2016 8V A3/S3 Facelift Rumours

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Agreed ... Sportback likely to be this year but saloon will be well into next year if it's 3rd Quarter for USA.

This also keeps the range 'active' with A3/S3 facelift first, then RS3 and then RS3 saloon next year.

Quite clever marketing by Audi really ... as it keeps us all talking about it and looking forward to new product changes & revisions.
 
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Agreed ... Sportback likely to be this year but saloon will be well into next year if it's 3rd Quarter for USA.

This also keeps the range 'active' with A3/S3 facelift first, then RS3 and then RS3 saloon next year.

Quite clever marketing by Audi really ... as it keeps us all talking about it and looking forward to new product changes & revisions.

When will they officially let customers know? Will it be with new brochures for April 2016?
 
When will they officially let customers know? Will it be with new brochures for April 2016?

I'm really not sure but hopefully soon for the A3/S3.
 
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I have just sent an e mail to Audi Uk asking on information on the imminent facelift launch date.....Who knows might get a reply.................or not.:shrug:
 
I have just sent an e mail to Audi Uk asking on information on the imminent facelift launch date.....Who knows might get a reply.................or not.:shrug:

I doubt they will give anything away! Worth a try though
 
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Why would the RS3 not get changed this year with the rest of the model?

The last RS cars recently updated (RS6, RS7, RSQ3) all got the FL treatment the same time.

Am I missing something as to why the RS3 might be different?
 
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Why would the RS3 not get changed this year with the rest of the model?

The last RS cars recently updated (RS6, RS7, RSQ3) all got the FL treatment the same time.

Am I missing something as to why the RS3 might be different?

My thoughts too!
 
But for the fact you're shelling out a tonne of money on something that's instantly outdated the day you pick it up.


Not exactly true, new models and facelifts are years apart - wait for the facelift and be safe in the knowledge it'll be the newest model for the next 3/4 years. It's not like buying a new phone when you know in 12 months time it'll be replaced by a newer model.

It really doesn't matter, and the tonne of money argument doesn't hold water. Look at it this way. We know that the facelift car will be more expensive, despite being 99% exactly the same car. Before the order book closed you could easily get £6000 off a decently spec'd S3. When it reopens the discounts will be far less, but let's be generous and say you could get £3000 off an identical spec'd facelift model.

This means you pay more. £3000 more, for a few generic updates to keep up with the Jones'. Think you'll get that money back? in 3 years time the premium for a used facelift vs. pre facelift of the same year will be about £500 to £1000. Net difference of £2000 - £2500 for a facelift car ordered now. That's a lot of extra cash for a car that's 99% identical, and has only had a midlife refresh consisting of a slightly different lights, bumpers and a couple of toys. And remember, most of these new parts aren't necessarily improvements. They don't fundamentally change the car. They're just slightly 'different'. If the evolutionary changes in previous Audi model lineups is anything to go by, they'll be exceedingly subtle changes as well. The car barely looked any different when it last changed, and that was totally new car.

Whatever you buy, in a years time it will still be a one year old Audi.
 
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Do the brochures get released every April?
They tend to release new brochures either when something changes in the range or when the prices changes. Audi UK released six in 2014 and three in 2015. The brochures are often released a while after any change. Their excuse is that it takes time to get them translated from German!
 
They tend to release new brochures either when something changes in the range or when the prices changes. Audi UK released six in 2014 and three in 2015. The brochures are often released a while after any change. Their excuse is that it takes time to get them translated from German!

Lol good excuse Audi!
 
I don't agree with this.

As many have stated, there will be a price increase on the facelift model, so why compromise a good deal on car you haven't even seen?

Just because it's newer doesn't necessarily mean it's going to be better. Like you said above, you're shelling out a tonne of money, so the smart move would be to spend your money on the car you've seen and like.

Committing yourself to buy a car you've never even seen is the bigger risk in my opinion.
The price increase won't be so drastic, especially if you're getting the car on PCP. And anyway, wait another month or two and you can save up a bit more money to go towards the new car.

Rubbish, a facelift is always going to be better, be it the new improved looks, better standard options or improved engines. You might have seen and liked the current car but once you see the new one you'll be kicking yourself for not waiting.

I wouldn't spend my money on something that'll be out of date the moment I get it. If I wanted the previous model, I'd go and get a second hand car.
 
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The price increase won't be so drastic, especially if you're getting the car on PCP. And anyway, wait another month or two and you can save up a bit more money to go towards the new car.

Rubbish, a facelift is always going to be better, be it the new improved looks, better standard options or improved engines. You might have seen and liked the current car but once you see the new one you'll be kicking yourself for not waiting.

I wouldn't spend my money on something that'll be out of date the moment I get it. If I wanted the previous model, I'd go and get a second hand car.

I think you're exaggerating massively here.

The changes are very, very subtle. The only one really worth a mention is the virtual cockpit, which although very nice isn't exactly gonna make you feel like your driving a 10 year old car just because the previous model doesn't have it.

If anyone can find a car in stock that matches their brief my advice would be to jump all over it and save a decent wedge ;)
 
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Audi will almost certainly be changing the headlights and grill as well so the new one will look different if that's important. I don't think you can order a pre-facelift any more as the factory are not accepting any more orders at least for the 3-door and Sportback.
 
When I bought my 8p I didn't even look at pre facelift cars , the same will happen with the 8v , no matter how much pfl owners deny it , that's what happens . People always want the latest model, better or not ! This has an effect on residuals , as it did with the 8p .
 
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It really doesn't matter, and the tonne of money argument doesn't hold water. Look at it this way. We know that the facelift car will be more expensive, despite being 99% exactly the same car. Before the order book closed you could easily get £6000 off a decently spec'd S3. When it reopens the discounts will be far less, but let's be generous and say you could get £3000 off an identical spec'd facelift model.

This means you pay more. £3000 more, for a few generic updates to keep up with the Jones'. Think you'll get that money back? in 3 years time the premium for a used facelift vs. pre facelift of the same year will be about £500 to £1000. Net difference of £2000 - £2500 for a facelift car ordered now. That's a lot of extra cash for a car that's 99% identical, and has only had a midlife refresh consisting of a slightly different lights, bumpers and a couple of toys. And remember, most of these new parts aren't necessarily improvements. They don't fundamentally change the car. They're just slightly 'different'. If the evolutionary changes in previous Audi model lineups is anything to go by, they'll be exceedingly subtle changes as well. The car barely looked any different when it last changed, and that was totally new car.

Whatever you buy, in a years time it will still be a one year old Audi.
And how much of a difference per month will that 3k be on a PCP deal? Not a great deal I imagine. You can save up in that extra month or two to make up that extra 3 grand anyway.

The 8P looks barely any different from the 8V? Might need your eyes checked if you really think that

It may be a one year old Audi but at least it'll be the latest shape. As I said before, it's not like an iPhone when you know the day you buy it that in 12 months it'll be replaced by a newer model. You have at least 4 years of it being the latest model.

If anyone can find a car in stock that matches their brief my advice would be to jump all over it and save a decent wedge ;)
In that case save yourself even more money and find a second hand car that matches what you want. You buy a brand new car because you want the latest car
 
We should be glad the facelift will be just a nip and tuck with some extra tech.

Many (including myself) had fingers seriously burnt when VW skipped a Mk5 facelift, made massive changes and launched it as the MK6.
 
Only us Audi enthusiast's will really notice the difference. To everyone else whichever model it is it will just be an A3.
 
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Only us Audi enthusiast's will really notice the difference. To everyone else whichever model it is it will just be an A3.

I don't think this is necessarily true.... My wife who has no interest in Cars can tell the difference between the 8P and 8V and I am certain she'll be able to tell the difference between the current car and the new FL.
 
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And how much of a difference per month will that 3k be on a PCP deal? Not a great deal I imagine. You can save up in that extra month or two to make up that extra 3 grand anyway.

The 8P looks barely any different from the 8V? Might need your eyes checked if you really think that

It may be a one year old Audi but at least it'll be the latest shape. As I said before, it's not like an iPhone when you know the day you buy it that in 12 months it'll be replaced by a newer model. You have at least 4 years of it being the latest model.


In that case save yourself even more money and find a second hand car that matches what you want. You buy a brand new car because you want the latest car

I already have a brand new one??
 
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And how much of a difference per month will that 3k be on a PCP deal? Not a great deal I imagine

At Audi's 6.8% over 36 months? Let's see.
£1k deposit, GFV of £17k... An extra £93 a month. £3348 over the term. Enjoy those slightly different lights and wheels.

8P looks barely any different from the 8V? Might need your eyes checked if you really think that

The differences are deliberately minimal. Audi no more wish to undermine the used value of their cars than you do, or else they get a reputation for poor residuals that's sees the repeat customers they wish to snare into a new purchase go elsewhere. Hence the 8V is very clearly an evolution of the 8P. Not a revolution. The facelift will be subtle in the extreme.

It may be a one year old Audi but at least it'll be the latest shape. As I said before, it's not like an iPhone when you know the day you buy it that in 12 months it'll be replaced by a newer model. You have at least 4 years of it being the latest model.

Bravo, you are the marketing departments wet dream and have taken the Audi bait hook line and sinker. It's still current "shape", and it's an old car the second you drive it off the forecourt.

The extra tinsel of a facelift is a little more than a cynical marketing ploy to re-invigorate interest in an old model and sell more cars, make more money, and flog the dead horse that will be the 8V a few years past its sell by date by pretending it's in some measurable way "new", "improved" or "better". It is a stopgap. A bodge up to get a bit more cash out of the old girl whilst they prepare the proper replacement that must inevitably follow if they are to retain any kind of credibility and market share. If they can get some customers to fall all over themselves in a mad rush to pay 10 or 15% over the odds in the meantime for the same tired old design in a different frock, then they've done rather well for themselves.

In the meantime it doesn't address the real problem, which is that anyone buying a facelift version in the next few years, or paying rather more for it in the immediate future, must surely one day have to address the issue of totally new car coming out whilst they own it. To me that is a bigger issue. A facelift is the same shape, a complete re-engineering of the entire product is a different prospect, and does indeed carry the danger of crushing residuals of older designs if not done sympathetically. Thank the financial gods for the GFV then...

Your analogy to the mobile phone is flawed in many many ways, most clearly in the fact that the phone is usually subject to some appreciable upgrades in its performance and not just last years model rehashed with a slightly different keypad, or painted a slightly different shade of grey. The tricks that work in the automotive world don't work quite so well in consumer electronics where genuine progress is expected, née demanded... The trend of updating phones does share one thing with facelift in gold cars though, it's not done out of a need or desire to push technology to new levels of achievement, it's done solely and exclusively to sell more phones.

You buy a brand new car because you want the latest car

You may buy a new car for this reason, but it's one of many possible reasons, not the only reason. Other reasons for buying new include;

Avoids having to buy used, with all the potential for grief that can entail.
One stop shop to get the car you want, and to not immediately have to worry about getting tyres, servicing, MOT etc.
Warranty. No quibbles, no messing about warranty.
Safety. When the safety of loved ones is at stake, the desire to put them into a newer, safer model in case the worst should happen is extremely compelling.
Function. Ultimately a car is a tool. New tools often work better than old tools.
Finance. Fixed monthly costs with no chances of "surprise" repair bills are a boon for some households.

A desire for the very latest thing is a desire than can never be fulfilled. Things change quicker than you can hope to keep up. If you are buying a warmed over hatchback as some kind of status symbol and absolutely "need' the latest thing, then I'm afraid you have rather missed the point. It's still a hatchback, and hatchbacks, no matter how over endowed they are in the horsepower department, are decidedly not sports cars, not super cars, not future classics, and definitely not some kind of vaginal lodestone that's guaranteed to improve your chances with the opposite sex. Enjoy it for what it is. A capable, very fast, practical, and versatile car. It's not a life, or a lifestyle. It's just a car.
 
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So much depends on the age of your car. Mine is currently two years old and I don't really like to have a car that is not covered by the full Audi warranty (at least that's my excuse for wanting to change it every two and a half to three years). I quite like new cars! When the facelift version is released I will probably place an order with about six months so that I get it before mine is three years old. Not sure yet how that will be financed, cash or PCP.
 
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At Audi's 6.8% over 36 months? Let's see.
£1k deposit, GFV of £17k... An extra £93 a month. £3348 over the term. Enjoy those slightly different lights and wheels.



The differences are deliberately minimal. Audi no more wish to undermine the used value of their cars than you do, or else they get a reputation for poor residuals that's sees the repeat customers they wish to snare into a new purchase go elsewhere. Hence the 8V is very clearly an evolution of the 8P. Not a revolution. The facelift will be subtle in the extreme.



Bravo, you are the marketing departments wet dream and have taken the Audi bait hook line and sinker. It's still current "shape", and it's an old car the second you drive it off the forecourt.

The extra tinsel of a facelift is a little more than a cynical marketing ploy to re-invigorate interest in an old model and sell more cars, make more money, and flog the dead horse that will be the 8V a few years past its sell by date by pretending it's in some measurable way "new", "improved" or "better". It is a stopgap. A bodge up to get a bit more cash out of the old girl whilst they prepare the proper replacement that must inevitably follow if they are to retain any kind of credibility and market share. If they can get some customers to fall all over themselves in a mad rush to pay 10 or 15% over the odds in the meantime for the same tired old design in a different frock, then they've done rather well for themselves.

In the meantime it doesn't address the real problem, which is that anyone buying a facelift version in the next few years, or paying rather more for it in the immediate future, must surely one day have to address the issue of totally new car coming out whilst they own it. To me that is a bigger issue. A facelift is the same shape, a complete re-engineering of the entire product is a different prospect, and does indeed carry the danger of crushing residuals of older designs if not done sympathetically. Thank the financial gods for the GFV then...

Your analogy to the mobile phone is flawed in many many ways, most clearly in the fact that the phone is usually subject to some appreciable upgrades in its performance and not just last years model rehashed with a slightly different keypad, or painted a slightly different shade of grey. The tricks that work in the automotive world don't work quite so well in consumer electronics where genuine progress is expected, née demanded... The trend of updating phones does share one thing with facelift in gold cars though, it's not done out of a need or desire to push technology to new levels of achievement, it's done solely and exclusively to sell more phones.



You may buy a new car for this reason, but it's one of many possible reasons, not the only reason. Other reasons for buying new include;

Avoids having to buy used, with all the potential for grief that can entail.
One stop shop to get the car you want, and to not immediately have to worry about getting tyres, servicing, MOT etc.
Warranty. No quibbles, no messing about warranty.
Safety. When the safety of loved ones is at stake, the desire to put them into a newer, safer model in case the worst should happen is extremely compelling.
Function. Ultimately a car is a tool. New tools often work better than old tools.
Finance. Fixed monthly costs with no chances of "surprise" repair bills are a boon for some households.

A desire for the very latest thing is a desire than can never be fulfilled. Things change quicker than you can hope to keep up. If you are buying a warmed over hatchback as some kind of status symbol and absolutely "need' the latest thing, then I'm afraid you have rather missed the point. It's still a hatchback, and hatchbacks, no matter how over endowed they are in the horsepower department, are decidedly not sports cars, not super cars, not future classics, and definitely not some kind of vaginal lodestone that's guaranteed to improve your chances with the opposite sex. Enjoy it for what it is. A capable, very fast, practical, and versatile car. It's not a life, or a lifestyle. It's just a car.

Hope you've copied that off a text book,Jesus lol l was told last night the RS3 isn't getting the new refreshed look at the same time as the A3/S3 you'll be able to order the new bouncy castle come June
 
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At Audi's 6.8% over 36 months? Let's see.
£1k deposit, GFV of £17k... An extra £93 a month. £3348 over the term. Enjoy those slightly different lights and wheels.
Enjoy driving off the forecourt with an outdated car and looking on enviously every time the better looking with facelift with more toys and a better engine goes past, before trading up a 10 months into your 36 month PCP to get the facelift.

The differences are deliberately minimal.
You're having a laugh aren't you? The differences between the 8P and 8V are huge, completely different interiors and a much sharper exterior.

The facelift will be subtle in the extreme.
I had the pre-facelift A5 and every time I crossed a facelift model, it ****** me off because it looked so much better with the new front. Then I got one as a courtesy car when mine went in for a service and the extra 20 bhp on the 2.0 TDi and the lighter steering + drive select made me even more gutted that I had a PFL car.

Your analogy to the mobile phone is flawed in many many ways, most clearly in the fact that the phone is usually subject to some appreciable upgrades in its performance and not just last years model rehashed with a slightly different keypad
Really? Lets use the example of an iPhone, you're telling me the upgrade between an iPhone 6 and 6s is an appreciable upgrade and not just a rehash of last years model? What did that upgrade entail? A faster processor and.....?

A desire for the very latest thing is a desire than can never be fulfilled. Things change quicker than you can hope to keep up.
Except it can. You get a face lift now on a 3/4 year PCP deal and know by the time that deal is up, the car will still be the latest model with the new one just around the corner.
 
Enjoy driving off the forecourt with an outdated car and looking on enviously every time the better looking with facelift with more toys and a better engine goes past, before trading up a 10 months into your 36 month PCP to get the facelift.


You're having a laugh aren't you? The differences between the 8P and 8V are huge, completely different interiors and a much sharper exterior.


I had the pre-facelift A5 and every time I crossed a facelift model, it ****** me off because it looked so much better with the new front. Then I got one as a courtesy car when mine went in for a service and the extra 20 bhp on the 2.0 TDi and the lighter steering + drive select made me even more gutted that I had a PFL car.


Really? Lets use the example of an iPhone, you're telling me the upgrade between an iPhone 6 and 6s is an appreciable upgrade and not just a rehash of last years model? What did that upgrade entail? A faster processor and.....?

Except it can. You get a face lift now on a 3/4 year PCP deal and know by the time that deal is up, the car will still be the latest model with the new one just around the corner.
This is only a extremely mild facelift improved product car,the new ALL new A3 will make a appearance late 2018 yeah the difference will extremely nominal and no new engine for the S3/range well maybe the 3 cylinder 1-0 engine but nothing to write home about
 
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They won't release a facelift in late 2016/early 2017 and then replace it with a new model the year after.

Lets use the example of the A4, released in 2008, facelifted in 2012, new version in 2015
 
They won't release a facelift in late 2016/early 2017 and then replace it with a new model the year after.

Lets use the example of the A4, released in 2008, facelifted in 2012, new version in 2015
Well the life cycle of most cars is 6/7 A3 2012, so late 2018 is conceivable
 
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Hope you've copied that off a text book,Jesus lol l was told last night the RS3 isn't getting the new refreshed look at the same time as the A3/S3 you'll be able to order the new bouncy castle come June[/QUOTE]

If the RS3 is to get a facelift this year then it will be at the same time as the A3/S3. This was the case with the RS4 & RS6.
 
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There must some change due otherwise why has the factory stop taking orders for the current model. No doubt they have enough existing orders to take them through to June when they will start making the revised model.
 
Enjoy driving off the forecourt with an outdated car and looking on enviously every time the better looking with facelift with more toys and a better engine goes past, before trading up a 10 months into your 36 month PCP to get the facelift.


You're having a laugh aren't you? The differences between the 8P and 8V are huge, completely different interiors and a much sharper exterior.


I had the pre-facelift A5 and every time I crossed a facelift model, it ****** me off because it looked so much better with the new front. Then I got one as a courtesy car when mine went in for a service and the extra 20 bhp on the 2.0 TDi and the lighter steering + drive select made me even more gutted that I had a PFL car.


Really? Lets use the example of an iPhone, you're telling me the upgrade between an iPhone 6 and 6s is an appreciable upgrade and not just a rehash of last years model? What did that upgrade entail? A faster processor and.....?

Except it can. You get a face lift now on a 3/4 year PCP deal and know by the time that deal is up, the car will still be the latest model with the new one just around the corner.

Envy? Really? Because someone has a slight update and I don't?

You were actually "Gutted" because another car had 20bhp more than your one?

These things are actually that important to you?

That's possibly the most childish thing I've ever read.

No, I do not suffer envy because someone else's little hatchback has a bit more power, or a different grill than my little hatchback, because that would be absolutely ridiculous. I'm not comparing an old BMX to a friends shiny new 10 speed in the school bike sheds anymore. Real life offers us grown ups much better and more important things to concern ourselves with...
 
Great, I'm glad you're happy to buy a new car that'll be outdated the day you pick it up.

I'll stick to being childish and not spending new car money on an out dated variant.
 
Great, I'm glad you're happy to buy a new car that'll be outdated the day you pick it up.

I'll stick to being childish and not spending new car money on an out dated variant.

So you're gonna update yours every time there's a facelift are you??...............come on fella, get real!! lol
 
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No, but I wouldn't get a new one when an update is around the corner. And anyway my A4 has only been released, it'll be another 4 years until they touch it - around the time id be looking to move onto the next car, but then I'd be looking at an A6 or A7
 
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People will continue to ask but the only opinion that really matters is that of the owner to be. If it concerns that individual to pick up a new car some 6 months before a face lift can be delivered then simply don't do it! If you gotta ask then you probably shouldn't do it. I pick up my very current new S3 on Thursday and cant flipping wait. It'll be a new car to me and my intention, all being well is to hang onto it for 3 years by which time this very debate may be in full flow again. I'll be far to busy sitting snug in my SS seats to give a sausage that the 66 plate is going to be a little different. Maybe have a pointier head light and dynamic indicators. I just want to drive and enjoy a quality car with a peach of an engine and semi auto box that does great pharppps on shifts. Options list is a mine field as it is and I'm not going through all that again any time soon. Wont take me long to run it in then I'm going to be really childish and find some tunnels :)
Good luck to those that want to hang on and i very much look forward to seeing what you'll actually get but not envious. Just pleased for you that you finally get to experience what I am too later this week

Loving the strong opinions but if your spending £33K plus on a car as many of us have or will, you should certainly not be swayed by what others think is right. new cars are a bit of a mugs game anyway and we're all trowing cash to the wind but knowingly, and hopefully with big smiles on our faces. Get a good deal, stick a key in it and go pharrrp away. I'll let you know how Thursday goes.......
 
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No, but I wouldn't get a new one when an update is around the corner. And anyway my A4 has only been released, it'll be another 4 years until they touch it

Yeah and as said above it's gonna be another 2 years at least before the A3/S3 gets a redesign. We're only talking very minor facelift tweaks, not enough to make anyone lose any asleep over. If it were a major redesign I'd agree with you.

In the fast moving world of cars/tech and the like nothing stays new for long anyway..........
 
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Great, I'm glad you're happy to buy a new car that'll be outdated the day you pick it up.

I'll stick to being childish and not spending new car money on an out dated variant.

But your driving a repmobile diesel A4? Therefore all arguments are null and void!

Seriously, some people dont like to buy new models as soon as they are released....they would rather let people like you pay a premium to do the initial testing and iron out all the faults, then they will make their purchase when decent discounts appear.
 
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