantly dont want to pay for a new clutch again. so just after some reviews on how there cr170's once mapped with dpf removed is holding out and where they went. Narco tuning keeps being mentioned ( please no comments regarding mot as its not a problem for me)
 
Interest to know too... My old engine was the 140 bkd with a hybrid turbo AND uprated clutch. Looking at a remap or turbo kit for my new cr 170 but if I increase the power, wondering how the clutch will hold. currently on 61,000 miles
 
Not had DPF removed on my 170 CR but it was remapped at 28k and no issues with clutch at 49k now. I left the DPF as I don't really see the benefit of removing it. It never causes a problem although I do about 30 miles a day and it regenerates fine clearing soot levels down to around 30% each time with just normal driving. ( I occasionally monitor it via an APP on my phone )
 
Jps3290 said:
Not had DPF removed on my 170 CR but it was remapped at 28k and no issues with clutch at 49k now. I left the DPF as I don't really see the benefit of removing it. It never causes a problem although I do about 30 miles a day and it regenerates fine clearing soot levels down to around 30% each time with just normal driving. ( I occasionally monitor it via an APP on my phone )
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plenty of benefits from removing it, but i dont want to start a dpf thread..... just how a cr170 clutch is holding when theyve had theres removed and mapped (asking for someone whos done both, obvs due to the extra power ) although cheers for youre comment and glad its ok for you.
 
Mines a cr140, I had mine mapped last year but left the dpf in place purely because I want to fit a dark side delete pipe at a later date.

The map instantly transformed the car. The cr lump feels so much smoother and revvy compared to the PD. Mines done around 20k miles since the map and the clutch feels the same as it did on day one.
 
Had my cr170 remapped to 200bhp & 460nm torque last year, done 20k miles since (now 132k), still on original clutch with no slippage!! Don't believe all the ***** about upgrading your clutch unless it's had a harsh life.
 
depends on the quality of the file.. the PD is naturally strong anyway. putting a 80nm on top when the turbo kicks in will kill the clutch, if you have a quality progressive map you wont get that.. you shouldnt have to change with Stage 1 + DPF delete.
 
Sherv said:
Had my cr170 remapped to 200bhp & 460nm torque last year, done 20k miles since (now 132k), still on original clutch with no slippage!! Don't believe all the ***** about upgrading your clutch unless it's had a harsh life.
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the confidence boosting comment i like to read. thanks for that
 
Choose wisely , the torque curve is everything .

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Im looking at probably going to a place in sheff called SLT. would be the decider if anyone has a graph of there lines written from his maps.
 
Jps3290 said:
Not had DPF removed on my 170 CR but it was remapped at 28k and no issues with clutch at 49k now. I left the DPF as I don't really see the benefit of removing it. It never causes a problem although I do about 30 miles a day and it regenerates fine clearing soot levels down to around 30% each time with just normal driving. ( I occasionally monitor it via an APP on my phone )
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What app do you use to monitor the DPF levels? Never really worked on torque remember seeing you have to add custom PAID to get values?
 
Wow Gaz was that a MAP done by Darkside or reading someone else's ***** map?
 
:wtf: wow I'm really shocked by that

As their mechanical work seems bang on and so do some of the parts I've previously bought from them such as egr delete mods
 
Still have my A3, about 5 years now on a 2010 plate.
2.0 tdi CR 170bhp remapped to around 205bhp with REVO.
Map was done a long time ago, I have just hit 237,000 with no problems.

Same clutch.
Same turbo.
Same DPF, not removed or deleted.
Same EGR valve, not removed or deleted.

My trick, if you can call it that.
I change the oil and filter every 5000 to 8000 miles with 5W/30 long life.
Seems to work for me.
 
Why do you want your engine to ingest hot soot , we have panel filters that should provide only cool filtered air and deleting the dpf will give a genuine mpg gain .
 
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Gazwould said:
Why do you want your engine to ingest hot soot , we have panel filters that should provide only cool filtered air and deleting the dpf will give a genuine mpg gain .
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Its worked just fine for 237,000!

Play with your engine if you must, I'm happy with mine and 237,000 is proof of that!!
 
Rare .

My father this year ( non VAG ) had Stage 1 egr and dpf delete , his mileage was just sub 50k and the dpf and egr were in perfect condition .

Drove down over an hour on the A303 , drove back with much more power and torque and 6 mpg better .

Think of all that money you could of saved over your big mileage .

Dpf and egr are the devil .



 
After serving in the Royal Navy for 32 years as an engineer, I'm a firm believing in: if its not broke, don't fix it!

Another reason I never took my car in for the emissions recall, its working fine, leave well alone, 237K has proved that!!

On the other hand, it would seem people who took their cars in for recall have, had problems no end afterwards.
Its the same with cheap/bad remaps!

Why I went for REVO, not cheap but tried and tested.

John.
 
Gazwould said:
2.0 tdi balancer shaft 77mm oil pump drive , not broke , don't fix it ?
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Mine has not failed after 237K, that speaks volumes!
There was a pole done of this very forum about it, I think it was less than 1%!

Scare mongering again Gaz, how is your Audi??

If anything should fail on my car now, I would just get it replaced, I think I've had my moneys worth don't you!!
You wont even believe what I paid for this car at two years old from the Auctions, well under £10K.

Look at my wife's Pug in the last year: new clutch, new head gasket, new alternator, new fan & radiator, new water pump, new exhaust the list goes on.

Now look at my Audi over the last SEVEN years, new flap runner motor and four sensors, that's it!!
 
Dee60 said:
What app do you use to monitor the DPF levels? Never really worked on torque remember seeing you have to add custom PAID to get values?
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On google play, app called VAG DPF. Paid for version gives more info than free version ;)
 
I always average 58 to 64mpg on my 17 mile commute from my Quattro 170 TDI mapped to around 206bhp with DPF still in and working fine. Even when I have a heavy foot it still gives decent MPG.
 
Gazwould said:
You definitely have a 77mm or 100mm on 237K ?
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I have no idea!

Not something I thought about taking apart in the last five years of ownership!
I bought the car at two years old from the auctions with 40K on the clock.
So, I have done 197K of those 237K miles.
 
Jps3290 said:
On google play, app called VAG DPF. Paid for version gives more info than free version ;)
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Thanks! I will have a look at this, and in the previous post I meant PID, so you can get the values in the torque app :)

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Jps3290 said:
I always average 58 to 64mpg on my 17 mile commute from my Quattro 170 TDI mapped to around 206bhp with DPF still in and working fine. Even when I have a heavy foot it still gives decent MPG.
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Same here!

But people say DPF is the devil or needs changing lol

I would think 237K is solid enough facts for me.

Plus what is the legal side of this???
 
well, thats this thread gone lol. would be nice to stick to the topic of how youre clutches are holding with a map and dpf delete on the cr170. Although its getting done next month anyway.
 
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Cornish John said:
Mine has not failed after 237K, that speaks volumes!
There was a pole done of this very forum about it, I think it was less than 1%!
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We are never going to get the full picture about this but I would bet my life on it it's higher than 1% .

It was only subjected to a recall in South Korea , strangely !

Most with failures I imagine aren't on a VAG forum , get recovered to a dealer or garage , VAG dealers aren't going to release that information..

And discusted some will have turned their back on the marque .

Your longevity of everything is testiment to your great servicing and correct type of journeys which is a minority . Every day is a dpf and egr day .

Those with a 77mm should not ignore , yourself coming from an engineering background I'm astonished as there are multiple engineering faults with oem.

Just Oct 18th a guy on another forum that knew of the issue for 5 years has been bitten and he now wishes he'd upgraded the key and balancer shaft , I don't know how he's got on ( also potential engine and turbo damage ) because he hasn't updated since the 18th but potentially for anyone it's a sub £500 fix or thousands or scrapyard.

And here last month with a 2008 CAGA.

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Those who have upgraded as a preventative , highly recommend .

I quote @BarLyn

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"It's mad to think that something so small could cause so much damage! She's getting a new turbo tomorrow as well as her annual service - total bill will come in at around £1600. Considering I've had the car for three years and knew this could/would happen, I'm urging anyone who hasn't done, just get the modified balance shaft - it will save you a lot of pain!"


And @Mario

" This is the difference between old & new on my car when it came out at about 78,000 miles before it failed completely....



Both posted yesterday .
 
Also, to add to the above, when I went to open up the module the hex shaft was stuck in the balance shaft as it was starting to round over, you know in the same way a spanner gets stuck on a nut in-between flats as its starting to round off the nut.

Definitely would not risk it.
 
Dee60 said:
Thanks! I will have a look at this, and in the previous post I meant PID, so you can get the values in the torque app :)

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Quick screen shot of mine last night on way home from work. Reg starts when it hits 99%. Depending on the journeys I do this is usually between 350 to 650 miles . Doesn't take long once started either, on average around 8 minutes if I keep revs up above 2k. If I drive normally i.e. cruising while it regens it can take double and you can see it struggle to keep DPF temp above 500c and also doesn't clean it as well leaving it more sooted up (according to readings) once it finishes.

Its interesting to watch lol
 

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Quick screen shot of mine last night on way home from work. Reg starts when it hits 99%. Depending on the journeys I do this is usually between 350 to 650 miles . Doesn't take long once started either, on average around 8 minutes if I keep revs up above 2k. If I drive normally i.e. cruising while it regens it can take double and you can see it struggle to keep DPF temp above 500c and also doesn't clean it as well leaving it more sooted up (according to readings) once it finishes.

Its interesting to watch lol
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Yeahh I've just downloaded the pro version, will have a mess around on it on the way home today thanks again

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Gazwould said:
2.0 tdi balancer shaft 77mm oil pump drive , not broke , don't fix it ?
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What cars does this supposedly affect? I've got a 59 reg 170 tdi on 90000 miles but I've only had it about 8 months.
I've done some googling but it's only fetching up stories about a4's.
 
BVG, BVS, BBA, BRD, BRE, CAGA, CAGB, CAHA, CAHB, CAGC

It's less pravelent on the common rail as some
( no pattern to it ) got an OK oem 100mm drive .
 
Currently want to remap my audi a3 wld u guy say its safe to do so ??? And which panel filter is good to get heard oily filters can damage maf sensors ???
 
Gazwould said:
It's less pravelent on the common rail as some
( no pattern to it ) got an OK oem 100mm drive .
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There is a bit of a pattern, as the change was made on engines built after Feb 2010, but realistically you could have a May 2010 car with a Jan 2010 engine, so it's difficult to find the cut off, but from 2011 I would have said you're golden.
 
Gazwould said:
BVG, BVS, BBA, BRD, BRE, CAGA, CAGB, CAHA, CAHB, CAGC

It's less pravelent on the common rail as some
( no pattern to it ) got an OK oem 100mm drive .
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I messaged a local vag specialist last night and he said he had seen it once in 10 years on an a3 so not to worry.
He said it mainly affects the PD a4's and a6's with longitudinal engines and to be fair when I did research online that is what everything I found online pointed to aswell so he pretty much confirmed what I found online.
 
The PD bit is right as CR could be 77mm 50/50 , plenty of transverse VW BKP have been affected .
 
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