What baffles me though is that VW / Audi are expert software coders - they can even hide the stuff so that others can't see it working.
Now, they can't even make their own website software operate properly.
You can't make it up !!
VAG Admit Cheating Diesel Emmissions...
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What baffles me though is that VW / Audi are expert software coders - they can even hide the stuff so that others can't see it working.
Now, they can't even make their own website software operate properly.
You can't make it up !!
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Maybe Audi UK have had to do the work for the UK rather than the 'experts' at Audi AG.
Of course fleets are going to be putting purchases on hold. They want to see what is going to happen.
Whilst I was working with heavy truck engines (now retired) Euro 3 era, The company fitted Cummins Euro 3 for UK but we also fitted Cummins EPA engines for export purposes, New Zealand and Africa mainly. EPA was passed for use in all the US States. The EPA engines at 460 BHP would easily out perform the Euro 3 engines at 525 BHP ! The EPA's exhaust was notably dirtier when the engines were pulling hard. I know it's a few years ago but back then the EPA emissions were easier to reach than Euro 3 was, so what went wrong ?
I can also recall years ago Caterpillar were also fined heavily by the EPA for engine emission issues in the US whilst Cummins and Detroit Diesel were not affected.
I can also recall years ago Caterpillar were also fined heavily by the EPA for engine emission issues in the US whilst Cummins and Detroit Diesel were not affected.
Knee jerk...why? What would you have expected to happen?
Why would you expect the dealers to know anything they are at the end of the supply chain...VW AG to Audi AG to Audi UK to dealership group to local dealer.
The dealer is just a shop selling a product and affiliated to the manufacturer and not an integral part of the manufacturing organisation.
I'm really surprised (pleased) but checked this morning and found my cars not one of those affected. Has anyone quoted a % of Audi sales thought to be included?, if not then I'm going to search to find out. The numbers quoted are big but that doesn't tell the whole story.
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Audi USA website is notoriously atrocious compared to the Audi UK, German sites that have a lot more features, in-dept descriptions. I don't know where the disconnect starts at but perhaps it's that. "USA".
Perhaps VAG/Audi has some disdain attitude to USA hence the diesel emissions are 40 x over the EPA's regulations versus just 6 to 10 x over Nox. Meaning VAG/Audi likely designed these emissions defeat devices specifically to override (overcome, or should I say meet?) the EPA emissions requirement.
YET Audi cannot provide us any of the following that offers to everyone else except USA:
Park Assist, Auto-Engine OFF, Cylinder on Demand, automatic headlamp washers for A3's, Adaptive Bi-Xenons, Eco/Efficiency Mode, On-Call service, Remote Unlock, and I can go on and on.
and some of these are not just the A3, but I read other Audi car type boards of people wondering where is this feature at that is present in the Europe, Africa, India, Australian Audi models.
It's to the point that why even bother upgrading to like an A6 or A8 etc, when it too will be lacking the same features.
On a recent visit to the US I was reminded just how much of a price differential there appears to be between car prices in the US verses UK/Europe. Maybe this is a mechanism by which the likes of Audi can stay profitable whilst still remaining competitive.
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We're priced lower due to volume pricing, they make more from us because our population, same as China.
But even if that weren't the case. How much money is Audi saving by leaving out something simple to add-in like Eco/Efficiency Mode.
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I think I have Eco mode on my MY15 A3 TDI. Going out in a wee while and will double check but pretty sure it has. Along with Individual, dynamic etc etc.
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Picture of Advert in National Press this morning stating Euro6 are not affected. Also pic of my driving modes. Is this what you are referring to as have or not having Eco/Efficiency mode??
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Picture of Advert in National Press this morning stating Euro6 are not affected. Also pic of my driving modes. Is this what you are referring to as have or not having Eco/Efficiency mode??
Yes, in America your Drive Select would look like this:Picture of Advert in National Press this morning stating Euro6 are not affected. Also pic of my driving modes. Is this what you are referring to as have or not having Eco/Efficiency mode??
No fuel-saving for you! Come back one year!
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I thought you meant the US were ahead of us! Doh! Makes a change for us to have something you guys don't.
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I'm starting to find that is probably never the case when it comes to European cars. Especially in this case with Audi, as I mentioned above.
Even the Mercedes CLA 250 here in the USA has Eco. So I don't know what was up with VAG/Audi AG but maybe this diesel gate is their comeuppance.
Both our cars are affected my Tiguan and the wifes GTD .
I am same as above posters will wait and see what the cure will do to the mpg and power and also trade in price .
I see the big VW boss is blaming two techs for fitting the cheats and says the management didn't know about it ,,, nuts the two techs didn't fit all cars so they did know ....
I am same as above posters will wait and see what the cure will do to the mpg and power and also trade in price .
I see the big VW boss is blaming two techs for fitting the cheats and says the management didn't know about it ,,, nuts the two techs didn't fit all cars so they did know ....
It is possible that some software engineers made changes to the basic engine management software that was then used in all the cars that were fitted with particular engines. They would not have to made changes to every car as it was made, just once, to the master software that would be used on all the EMU fitted to all engines. VW bosses well not been aware as most of the engines would probably have be made in a Audi factory!
If this is the case it means VW/Audi quality systems are not adequate to ensure well managed software change control which would put them in contravention of there ISO9001 certified quality managment system. So in effect VW bosses are implicated even if they were not directly aware.
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We seem to be going round in circles with this thread. Who's at fault? Who's not? Who knew? Who didn't? The fact that VW have had several opportunities to fix this before the engine in question went into production and also after production had started makes it more that a software engineer at fault. These sorts of financial decisions are not made by the minions.
I agree and however much we speculate I doubt if we will ever know the full story. VW, Audi, SEAT and Skoda have said they will fix the problem for anyone who wants it fixed.
ok if the owners of affected cars get a recall and don't get it fixed due to say it being down on power after fixing will it affect the next mot ( I don't know if it would be down on power or not but that is a rumour )
I saw saw an announcement somewhere that it would not affect the mot.
They pass the mot today , so the only way they could fail is if the mot rules change ,and that would not be retrospective , nor one brand specific.
They pass the mot today , so the only way they could fail is if the mot rules change ,and that would not be retrospective , nor one brand specific.
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Yeh, it just has a list of affected VINs, that's it. If it matches, it says your are affected, if it doesn't, it says you aren't.
It doesn't take 'expert' software coding to do this, really. And they got caught - they could see it working.
Also, the people who write software for the cars and the people doing the website will be very very different departments!
Good news is that my Engine is unaffected.
Interesting to see how the Residuals fare up now over the next few months / years.
Might have to invest in a hairdryer to get that TDi badge removed from my boot.
It's an embarrassment now.
Wonder if Audi would do it at my next Service ??
Interesting to see how the Residuals fare up now over the next few months / years.
Might have to invest in a hairdryer to get that TDi badge removed from my boot.
It's an embarrassment now.
Wonder if Audi would do it at my next Service ??
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Why's it an embarrassment?? I have absolutely no issue with a TDI badge on the back of my non-affected A3. Even if it was affected I'd still leave it on.
Ooooops! Fuel injectors for some as well...
BBC News 21-minutes ago: Now this isn't good news, software I can understand but if injectors are to be changed there's going be some mega moans...
"About 400,000 Volkswagen cars in the UK will need fuel injectors altered as well as a software fix, its UK boss said.
Paul Willis, UK managing director, said that cars fitted with the 1.6L diesel engine would need the physical remedy.
Those with the larger 2L engine would only need a software fix, he told the Commons Transport select committee.
Mr Willis apologised "sincerely and unreservedly" for letting down customers.
He told the MPs on the committee that VW first sold cars with engines that could cheat emissions testing in the UK in 2008.
A total of 1.2 million vehicles sold in the UK had been affected, but the remaining two thirds would only need software altered, Mr Willis explained."
BBC News 21-minutes ago: Now this isn't good news, software I can understand but if injectors are to be changed there's going be some mega moans...
"About 400,000 Volkswagen cars in the UK will need fuel injectors altered as well as a software fix, its UK boss said.
Paul Willis, UK managing director, said that cars fitted with the 1.6L diesel engine would need the physical remedy.
Those with the larger 2L engine would only need a software fix, he told the Commons Transport select committee.
Mr Willis apologised "sincerely and unreservedly" for letting down customers.
He told the MPs on the committee that VW first sold cars with engines that could cheat emissions testing in the UK in 2008.
A total of 1.2 million vehicles sold in the UK had been affected, but the remaining two thirds would only need software altered, Mr Willis explained."
More widespread diesel issue reported here.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-remove-filters-designed-to-cut-a6689191.html
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-s...-remove-filters-designed-to-cut-a6689191.html
You must be one of our American Friends - the irony of my post has clearly missed you.
No offence intended of course.
The majority of the general average public (myself included had I not been unfortunately dragged in to this sorry mess by my choice of vehicle last year) will listen to the news and associate this "scandal" with VW pre-dominantly, then Audi, then Seat, then Skoda and so on and associate it solely with the TDi engine - regardless of size / affected / not affected / etc.
It will always have that Stigma of is it an affected engine / isn't it - as above, the average Joe (like me) isn't going to know / understand.
It'll be interesting to see how the part-ex fares a few years down the line.
Good news is that I've come up with a temporary solution - black Gaffer Tape carefully cut to the correct size and stuck over the offending Badge.
You can see it (the tape) in the daylight, although come dusk / dark it blends in perfectly.
Not American, and I don't believe your explanation given the tone of your post, but there we goYou must be one of our American Friends - the irony of my post has clearly missed you.
No offence intended of course.
I would imagine it would invalidate insurance for one, devalue the car too.
Oh, and you could probably wave goodbye to your warranty if you still have any left
