GPF REVO Stage 1

[Riko0073]

Hey guys

So a bit earlier than I was planning I’ve gone ahead and had the REVO stage 1 done on my 2019 GPF RS3.

After reading some feedback from @Dan_DJT who’s been developing this on REVO’s test car, running his own pre GPF car with some good comparisons between the two and the fact REVO don’t look to chase big numbers but making the car usable with a smooth power delivery I knew I had to go for it!

What can I say, the car pulls harder especially around 3,000rpm+ but the delivery is so smooth you don’t realise the speeds you’re hitting, it’s just like the car was like this out of the factory but with a big whallop of extra torque, exactly what I was after.

I’m not bothered about the numbers but Dan advises around +60bhp and +110nm which is plenty for me.

Now...I’ve been quite vocal about the pre GPF noise and that I was actually drawn to the GPF car as it was slightly muted without pops and bangs which I preferred, however the REVO tune adds back in the pops/bangs/burbles but these are quite easily controlled by throttle input and gear changes that I can drive pretty quick without much interference from these...BUT with some sharp throttle input or gear changes then there’s pops and bangs a plenty, SO....I have to eat my words and say what a ****** hoot, talk about feeling like a naughty teenager with an ASBO, with the valve controller and the tune the car to me is now a perfect blend of noise and performance!

So glad I went for it, yes there’s always the worry of warranty but you’ve got to enjoy these cars and it’s given the GPF car that extra oomph it deserves.

If you’re thinking about tuning your GPF car then I’d highly recommend the REVO stage 1, please let me know if you have any questions and sure Dan will be on hand to answer any technical question

 

[Clemo41]

Hey guys

So a bit earlier than I was planning I’ve gone ahead and had the REVO stage 1 done on my 2019 GPF RS3.

After reading some feedback from @Dan_DJT who’s been developing this on REVO’s test car, running his own pre GPF car with some good comparisons between the two and the fact REVO don’t look to chase big numbers but making the car usable with a smooth power delivery I knew I had to go for it!

What can I say, the car pulls harder especially around 3,000rpm+ but the delivery is so smooth you don’t realise the speeds you’re hitting, it’s just like the car was like this out of the factory but with a big whallop of extra torque, exactly what I was after.

I’m not bothered about the numbers but Dan advises around +60bhp and +110nm which is plenty for me.

Now...I’ve been quite vocal about the pre GPF noise and that I was actually drawn to the GPF car as it was slightly muted without pops and bangs which I preferred, however the REVO tune adds back in the pops/bangs/burbles but these are quite easily controlled by throttle input and gear changes that I can drive pretty quick without much interference from these...BUT with some sharp throttle input or gear changes then there’s pops and bangs a plenty, SO....I have to eat my words and say what a ****** hoot, talk about feeling like a naughty teenager with an ASBO, with the valve controller and the tune the car to me is now a perfect blend of noise and performance!

So glad I went for it, yes there’s always the worry of warranty but you’ve got to enjoy these cars and it’s given the GPF car that extra oomph it deserves.

If you’re thinking about tuning your GPF car then I’d highly recommend the REVO stage 1, please let me know if you have any questions and sure Dan will be on hand to answer any technical question

Great feedback

 

[Ja5on]

Think I now hate you just a little bit Riko

 

[Riko0073]

Think I now hate you just a little bit Riko

Haha, no problem mate, not sure why and if it’s because I’ve tuned the car or if I’m
converted to the joy of pops and bangs

To be fair on the pops and bangs front they’re so easily controllable, I’ve just been out with the missus in the car and didn’t do it once apart from some low down ‘burbles’, however when I’m on my own I can make it pop and bang to my hearts content with some sharp throttle inputs and changing down rapidly

 

[Ja5on]

Haha, no problem mate, not sure why and if it’s because I’ve tuned the car or if I’m
converted to the joy of pops and bangs

Both! I'm trying very hard to refrain from modding

 

[Riko0073]

Both! I'm trying very hard to refrain from modding

You’ll know when you’re ready mate but I’ve got to say I’m enjoying the car so much more now which I didn’t think could get any better!

 

[Scottkcollins]

Hey guys

So a bit earlier than I was planning I’ve gone ahead and had the REVO stage 1 done on my 2019 GPF RS3.

After reading some feedback from @Dan_DJT who’s been developing this on REVO’s test car, running his own pre GPF car with some good comparisons between the two and the fact REVO don’t look to chase big numbers but making the car usable with a smooth power delivery I knew I had to go for it!

What can I say, the car pulls harder especially around 3,000rpm+ but the delivery is so smooth you don’t realise the speeds you’re hitting, it’s just like the car was like this out of the factory but with a big whallop of extra torque, exactly what I was after.

I’m not bothered about the numbers but Dan advises around +60bhp and +110nm which is plenty for me.

Now...I’ve been quite vocal about the pre GPF noise and that I was actually drawn to the GPF car as it was slightly muted without pops and bangs which I preferred, however the REVO tune adds back in the pops/bangs/burbles but these are quite easily controlled by throttle input and gear changes that I can drive pretty quick without much interference from these...BUT with some sharp throttle input or gear changes then there’s pops and bangs a plenty, SO....I have to eat my words and say what a ****** hoot, talk about feeling like a naughty teenager with an ASBO, with the valve controller and the tune the car to me is now a perfect blend of noise and performance!

So glad I went for it, yes there’s always the worry of warranty but you’ve got to enjoy these cars and it’s given the GPF car that extra oomph it deserves.

If you’re thinking about tuning your GPF car then I’d highly recommend the REVO stage 1, please let me know if you have any questions and sure Dan will be on hand to answer any technical question

This does not help me at all!!

Great to hear you are enjoying the remap and great review, sounds like it really changes the car. Did you buy the sps device so you can return to stock?

 

[Riko0073]

This does not help me at all!!

Great to hear you are enjoying the remap and great review, sounds like it really changes the car. Did you buy the sps device so you can return to stock?

Thanks mate, the difference is subtle I’d say in terms of the way it delivers the power but it does really liven it up and with the added exhaust theatrics it does give it more of a ‘raw’ side which I know some think was missing from an RS car due to the GPF, it’s still not as loud as a PFL or pre GPF car but has a lovely tone with the valve controller and the added burble/pops, will try get a video posted so you can hear the difference.

 

[Riko0073]

No numbers, no care.

Glad you're happy with it though Riko! Enjoy it mate.

Haha, not to bothered about the numbers or bragging rights, just enjoying the car with some extra power.

Thanks mate

 

[123Quattro]

If you're pleased with the results that is all that maters.

Would have been nice to see before and after dyno figures though. Curious if the gains are as advertised, and what the base numbers were.

Not that I doubt Dan_DJT who seems a great guy, but for me, I'd need to see the actual gains, and that voiding warranty was worth it, and that REVO is the right choice.

I'm surprised you still need the valve controller. Pretty sure a tune can code the valves to do the same thing.

 

[Riko0073]

If you're pleased with the results that is all that maters.

Would have been nice to see before and after dyno figures though. Curious if the gains are as advertised, and what the base numbers were.

Not that I doubt Dan_DJT who seems a great guy, but for me, I'd need to see the actual gains, and that voiding warranty was worth it, and that REVO is the right choice.

I'm surprised you still need the valve controller. Pretty sure a tune can code the valves to do the same thing.

Yes very happy with it and happy based on the claimed gains from REVO, not crazy numbers and you can definitely feel that extra power/torque.

Yes I did think that of the controller but it’s fitted already so no hassle, had I knew I was going for a tune this early I wouldn’t have bought the controller but there ya go!

 

[Tartaris]

Yes I did think that of the controller but it’s fitted already so no hassle, had I knew I was going for a tune this early I wouldn’t have bought the controller but there ya go!

Does the tune program the valves to stay open all the time??

 

[5pot4banger]

I’m not bothered about the numbers but Dan advises around +60bhp and +110nm which is plenty for me.

I know you're not chasing numbers but these figures seem awfully low even for a stage 1? I took a look on their website and there's no mention of a low/high torque file so just wondering if this is the standard or you asked for a more "safe" tune? Or do gpf cars react differently to the tune?

Unitronic stage 1 tune only is 500bhp and 680nm which is about +100bhp and +200nm on normal 98 pump fuel. I wouldn't be too concerned about the bhp but the torque is a massive difference. APR go even harder and I feel like out of all the off the shelf tuners they're the most focused on numbers, quarter mile times, etc which I like.

Not hating and I know you were after a safer less boosty tune but just some food since it's essentially almost double the gains? Unless I'm missing something and Revo have a Stage 1 + option or whatever.

 

[123Quattro]

Does the tune program the valves to stay open all the time??

I'd be surprised if it doesn't frankly.

Yes I did think that of the controller but it’s fitted already so no hassle, had I knew I was going for a tune this early I wouldn’t have bought the controller but there ya go!

Point is Riko, that if the tune does address Audi's wacky valve control and opens them fully in Dynamic/Sport then you don't need your valve controller anymore. Could maybe sell it and offset the cost of the tune?

 

[Tartaris]

hmmm...might just ask my tuner what their tune does to the valves....brb.

 

[Tartaris]

Turns out they don't have a tune yet, as we haven't had the 2020 RS3 reach Australia quite yet. I'd say May we'll see.

 

[Riko0073]

I'd be surprised if it doesn't frankly.



Point is Riko, that if the tune does address Audi's wacky valve control and opens them fully in Dynamic/Sport then you don't need your valve controller anymore. Could maybe sell it and offset the cost of the tune?

Yes good point, I’ll ask the question.

 

[Slowracer]

I know you're not chasing numbers but these figures seem awfully low even for a stage 1? I took a look on their website and there's no mention of a low/high torque file so just wondering if this is the standard or you asked for a more "safe" tune? Or do gpf cars react differently to the tune?

Unitronic stage 1 tune only is 500bhp and 680nm which is about +100bhp and +200nm on normal 98 pump fuel. I wouldn't be too concerned about the bhp but the torque is a massive difference. APR go even harder and I feel like out of all the off the shelf tuners they're the most focused on numbers, quarter mile times, etc which I like.

Not hating and I know you were after a safer less boosty tune but just some food since it's essentially almost double the gains? Unless I'm missing something and Revo have a Stage 1 + option or whatever.

Unitronic website says tage 1 power is 470 and 635nM.

 

[Riko0073]

I know you're not chasing numbers but these figures seem awfully low even for a stage 1? I took a look on their website and there's no mention of a low/high torque file so just wondering if this is the standard or you asked for a more "safe" tune? Or do gpf cars react differently to the tune?

Unitronic stage 1 tune only is 500bhp and 680nm which is about +100bhp and +200nm on normal 98 pump fuel. I wouldn't be too concerned about the bhp but the torque is a massive difference. APR go even harder and I feel like out of all the off the shelf tuners they're the most focused on numbers, quarter mile times, etc which I like.

Not hating and I know you were after a safer less boosty tune but just some food since it's essentially almost double the gains? Unless I'm missing something and Revo have a Stage 1 + option or whatever.

Yeah I wasn’t concerned on numbers and absolutely wanted something that wasn’t too ‘boosty’ the figures quoted were fine with me and the results still feel very smooth but noticeable.

I guess if you’re after a harder tune then there are other tuners that may fit better but down to personal taste, for me I’m more than happy with the REVO tune and living with it daily has confirmed my choice and extremely happy.

 

[Tartaris]

for me I’m more than happy with the REVO tune and living with it daily has confirmed my choice and extremely happy.

Mate, and that's all that counts!

 

[Dan_DJT]

Just to answer a few queries.

The exhaust flaps are set to be open all the time in dynamic mode. In any other mode they are as stock apart from they will open slightly earlier depending on engine load. So in my opinion there is no need for a valve controller with a stg1 map.

@5pot4banger - Is the Unitronic stage 1 500bhp and 680Nm on the DNWA GPF engine and software/calibration only ?? All I can find is info for the DAZA engine. The two engines tune differently.

For those who need to know numbers, they are below.

Stock on our hub dyno was 370bhp and 493Nm. Stg1 was 430bhp and 610Nm

 

[banny650]

America/Canada do not get the DNWA engine, so the stage 1 results will be for the DAZA. Stage 1 on the OPF cars is slightly down on the pre opf cars APR stage1 on opf makes around 450-460 and 470lbft. This whole NM business is a bit gay to look make figures look better than they are!

 

[wuta3]

Just to answer a few queries.

The exhaust flaps are set to be open all the time in dynamic mode. In any other mode they are as stock apart from they will open slightly earlier depending on engine load. So in my opinion there is no need for a valve controller with a stg1 map.

@5pot4banger - Is the Unitronic stage 1 500bhp and 680Nm on the DNWA GPF engine and software/calibration only ?? All I can find is info for the DAZA engine. The two engines tune differently.

For those who need to know numbers, they are below.

Stock on our hub dyno was 370bhp and 493Nm. Stg1 was 430bhp and 610Nm

I think those unitronic figures are from their stage1+ (98RON) tune (for stock DAZA hardware) ??

https://www.getunitronic.com/ecu-tuning/Audi-RS3-8V-25TFSI-2018-2018-stage1plus

 

[123Quattro]

Stock on our hub dyno was 370bhp and 493Nm. Stg1 was 430bhp and 610Nm

Have you had a stock DAZA pre-OPF RS3 on that same hub dyno? I'd really like to know how they compared stock for stock. I think I'm right in saying hub dynos read lower than inertial dynos? Both numbers so seem terribly low compared to some of your competitors results. I assume this is why and could use some justification if only to sell some more tunes

 

[Dan_DJT]

Have you had a stock DAZA pre-OPF RS3 on that same hub dyno? I'd really like to know how they compared stock for stock. I think I'm right in saying hub dynos read lower than inertial dynos? Both numbers so seem terribly low compared to some of your competitors results. I assume this is why and could use some justification if only to sell some more tunes

All dynos vary, especially at aftermarket tuner level, they can only be relied upon for comparison which shows the gains. So we are +60bhp and +117Nm which is good for a stg1 remap.

DAZA numbers are on the website.

 

[123Quattro]

All dynos vary, especially at aftermarket tuner level, they can only be relied upon for comparison which shows the gains. So we are +60bhp and +117Nm which is good for a stg1 remap.

DAZA numbers are on the website.

Umm... that's not really an answer mate. As you said yourself all dynos vary. So what's a DAZA make on that exact same dyno? Have you any real world results? The website (I assume you mean onlyrevo.com) only gives generic figures, and appears to be US based, so not really a comparison.

Not trying to grille you or belittle the product, just interested in a true comparison of the 2 models so as to understand the (seemingly low) numbers you have provided.

 

[Dan_DJT]

Not sure why you feel the website is US based, it's all UK based. Real world results ? for what ? The numbers from DAZA are on the website along with dyno plots.

 

[123Quattro]

Not sure why you feel the website is US based, it's all UK based. Real world results ? for what ? The numbers from DAZA are on the website along with dyno plots.

Apologies, it came up in US dollars for me, but that is my connection. If you are happy to call those graphs and generic numbers dyno plots, and don't see the need show real world results or discuss comparisons then I guess there's no further questions here.

 

[Dan_DJT]

Apologies, it came up in US dollars for me, but that is my connection. If you are happy to call those graphs and generic numbers dyno plots, and don't see the need show real world results or discuss comparisons then I guess there's no further questions here.

I'm here to answer any queries for the DNWA tuning as the OP states. All existing DAZA tuning was done before I started, so I can not quote anything other than the data on the website. I might tune my own DAZA car soon so will see how it compares with the same method of calibration and dyno testing.

 

[Riko0073]

Just to reiterate my original post and the reason I went for REVO.

I wanted a tune that would make a difference but make the car easy to live with, yes it’s only a stage 1 tune but I didn’t want to chase big numbers at the sacrifice of having a car that was to ‘boosty’ and not being able to put that power down with interference of the traction control. The REVO tune has done exactly that and keeps the original characteristics and then some, the delivery is very smooth and linear which is what I was after, the car handles the extra power and have only once had a flicker of traction control when booting it off a roundabout in sport reaching license losing speeds in a flash!

I’m pretty new to tuning, some have said that the REVO tune is maybe a ‘safe’ tune due to not quoting or hitting bigger numbers quoted by other tuners, I guess that every tune has its risks and as my car is only 6 months old I considered the REVO tune and liked their approach and from Dan’s feedback on their development GPF RS3 results. Safe or not the figures quoted seemed achievable/realistic and just gives the car a new edge, the pops/burbles I have to admit are a nice touch and I can now see why you guys with pre GPF cars we’re disappointed that they had been removed due to the new EU regs, however they’re so easily controllable on the tune and not ridiculous like some cars I’ve heard that they are a pleasant edition.

I can comment on the tune itself and can say it’s brilliant for what I was after, I’m sure they’ll be more feedback and info from REVO as this tune goes mainstream. They’ll be those hunting higher figures and will be interesting on other tuners results and figures on the newer DNWA engine, as Dan has stated the 2 engines are different and react to tuning differently by the sound of it and this was apparent from the CarWow test and dyno results they posted when looking at stock.

Anyway, I’m enjoying the car at a whole new level, enjoy your car guys in whatever direction you take them on the tuning front

 

[D0C]

Liked my Revo tune on the TTRS. Nice and smooth. And 0-60mph in 3.1s wasn’t too shabby for stage 1

 

[N-Sinc]

Unitronic website says tage 1 power is 470 and 635nM.

I had my 2017 RS3 taken to stage 1 at MRC a few weeks back. Went to 695nm... Does this sound too high then? Standard it was 455nm... so +240nm!

Does an easy 3.2 secs to 60mph, and 7.2 secs to 100mph on Dragy (first and only attempt). And 7.6 secs 100-200kph.

Regarding the comments about it being a subtle difference. There's absolutely nothing subtle about mine. It delivers the power violently. The Revo must be a completely different tune!

 

[Riko0073]

I had my 2017 RS3 taken to stage 1 at MRC a few weeks back. Went to 695nm... Does this sound too high then? Standard it was 455nm... so +240nm!

Does an easy 3.2 secs to 60mph, and 7.2 secs to 100mph on Dragy (first and only attempt). And 7.6 secs 100-200kph.

Regarding the comments about it being a subtle difference. There's absolutely nothing subtle about mine. It delivers the power violently. The Revo must be a completely different tune!

I’m no expert but this sounds like the extreme of a stage 1 tune and something I personally didn’t want, impressive figures nonetheless and if you’re happy with it then that’s what counts mate

It seems that even the stock pre GPF car is more aggressive in its power delivery compared to the newer GPF car which is smoother so the tuning will just heighten those aspects I guess but based on the type of map loaded? Did MRC give you options as to the type of tune they were offering?

 

[wuta3]

I had my 2017 RS3 taken to stage 1 at MRC a few weeks back. Went to 695nm... Does this sound too high then? Standard it was 455nm... so +240nm!

Does an easy 3.2 secs to 60mph, and 7.2 secs to 100mph on Dragy (first and only attempt). And 7.6 secs 100-200kph.

Regarding the comments about it being a subtle difference. There's absolutely nothing subtle about mine. It delivers the power violently. The Revo must be a completely different tune!

I've heard the MRC tune being touted as good. I'm definitely in the market for a stage 1 but only a map that people have ran for a few years with no major issues, especially with such a spread of power between tuners.

What kind of power is the MRC stage 1 putting out?

 

[N-Sinc]

I’m no expert but this sounds like the extreme of a stage 1 tune and something I personally didn’t want, impressive figures nonetheless and if you’re happy with it then that’s what counts mate

It seems that even the stock pre GPF car is more aggressive in its power delivery compared to the newer GPF car which is smoother so the tuning will just heighten those aspects I guess but based on the type of map loaded? Did MRC give you options as to the type of tune they were offering?

Nope. No offer of different tunes. Just an option DSG map, which i took. Really improves the gear changes. they're completely normal in comfort, but in manual at high revs, they're super aggressive and very fast. On par speed wise with the Porsche PDK box in my Macan S!

I've heard the MRC tune being touted as good. I'm definitely in the market for a stage 1 but only a map that people have ran for a few years with no major issues, especially with such a spread of power between tuners.

What kind of power is the MRC stage 1 putting out?

Mine is putting out 480bhp. Had my old B5 S4 tuned at MRC and i trust them completely. Car will be completely safe with what they've done.

 

[wuta3]

Nope. No offer of different tunes. Just an option DSG map, which i took. Really improves the gear changes. they're completely normal in comfort, but in manual at high revs, they're super aggressive and very fast. On par speed wise with the Porsche PDK box in my Macan S!



Mine is putting out 480bhp. Had my old B5 S4 tuned at MRC and i trust them completely. Car will be completely safe with what they've done.

Damn. Very very tempted. I only have 2k miles under my right foot stock too.

 

[Riko0073]

Nope. No offer of different tunes. Just an option DSG map, which i took. Really improves the gear changes. they're completely normal in comfort, but in manual at high revs, they're super aggressive and very fast. On par speed wise with the Porsche PDK box in my Macan S!



Mine is putting out 480bhp. Had my old B5 S4 tuned at MRC and i trust them completely. Car will be completely safe with what they've done.

How so on the gear changes? I had a tuning box and TCU flash done on my B9 S4 and the gear changes were way too aggressive for my liking, felt like something would break eventually!

I agree that a gearbox map would help as the box is a bit slow/hesitant sometimes, TVS seems to offer a good option on this I hear.

 

[5pot4banger]

@5pot4banger - Is the Unitronic stage 1 500bhp and 680Nm on the DNWA GPF engine and software/calibration only ?? All I can find is info for the DAZA engine. The two engines tune differently.

We don't have any of the gpf rs3's in Australia so it's just the DAZA engine. I'm going off what my garage and their dyno says though, not the website as I was seriously considering them but APR offer a stage 3 map for the TTE700 so will just stick to them + they've been bulletproof tunes on both my pfl and mk7r.

I had my 2017 RS3 taken to stage 1 at MRC a few weeks back. Went to 695nm... Does this sound too high then? Standard it was 455nm... so +240nm!

Does an easy 3.2 secs to 60mph, and 7.2 secs to 100mph on Dragy (first and only attempt). And 7.6 secs 100-200kph.

Regarding the comments about it being a subtle difference. There's absolutely nothing subtle about mine. It delivers the power violently. The Revo must be a completely different tune!

That's a monster. Difference of 240nm is insane.

 

[Tartaris]

We don't have any of the gpf rs3's in Australia so it's just the DAZA engine

Start seeing those in May/June.

 

[N-Sinc]

We don't have any of the gpf rs3's in Australia so it's just the DAZA engine. I'm going off what my garage and their dyno says though, not the website as I was seriously considering them but APR offer a stage 3 map for the TTE700 so will just stick to them + they've been bulletproof tunes on both my pfl and mk7r.




That's a monster. Difference of 240nm is insane.

It's very very quick. Had a blast with a Tesla P85D a couple of days back. Absolutely destroyed him. Wasn't even remotely close. Sat behind him easily off the lights up a big dual carriageway to about 80mph, then he moved over and i went flying past. We had a little chat at the bottom and he was completely gobsmacked. Told me he was absolutely going for it and had expected to leave me for dead.