TTE S3 Upgrade Turbochargers

Great stuff with R-tech's results! Looks like a good turbo. I do however agree with that tuffty is saying. I'm not putting a downer on your products but BW parts have known to fail. I've had a hybrid from Dan as a test muel for almost 2 years, covered 10k of very hard driven miles using ALS and NLS and it still pulled well! Yet to have dan inspect it but the castings he has made to a certain spec are IMO better. Price is important too but that's up to the consumer to decide what they want to pay for a product. BBT has done very well for a 1 man team, same as you've done well producing a well powered turbo. Embracing achievements to the 1.8t culture is more important than slating a guy that's gone out of his way to make a good turbo on his own.
 
Listen without going into details both bbt and badger troll when ever anyone posts a picture or mentions TTE. BBt last year was posting on TTE Facebook before I'd ever heard of slating how we copied him lol. Dreamer. I block both bill and dan personally and we block beach buggy on our FB..

Tired of the bs tbh.

Real professionals that have seen and worked with both products give me real unbiased feed back..
 
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TTE Si said:
Listen without going into details both bbt and badger troll when ever anyone posts a picture or mentions TTE. BBt last year was posting on TTE Facebook before I'd ever heard of slating how we copied him lol. Dreamer. I block both bill and dan personally and we block beach buggy on our FB..

Tired of the bs tbh.

Real professionals that have seen and worked with both products give me real unbiased feed back..
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You have some sort of chip on your shoulder
lmao at "real professionals" comment.. that made me smile... especially as we all know who that alludes too.. Yea Very Professional.. as are your continual pops at the likes of Dan/BBT, playing your "genuine parts" line...

Grow up ***

queue you clicking report as is your wanton need... lol
 
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Not 1 pro but many pal...

Go do one


For info I've been selling turbos before dan was in business and I used same Genuine parts and even same text formula...nothing to do with bbt
 
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Guys, cant you just agree to disagree on this subject. There is no need to get personal. There is a lot of good info in this thread, don't force me to lock it, but if the personal attacks on each other continues I will do so.
 
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This is tiring, if a product's good, it will sell, and obviously, somewhere down the line, price will be a factor. Simples.

This thread is about TTE turbo's, can we keep it on the actual subject, instead of making is a vs thread? The bashing from the professionals is embarrassing seriously... The market is plenty big enough for both the co exist!
 
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I hope your not calling me a badger/bbt troll. I take no sides just voiced an opinion, even applauded you for the good work, that car made good power.

With any product comes critism, it's how you address the critism that makes you professional.

Again. Good work with the turbo, but stop the name calling.
 
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Gop's no wasn't. But explaining a little to why I made comments I have. I hear you but after a while it wears thin.. I avoid them on FB for this very reason.

I do this for a living, full time and for years. I have massive global cilent base and work with most big names and even rebrand for others. I sell much due to quality not price.

( for info I'm out shopping with my 3 kids and wife so forgive my short replies)
 
TTE Si said:
Listen without going into details both bbt and badger troll when ever anyone posts a picture or mentions TTE. BBt last year was posting on TTE Facebook before I'd ever heard of slating how we copied him lol. Dreamer. I block both bill and dan personally and we block beach buggy on our FB..

Tired of the bs tbh.

Real professionals that have seen and worked with both products give me real unbiased feed back..
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Alright lads this is my s3/turbo
All I can say is what a great service TTE have provided as well as supplying me with a class turbo. After spending so much on engine rebuild I needed something that will last and still give me the performance I was looking for!! Engine gave me all kinds of trouble but can gladly say Simon helped me out by going the extra mile on helping me get to the bottom of it.Have only good words to speak about Simon and the TTE team !!!
Lucky I chose r tech for mapping 2!!!!
The only 2 right decisions made on this build.
R tech spend plenty of hours testing and playing with the car so would like to advice anyone looking to book in. I travelled 3 hours to get to r tech when b5 is only a stone throw away!!!!
 
watola123 said:
Alright lads this is my s3/turbo
All I can say is what a great service TTE have provided as well as supplying me with a class turbo. After spending so much on engine rebuild I needed something that will last and still give me the performance I was looking for!! Engine gave me all kinds of trouble but can gladly say Simon helped me out by going the extra mile on helping me get to the bottom of it.Have only good words to speak about Simon and the TTE team !!!
Lucky I chose r tech for mapping 2!!!!
The only 2 right decisions made on this build.
R tech spend plenty of hours testing and playing with the car so would like to advice anyone looking to book in. I travelled 3 hours to get to r tech when b5 is only a stone throw away!!!!
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You're mad to travel 3hours for R-tech when Badger5 is very close by. They are easily as good as R-tech, if not better in my opinion due to actually being capable/willing to repair any issues that may arise prior to mapping unlike R-tech who have a habit of turning people away.

Each to their own though.
 
This is slowly starting to sound like VWVortex Gonzo vs Frankenturbo :). Hope you all cut it out its very unprofessional to bash at the competition.
 
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You're mad to travel 3hours for R-tech when Badger5 is very close by. They are easily as good as R-tech, if not better in my opinion due to actually being capable/willing to repair any issues that may arise prior to mapping unlike R-tech who have a habit of turning people away.

Each to their own though.
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I know that they want a healthy car to map on the day but you couldn't be further away from the truth. My car had all kinds of trouble going into knock along with other issues. Had the car back to sort a few things out,then had it put on a trailer and took back to r tech. Still had major issues with car going into knock. Niki has had the car for about 2 weeks now. Garage next door helped out checking timing along with other things. He didn't have to help me out but he did
 
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Lewis583 said:
You're mad to travel 3hours for R-tech when Badger5 is very close by. They are easily as good as R-tech, if not better in my opinion due to actually being capable/willing to repair any issues that may arise prior to mapping unlike R-tech who have a habit of turning people away.

Each to their own though.
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Strange reply this, it's HIS car, he can take it to whoever he wants!
 
Meh, just expressing MY confusion as to why someone would drive 3hours when they could reach the same end game much closer with someone who has equally as much knowledge of the platform as another outfit. Hence my parting line "each to their own"
 
All the off topic aside..

What I like about Watola S3 results is this set-up has fantastic response making peak torque nice and fast at a very respectable 3600rpm and holding over 300ft lbs to 5800 rpm and at pretty conservative boost level.
 
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All the off topic aside..

What I like about Watola S3 results is this set-up has fantastic response making peak torque nice and fast at a very respectable 3600rpm and holding over 300ft lbs to 5800 rpm and at pretty conservative boost level.
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now is making 1.4 bar at 7000
what is the max pressure with good egt without wmi??
 
TTE Si said:
All the off topic aside..

What I like about Watola S3 results is this set-up has fantastic response making peak torque nice and fast at a very respectable 3600rpm and holding over 300ft lbs to 5800 rpm and at pretty conservative boost level.
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300lbft rtech torques @ 5800rpm ~ 258lbft equivalence to mine. Conservative boost, and corresponding conservative torque, but good low egts no doubt too
 
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now is making 1.4 bar at 7000
what is the max pressure with good egt without wmi??
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This motor in question did have issues as Watola said. Rtech expressed that he limited the power to be safe because of said issues. Watola result is without WMI.

Really is no rule to max pressure as comes down to hardware, fuel so on and conditions. And higher boost can be just heat or blowing hot air so a lower figure will actually be better/higher output.
 
That spec engine would take a much bigger turbo, seems daft to spend that on a hybrid when you can get the real deal for another £300? Same spec as mine, nearly and 150 hp down...as they say, each to there own.
 
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300lbft rtech torques @ 5800rpm ~ 258lbft equivalence to mine. Conservative boost, and corresponding conservative torque, but good low egts no doubt too
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So are you saying watola's s3 would have made 258lbft of torque on your rolling road Bill, that's quite a big difference, is this down to calibration issues or do results vary so much between different makes of rolling roads,
I shall be keeping an eye on this thread as I have been thinking about purchasing the tte340, the only thing making me a bit wary is the lack of information about this model of turbo
 
R-TECH Rollers are not out as Badger 5 likes to suggest. Ive seen others cars with BBT units fitted make good numbers on Rtech's and repeat at another independent company/dyno day. (Company's I've dealt with for a number of years and highly trusted in the industry)

Dusty make contact with others not connected to badger and get a unbiased account is what I would suggest.
 
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Sod all this

Get a GT Turbo guys lol
 
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Or better.. Get a KKK TTE special haha
 
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Or better.. Get a KKK TTE special haha
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KKK is this the tfsi conversion like prawns? I would love this turbo but it would mean custom d.p. And oil and coolant lines, it wouldn't work for me as I have all my parts for my build bar my turbo I will have to stay k04 based
 
TTE Si said:
R-TECH Rollers are not out as Badger 5 likes to suggest. Ive seen others cars with BBT units fitted make good numbers on Rtech's and repeat at another independent company/dyno day. (Company's I've dealt with for a number of years and highly trusted in the industry)
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Just for a bit clarification here Si, Bill isn't suggesting that R-tech's rollers are out at all. Simply that Bills dyno seems to read torque very differently to most others.

Torque figures from Bills dyno are typicaly always lower for any car than they would be elsewhere, hence the 258lbft equivalent value suggested.

I did a bit of a test on this a few years back and ran my car on about 5 different dynos within a month.

345lbft at R-tech
344lbft at JKM
298lbft at B5.

The same happened previously on my old map (pre rods), with 284 R-tech lbft recording 245 badger lbft.

Difference in readings at B5: -16%

The same result occurred on my old st1 AUM, making 233lbft on Bills dyno, vs 275lbft everywhere else.

The ACTUAL torque is the same, just the value given differs by 16%.

Neither are right / wrong, as we all know the dyno is just a tool for tuning.

So long as the owners are happy with how they drive that's all that matters :)
 
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So are you saying watola's s3 would have made 258lbft of torque on your rolling road Bill, that's quite a big difference, is this down to calibration issues or do results vary so much between different makes of rolling roads,
I shall be keeping an eye on this thread as I have been thinking about purchasing the tte340, the only thing making me a bit wary is the lack of information about this model of turbo
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Its a given FACT, difference in the peak torque figures between the likes of rtech/jkm and mine on cars that their peak torque figures are some 16% higher than mine.
Now, ignoring the Si bitter and twisted comments, its the relative difference, and not saying theirs is "wrong", mine is "right" but anyone with 1/2 a brain is well aware of "dyno lottery", and this kind of difference is typical. Its consistent however, so a "relative" comparison in the peak numbers can be made. Its of more relevance when again the likes of Si posts comments such as "only" 280lbft on another post of a customer hybrid car which was on my dyno, made 280lbft of my dyno torque, which would be an equivalent 325lbft peak figure on the likes of rtech/jkm.
From many cars which have run elsewhere and here the torque is where my dyno reads some 16% lower than the others...

dyno's and their manufacturers all do their calculations in the way they deem best/most accurate in their opinion. the end results vary.. hence dyno lottery applies when trying to compare them. so long as you have consistency and repeatability, you have a base to compare from.
 
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Just for a bit clarification here Si, Bill isn't suggesting that R-tech's rollers are out at all. Simply that Bills dyno seems to read torque very differently to most others.

Torque figures from Bills dyno are typicaly always lower for any car than they would be elsewhere, hence the 258lbft equivalent value suggested.

I did a bit of a test on this a few years back and ran my car on about 5 different dynos within a month.

345lbft at R-tech
344lbft at JKM
298lbft at B5.

The same happened previously on my old map (pre rods), with 284 R-tech lbft recording 245 badger lbft.

Difference in readings at B5: -16%

The same result occurred on my old st1 AUM, making 233lbft on Bills dyno, vs 275lbft everywhere else.

The ACTUAL torque is the same, just the value given differs by 16%.

Neither are right / wrong, as we all know the dyno is just a tool for tuning.

So long as the owners are happy with how they drive that's all that matters :)
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Exactly Prawny. Someone reading it how it was typed/written, with ACTUAL experience of both dynos, repeatedly.

Si is reading through his bitter and twisted glasses tho, so adds his own inflection twisting things around.......... Sounds oh so familiar kinda behaviour. Must be the company he keeps. Birds of a feather flock together kinda thing perhaps.
 
Maybe you need keep your comments to your self Badger until you have ACTUAL experience of a turbo from us. Instead of pointing out the price and nothing else... I don't need Justify a price to you as anyone with half a brain know's cost of a GENUINE turbo and parts and if you was to price like for like with say professional turbo builders like TurboDynamics or ATE or even OWEN that use GENUINE components you may well find we would be cheaper..
 
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Prawn said:
Just for a bit clarification here Si, Bill isn't suggesting that R-tech's rollers are out at all. Simply that Bills dyno seems to read torque very differently to most others.

Torque figures from Bills dyno are typicaly always lower for any car than they would be elsewhere, hence the 258lbft equivalent value suggested.

I did a bit of a test on this a few years back and ran my car on about 5 different dynos within a month.

345lbft at R-tech
344lbft at JKM
298lbft at B5.

The same happened previously on my old map (pre rods), with 284 R-tech lbft recording 245 badger lbft.

Difference in readings at B5: -16%

The same result occurred on my old st1 AUM, making 233lbft on Bills dyno, vs 275lbft everywhere else.

The ACTUAL torque is the same, just the value given differs by 16%.

Neither are right / wrong, as we all know the dyno is just a tool for tuning.

So long as the owners are happy with how they drive that's all that matters :)
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Interesting Prawn
 
Firstly,I hope no-one will resent me sticking my nose in because I'm not an 8L guy,and I hope many of you will remember that I've taken advice from people here,and respect that.

OK.....to my point....I've seen this sort of thing before both here,and on other forums,and most of us ought to remember the APR/Revo flaming sessions across the net,along with other spats.

Surely,as the mods have already suggested,the best way forward is to agree to disagree,rather than openly fighting,which doesn't serve anyone well in the long run.

I've known Si for a long time,and whilst he may be fairly forthright at times,I've never received anything other than good,sensible help from him,and I should make it clear that I am neither a Loba or TTE customer.

On the TFSi side,these turbos have been well received,and a good number of us in the 8P and RS sections are using them with good results.

Bury the hatchet guys,but not in each other,as you all do good work.
 
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KKK is this the tfsi conversion like prawns? I would love this turbo but it would mean custom d.p. And oil and coolant lines, it wouldn't work for me as I have all my parts for my build bar my turbo I will have to stay k04 based
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No I was meaning (for fun) a Big frame KKK unit TTE400+ K16 or TTE450+ K24 With high quality cast manifold I can supply. But really K04-064 TFSI (TTE350/TTE370/TTE390) is nice solution IMO as Prawns and others show.
 
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TTE Si said:
Maybe you need keep your comments to your self Badger until you have ACTUAL experience of a turbo from us. Instead of pointing out the price and nothing else... I don't need Justify a price to you as anyone with half a brain know's cost of a GENUINE turbo and parts and if you was to price like for like with say professional turbo builders like TurboDynamics or ATE or even OWEN that use GENUINE components you may well find we would be cheaper..
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there is a car due here with one of your turbos fitted.
We shall see how it fares
If its decent I will share the results. I have no axe to grind with your product, your attitude sux, your product should be top drawer as its price and spec alludes to.

Remembering, the turbo is just a single component, so those who fixate on a single component, like turbo, or manifold or other, and pronounce its a miracle product producing xyz power, are naive. The "System" and supporting mods will allow an item such as a hybrid to function at its optimum, OR NOT....
Get the 'mix' and build right of the system, good things can happen.
 
My attitude is in response to yourself. Many tell me of yours regarding my products as shown on FB and here. Some of my suppliers are scared to post a picture and some even send me a warning to be ready waiting for Bill if have..

No need to give me your lessons. I work with the best tuners imo in Porsche, AMG, Audi, Ford, VAG, BMW and even work/ed with some those manufactures sport divisions. But I agree!
 
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TTE Si said:
My attitude is in response to yourself. Many tell me of yours regarding my products as shown on FB and here. Some of my suppliers are scared to post a picture and some even send me a warning to be ready waiting for Bill if have..

No need to give me your lessons. I work with the best tuners imo in Porsche, AMG, Audi, Ford, VAG, BMW and even work/ed with some those manufactures sport divisions. But I agree!
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You will find No Such Negative comments about your products performance from me, so DONT go believing such BS and misinformation from the usual "haters".... they have "other agendas".

The price of your products is high, and your explanation of it is understood. My only comment to your product has been questioning its high price and how its pitches against other available products.
You need to look at your own posts and attacks at the likes of BBT for example.... That provokes. Don't provoke folks, and you won't receive replies of similar nature 'in kind'

Given I've actively been working with hybrids from a number of manufacturers since 2010 onwards on hybrids K03/4 in particularly, and personally brought major step changes in the K03/4 game for example, I think my opinion and Full System build experience is worthy and sound. Wind the clock back 5-7 years and turbo suppliers were selling units with claims of 350-360bhp yet few if any actually realised more than a little over 300bhp... Supporting mods being the key.. Majority hybrid Turbo Sellers quoting output based on compressor flow max only knew the one component, their turbo, but as I have said (for the benefit of those reading this beyond just you!) the System has to be complementary to supporting the "potential" in the turbo. The First genuine 300bhp K03 hybrid was one I commissioned and spec'd... 2010.. Some years on, its the norm to achieve this. The K04 hybrid in our lupo, remains top of the game for power from K04 hybrid setup.... etc etc

Your attitude brings mine in response

We clearly don't see eye to eye............. I can live with that.
I suggest/ask that you refrain from the snide comments. It will be better for everyone
 
Si, any testing done to see how fast the turbos can be spun before they just blow hot air and no more power is made (if that can be reached before the limit of other components).

Stock ko4-023 are rated to circa 130,000 rpm I believe but I think that limit is due to the bearing design.
 
Guys, please can we stay on topic. Agree to disagree and lets stop the personal comments and having a go at each other. There is a lot of good info in this thread and we dont want to lose that. I dont expect to have to comment on this thread again. Thank you.
 
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you say "TTE450+ K24 With high quality cast manifold"
what is the high quality cast manifold?
 
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