custom remap ? over generic tune revo/apr

Yes this is a brilliant turbo and now completely exclusive to Revo, Turbo Technics won't supply it to any other tuning company.

There is so much more to tuning than peak numbers, consistent performance and reliability to name a few.
Revo development and testing is exhaustive, we tune to the levels we do for good reason, if we wanted to get 500+ we'd do it, but again as I say there is good reason not to, we tune for longevity. Revo also quote conservatively on figures as I've said above.

If you want to chase figures and push things, go for it and enjoy...

More about peak numbers -

PEAK POWER FIGURES EXPLAINED TECHNICAL SUPPORT

"How much power will my car get?", "What’s the power figure?", "My car has 10bhp more than yours!" These are all commonly asked questions...

…so what does an individual power figure actually mean?

The general consensus is the higher the number the better, numbers sell. A 300hp car sounds much better than a 280hp car! But in reality what can you tell by these numbers?

First of all quoted power and torque numbers are peak figures, they are the highest seen figures on a power or torque curve. They tell you what power and torque a vehicle is making on that dyno but those figures are really only useful for bragging rights at the bar with your friends. For a true indication of how a vehicle will feel and where the benefits of tuning can be seen you need to assess the power and torque curves, as they say its the ‘power under the curve’ that makes the difference.

In the below example there are three power curves, the purple is stock, the red is Revo and the dashed blue line is hypothetical:

Dyno_graph_example.jpg
On paper the dashed blue line makes the most power as it peaks nearly 10bhp higher, however from 2400rpm through to 6000rpm the red curve makes a lot more power. At 3500rpm the red curve is 50bhp more than the dashed blue curve. On the road a car running the red curve (with a lower power output) would be a much quicker car. This is a good example of how a peak number can be very deceptive and not tell the full story. You can see the difference in the area under the curves and how much more the red curve has gained throughout the rev range in comparison to the dashed blue curve.

Revo software is always developed with drivability in mind, we don’t go chasing peak numbers but getting the balance between power and drivability is key. With our adjustable software the power/torque curves can be altered to suit a variation of driving style and requirements.

Whilst an understanding of peak figures and power under the curve is important, it’s just as important to understand that rolling road results can and do vary and aren’t always a true representation of what a car will do in the real world.

http://www.revotechnik.com/support/technical/rolling-roads-explained
 
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Dandanfings said:
I know this turbo, makes over 500bhp with MRC :relaxed:
But thats a custom tune.....
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Is this Will's car? No
Revo Steve-W said:
Revo is custom software developed on each platform to give the ultimate results, it's then adjustable and switchable for individual cars to 'fine tune/switch fueling'
In effect, why change the recipe when you've spent months, sometimes over a year developing and perfecting it? then come up with something that hasn't tested globally or in many differing climates to ensure all round reliability and performance.
If you were to replace your car with one with the exact same ECU I.D and specification, then tell me you wouldn't want the same software that you're completely happy with, fine adjusted to suit your new car? Things also change over time or with fuel qualities, so another advantage of Revo is say you're travelling overseas and having to run a differing fuel grade, then you can adjust/switch your file adjusted to suit and adapt.

I'm not going to get into a tit for tat over individual companies, like I say several options, all depending what you want, however with Revo you know you'll have Performance, Drive-ability and 'Reliability'....
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Not tit for tat, just stating that having a custom tune is far superior
 
Not tit for tat, just stating that having a custom tune is far superior
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In terms of outright power ?
 
xpoweruk said:
In terms of outright power ?
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In terms of driveability.
I've had Apr software stg 1 then went stage 2
The power delivery now is in a totally different league, I've raced a revo tuned and Apr tuned s3 8v & golf r at crail raceway and time after time beaten the other cars by a big margin, at the moment my car only had an intercooler, turbo technics intake pipe and r600 intake, Apr dsg map and Mrc custom tune. I took my decat off before going to Mrc for their map so it's basically a stg1 tune I have. The guy in the black Revo tuned s3 8v couldn't understand why there was such a huge gap when racing (both cars dsg.)
I took him for a run in my car and he thought it was awesome.
So my statement still stands as a custom map is far superior to a generic Apr/Revo map. And I agree it's not all about peak figures, albeit the peak figures were slightly higher on mrc's tune.
 
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RedS3Reilly said:
Is this Will's car? No

Not tit for tat, just stating that having a custom tune is far superior
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yep and im certain it is the same turbo as he gets them from turbo technics, revo were going to use TTE turbos before and even previewed a stage 3 with it.
 
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Dandanfings said:
yep and im certain it is the same turbo as he gets them from turbo technics, revo were going to use TTE turbos before and even previewed a stage 3 with it.
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We never planned to use the TTE turbo as a long term solution, it was purely used for development to be able to test the engine at higher output for reliability and start developing the Stage 3 software whilst awaiting a turbo solution.

The Turbo Technics turbo is completely exclusive to Revo, no other tuner can supply this turbo new moving forward.
 
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I've been quoted £718.20 inc Vat for stage 1 from my local revo approved dealer. Does this sound about right?
 
I'll stick with the IS38, gives near enough 400bhp/435ft-lb and no lag.
 
Any vbox figures for these MRC maps? 1/4 mile times?
 
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What happened to your tte525 turbo mate?


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on its way to america, end of august i will explain everything.
in the mean time i advise everyone to hold off on remapping with a generic tune as what i will say is pretty serious....
 
Have you ever tuned a car before dandanfings? Honestly I've never herd so much rubbish about generic maps in my life!

I had a Revo code on my 07 Cupra for the best part of 4 years banged in one of the quickest 1/4 mile times for a fwd manual and it never missed a beat!!

Do you honestly think MRC create a completely new map for every car? I bet they have a generic file tweak a few things and sell it as custom.

Going back to the Revo code by playing with the SPS and different boost settings timing and fuel you could tune the car and make the car feel very different it wouldn't surprise me if thats what MRC are doing.
 
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RobH_S3 said:
Have you ever tuned a car before dandanfings? Honestly I've never herd so much rubbish about generic maps in my life!

I had a Revo code on my 07 Cupra for the best part of 4 years banged in one of the quickest 1/4 mile times for a fwd manual and it never missed a beat!!

Do you honestly think MRC create a completely new map for every car? I bet they have a generic file tweak a few things and sell it as custom.

Going back to the Revo code by playing with the SPS and different boost settings timing and fuel you could tune the car and make the car feel very different it wouldn't surprise me if thats what MRC are doing.
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so you know best what works well with your car when playing with the SPS?
of course tuners have a base file, but every single car is different and are never the same and all require tweaking, you need to be able to view exactly what the ecu is doing which cannot be done by changing settings on a little box or menu.

Of ALL the tuners, i wouldn't touch this one with a barge pole after the S4 (3.0 supercharged) file shenanigans along with the 1.4tsi twin charge, most of the threads are gone now but i have a memory like an elephant.... last time i checked they don't even own a dyno.

Im also not to happy with APR presently and will most likely not be using their products again... but as mentioned this will be for another time.
 
Dandanfings said:
so you know best what works well with your car when playing with the SPS?
of course tuners have a base file, but every single car is different and are never the same and all require tweaking, you need to be able to view exactly what the ecu is doing which cannot be done by changing settings on a little box or menu.

Of ALL the tuners, i wouldn't touch this one with a barge pole after the S4 (3.0 supercharged) file shenanigans along with the 1.4tsi twin charge, most of the threads are gone now but i have a memory like an elephant.... last time i checked they don't even own a dyno.

Im also not to happy with APR presently and will most likely not be using their products again... but as mentioned this will be for another time.
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Well yeah because what we used to do is use vagcom and log what was happening to see what the effects were after adjusting the settings!! Yes seeing what the ecu is doing can be done and was done many times by many people on the mk5 platform!

Why another time?

Further to add the vender you use for the tune is just as important! Simply rocking up at a Revo/APR dealer letting them load it on and driving off isn't what it is about really. After a map the car should still be logged to make sure everything is running correct, i know few venders actually do this and thats the main problem!
 
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So you are clearly talking about revo & too much timing advance (S4) over the pond I think ??
 
I do a lot of Golf 7R's - we have some of the quickest standard turbo cars in the country. I really need to get back on here and publicise for the S3 as it's the exact same drivetrain setup!

My Stage 2 cars have run 100-200 in less than 9 seconds, breaking into the 11.5's at santa pod. Stage 1 cars still manage to dip into the 11's.

Every single car I do is 100% custom tuned, but I agree that there is a lot of garbage out there claiming to be custom tuned which is far from it. It helps my own daily driver is a road/track and dyno R&D car!

I also do a custom DSG map, which optimises shift points (you can request and tailor these) full manual mode, increased clutch clamp pressure, faster reacting paddles, etc.

Thanks, Rick
 
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I also know
RobH_S3 said:
Have you ever tuned a car before dandanfings? Honestly I've never herd so much rubbish about generic maps in my life!

I had a Revo code on my 07 Cupra for the best part of 4 years banged in one of the quickest 1/4 mile times for a fwd manual and it never missed a beat!!

Do you honestly think MRC create a completely new map for every car? I bet they have a generic file tweak a few things and sell it as custom.

Going back to the Revo code by playing with the SPS and different boost settings timing and fuel you could tune the car and make the car feel very different it wouldn't surprise me if thats what MRC are doing.
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you should look at the big picture and stop being all defensive of your generic map.
I've had both and know first hand the difference each one makes
 
RedS3Reilly said:
I also know

you should look at the big picture and stop being all defensive of your generic map.
I've had both and know first hand the difference each one makes
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In truth you don't know what the guys doing with his laptop do you?

At the end of the day i know when a map is a good one, generic or custom doesn't bother me.
 
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Well this thread is going exactly the way I expected it to...
REVO, Shark, APR, GIAC all have their place. Like I said I was all set for REVO but I got impatient. I've had Shark on my previous car, and I'm now running an MTM M-Cantronic box (almost a piggyback ECU) because my ECU hadn't been unlocked. A good quality flash map won't be a bad thing; neither will a bespoke dyno'd tune, and for that matter one of the high end tuning boxes (Abt, MTM) will also be a good option. How about we all stop the slanging matches and accept all of them have a place within the tuning world?
 
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RobH_S3 said:
In truth you don't know what the guys doing with his laptop do you?

At the end of the day i know when a map is a good one, generic or custom doesn't bother me.
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I do know, as I personally know them, but hey if your happy
 
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MikeParkin said:
So what was the issue @Dandanfings
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Still collecting info from pretty much the world over, it was looking like one tuning company alone is causing certain engine vulnerabilities to trigger in a pretty serious way.
But now its looking like there is more than one company so perhaps its all tuning in general on the EA888.
 
Dan, I take it that's stage 3 level? I heard few engines blown lately.

It's not to do with stage 1/2 at all I take it?
 
After a quick google,it appears that some PPL think the EA888 is already running close to its limits from the factory ??
 
batch said:
Well this thread is going exactly the way I expected it to...
REVO, Shark, APR, GIAC all have their place. Like I said I was all set for REVO but I got impatient. I've had Shark on my previous car, and I'm now running an MTM M-Cantronic box (almost a piggyback ECU) because my ECU hadn't been unlocked. A good quality flash map won't be a bad thing; neither will a bespoke dyno'd tune, and for that matter one of the high end tuning boxes (Abt, MTM) will also be a good option. How about we all stop the slanging matches and accept all of them have a place within the tuning world?
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Agree, a lot of folk getting their backs up and being all defensive of what they have bought into, keep an open mind and accept there are better and worse options available and myself having bought both generic & custom I now know which one suits my car best.
 
I'm a massive Unicorn fan, not to many people seem to be onto him on this forum and are always going on about APR/Revo.

But what people are missing is the fact Rick has created the quickest stock turbo R's in Europe and pretty much the world!

My car done constant 11.5-11.6 quarters last time at pod while only running 1.8 60ft's. It was also doing 120mph terminals. Have a look around, you will not find any Revo or APR car on a standard turbo doing them times and traps, garuntee'd! Wayne's stage 2 Unicorn R was smashing 11.6's last time at pod, think that's the second quickest time in Europe for standard turbo.

My car on the road constantly does sub 3.5's to 60 and even dips into the 7's to 100. Also doing 8.8-9.0 100-200.

I know plenty of guys with Unicorn R's and S3's that have had serious abuse and they're running perfect too.

The proof is in the pudding at the end of the day and the times is where it really matters, not on the dyno, that's just for people who want to willy wave. My car makes 385-390bhp on Ricks rollers but is beating every other car with apparently over 400 horse.

Like Rick said every car is mapped by him on his rollers, not just flashing any old ***** on your car.

If you want a slower car then get an APR/Revo/MRC map, if you want one of the fastest ones then get on Rick. The end.
 
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I'm a massive Unicorn fan, not to many people seem to be onto him on this forum and are always going on about APR/Revo.

But what people are missing is the fact Rick has created the quickest stock turbo R's in Europe and pretty much the world!

My car done constant 11.5-11.6 quarters last time at pod while only running 1.8 60ft's. It was also doing 120mph terminals. Have a look around, you will not find any Revo or APR car on a standard turbo doing them times and traps, garuntee'd! Wayne's stage 2 Unicorn R was smashing 11.6's last time at pod, think that's the second quickest time in Europe for standard turbo.

My car on the road constantly does sub 3.5's to 60 and even dips into the 7's to 100. Also doing 8.8-9.0 100-200.

I know plenty of guys with Unicorn R's and S3's that have had serious abuse and they're running perfect too.

The proof is in the pudding at the end of the day and the times is where it really matters, not on the dyno, that's just for people who want to willy wave. My car makes 385-390bhp on Ricks rollers but is beating every other car with apparently over 400 horse.

Like Rick said every car is mapped by him on his rollers, not just flashing any old ***** on your car.

If you want a slower car then get an APR/Revo/MRC map, if you want one of the fastest ones then get on Rick. The end.
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FUD
THE END!
 
Dandanfings said:
Still collecting info from pretty much the world over, it was looking like one tuning company alone is causing certain engine vulnerabilities to trigger in a pretty serious way.
But now its looking like there is more than one company so perhaps its all tuning in general on the EA888.
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Can you elaborate @Dandanfings
 
Interesting.

Hurry up and finish your investigation Dan so we all know lol.
 
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Well I have asked... @davc

Has anyone else come across anything similar to what @Dandanfings is trying to get at?

Finding this very annoying, coming from someone that was so up for "generic" tuning then changed to "custom" tuning. Now it's all out the window.

Is there anyone else this unhappy with there S3's tuning performance?
 
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Somebody just spell this out in black and white instead of this cloak and dagger sh!t


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Why is everyone taking this guy seriously he measures torque in nanometres
 
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I am from Germany... and can read and write english. But i dont understand what Dandanfing is trying to tell us here?!?


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Its not cloak and dagger, its just that i cant just come out and say something bold because i will be shot down in flames by a few companies and attract the wrong sort of attention.

Tin foil hats everyone......

There seems to be a serious weakness in the pistons used in the EA888, they can crack and fall to pieces.
Now it can happen to anyone tuned or stock, it was looking like one tuner in particular was causing cylinder 3 or 4 to crack lowering compression significantly to cause misfires. But now I have seen cases on bone stock motors.

The cracking tends to happen on the piston edge and sometimes it is so minor it will only drop compression by half a bar, you wouldn't even realise its happened, the car will drive and perform glitch free for thousands of miles or maybe just ten before it 'goes' and requires a rebuild.

Its looking like VW are aware of the problem but in typical big manufacturer style ignoring it, the cynic in me believes this because they have got such a wide compression threshold for when they deem the engine requires a rebuild. So they wont touch it until the engine completely chews itself, this is because it might just last long enough to be outside of warranty.

So what do we do?

I suggest everyone worried does a compression test, if cylinder 3 or 4 are showing to be half a bar or less than the others.... shoot me a PM
Why is it only 3 and 4?
I have no idea, but i have seen about a dozen cases now and they have all been 3 and 4... mostly 4.


So there you go flame me down, call me paranoid or take the mickey because i used a science class term from saying newton-metres (i prefer ft-lbs btw)
 
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