The death of Derv
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300 miles is the absolute generous “tops” figure banded about by the “greenies” at Tesla – most other electric cars are well below that. It’s achievable assuming the wind is in the right direction, that the ambient temperature is neither too hot or too cold AND that the owner operates nice even charge-use-charge cycles so that the batteries do not self-destruct – as many Teslas have done in the past – hence they had to tweak their warranty in 2013.I've no technical knowledge or understanding of these matters. But I'm interested in Dr Eskimo's comment about a 300 mile range being ample.
Spot on. Although I don't think anyone was claiming current EVs could realistically get 300miles? I think the debate was whether in the future, EVs that could do 300miles realistically would be sufficient?
And agree, the battery condition is a major worry, and something that will massively influence my decision to buy one.
However...I pose this question...how is the current situation any better or different? In terms of diesels (blimey I've managed to get back OT!) you have to drive them at high speeds, at high RPM to allow the DPF to regen. Even then, they still have a finite life and will eventually get clogged up leading to a relatively costly replacement? Have I understood this right?
One thing is for sure, no manufacturer will offer you a 8yr/unlimited warranty on a DPF....and no manufacturer will treat a customer quite as well as Tesla have done for this chap (yes yes, its just one case...).
http://insideevs.com/tesla-model-s-battery-failure-free-replacement-battery-video/
I think you are suggesting that I think EVs are perfect...they aren't, I completely agree with all your points, but the vast majority of the ones you raise are shared by any car today, so thats not anything new to experience of car ownership.
I haven't bought one because most of them are about as exciting as a puddle to drive, look hideous and cost too much. Only one I would consider owning is a Model S, but that costs upwards of £60k! I also cant charge one at home and they are a PITA if you do long distance journeys like JDP. They still have many advantages though, and I can easily see them being a good choice for many motorists in the next 10yrs as the technology improves along with the infrastructure. I also think that today, many city dwellers and short commuters would massively benefit from them over a diesel or even petrol, but would only advise this personally with a good lease deal. Depreciation is eye watering and would completely negate any savings in running costs.
Just had a read through this post.
The graph posted is interesting to me in that it does show that diesel cars can meet emission levels in both the laboratory and on the road. And strangely enough despite dieselgate the only cars meeting or exceeding the limits are VAG TDI's. And 8 out of the 10 least polluting cars are VAG cars.
The issue as I see it is that the testing regime doesn't accurately represent the real world running for cars. This is not a new idea people have known this for years and manufacturers go to great lengths to modify there cars to do well in these lab tests. And of course we all know some manufacturers went a little too far.
That why from September 2017 it's all going to get a bit more difficult for manufacturers to get their cars certified as the Real Driving Emissions (RDE ) test will be brought in.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...8/vehicle-emissions-testing-programme-web.pdf
Also the WLTP tests which will replace the current urban / extra urban tests will come in. These more closely model the real world with much harsher acceleration and higher speeds over much longer times. Also there are different tests for different sizes of vchicles. So a Polo will be doing a different test to an A6 .
https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/cycles/wltp.php
All this should improve the position for diesel vehicles. As for electric vehicles they are not the complete answer, how many people don't have access to a charging point. How are you going to charge your car if you park on the road 50 yds from your house ? . Or you live on the 10th floor of a block of flats.
Personally I have just swapped the wifes car a 1.4 diesel to a 1.2 TSI petrol because the modern diesels are just no good for short in town journeys every day. They are just not as economical or reliable with all the emissions stuff fitted.
The graph posted is interesting to me in that it does show that diesel cars can meet emission levels in both the laboratory and on the road. And strangely enough despite dieselgate the only cars meeting or exceeding the limits are VAG TDI's. And 8 out of the 10 least polluting cars are VAG cars.
The issue as I see it is that the testing regime doesn't accurately represent the real world running for cars. This is not a new idea people have known this for years and manufacturers go to great lengths to modify there cars to do well in these lab tests. And of course we all know some manufacturers went a little too far.
That why from September 2017 it's all going to get a bit more difficult for manufacturers to get their cars certified as the Real Driving Emissions (RDE ) test will be brought in.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploa...8/vehicle-emissions-testing-programme-web.pdf
Also the WLTP tests which will replace the current urban / extra urban tests will come in. These more closely model the real world with much harsher acceleration and higher speeds over much longer times. Also there are different tests for different sizes of vchicles. So a Polo will be doing a different test to an A6 .
https://www.dieselnet.com/standards/cycles/wltp.php
All this should improve the position for diesel vehicles. As for electric vehicles they are not the complete answer, how many people don't have access to a charging point. How are you going to charge your car if you park on the road 50 yds from your house ? . Or you live on the 10th floor of a block of flats.
Personally I have just swapped the wifes car a 1.4 diesel to a 1.2 TSI petrol because the modern diesels are just no good for short in town journeys every day. They are just not as economical or reliable with all the emissions stuff fitted.
The crazy world of “green economics” and the EV story. The “greenies” get very hot under the collar about companies not paying enough tax and yet companies like Tesla have government tax breaks and subsidies heaped upon them – all paid for by the hard-pressed, working normal person. To add insult to injury, Tesla then produce an impractical and expensive supercar that only a relatively few, rich people in places like California can afford, so that they can drive around polishing their halo. I wonder what would happen if such cars had to compete in the marketplace on a like-for-like basis?
And just to clarify, the 'EV story' includes The World Health Organisation 'guessing' on the impact of diesel exhaust on respiratory health conditions, thousands of top climate scientists and physicists taking part in a global conspiracy to publish hundreds of independent, peer-reviewed scientific journals showing evidence of anthropogenic climate change through increased CO2, and millions of pounds from multi-billion pound 'green companies' influencing central government...?
What's the point of worrying about vehicle emissions if we're going to get cancer from eating toast?
This apparently all came about from a study using mice....I was more impressed that they managed to train mice to make toast....
"Ex" = somebody who is finished, "spurt" a drip under pressure. 
In 2007 an “expert” using his “clever model”, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski predicted that Arctic summer sea ice was vanishing so fast that by 2013 it could all be gone and in any event that it would disappear no later than 2016. A few years later its volume went back up by 33 per cent in a single bound. He has since moved the goalposts (what clever people call a “nuance of the statistical likelihood theory” – see above). 
In 2007 an “expert” using his “clever model”, Professor Wieslaw Maslowski predicted that Arctic summer sea ice was vanishing so fast that by 2013 it could all be gone and in any event that it would disappear no later than 2016. A few years later its volume went back up by 33 per cent in a single bound. He has since moved the goalposts (what clever people call a “nuance of the statistical likelihood theory” – see above).
"Ex" = somebody who is finished, "spurt" a drip under pressure.
How interesting...!
Have you got a link to these two papers...?
(Yes this will eventually lead to another lengthy post where I explain the complexities of scientific research and demonstrate how just because you don't understand it, doesn't mean it's not true...of course I don't know why I keep bothering as you just seem to post nonsense statements, I refute it, and you make absolutely no attempt to defend it and move on to another equally ridiculous point...I mean I spent ages writing why you were so incredibly and completely wrong about how scientific research is just guessing, and you didn't even try and defend your ridiculous claim...!)
Brilliant, to quote that famous line from some film I think I've seen " you said it all man"
The definition of an expert I use is similar
ex - an unknown quantity
spurt - a drip under pressure.
This must be one of those precise, accurate and scientific numbers you like to discuss. Does it include Charlotte Church
