Next model A3

Ormesome said:
Im on board with the criticism of the exhausts. Not sure why they did it. Must be relating the the amount of emissions the engine produces or the size of the engine. My 2.0tdi Q2 has double rear exhausts that uses the exhasuts, much like the diesel A3 i guess?

As a side note, cant wait till you petrol guys all end up with petrol particualte filter..... they are coming!!! beware!! :haha:

Anyone got any odds on the S3 being a diesel?

https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buyi...articulate-filter-and-how-does-it-work/n19953
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What do you mean by PPF is coming? Have been here since mid 2018
 
Ormesome said:
I know, it wont be any different but im curious due to the marketing. Petrol engines are for lower mileage drivers, diesel for more than 15k per year (give or take). So what do we do now? We are being told that petrol engines are easier to run regens due to heating up quicker and not requiring the time a diesel engine takes to force a regen, but in reality the petrol engines will act very similarly to diesel engines now. @JonW is the only person i know that has a petrol particulate filter so it would be interesting to know what its like in real, every day life.
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My 2019 3.0 BMW X3 has one, apart from being quieter (still a good enough sound for me) than the 2017/2018 pre PPF X3’s I couldn’t tell you what effect it has apart from the above and apparently consumption.
 
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cuke2u said:
Petrol engine heat cycles still do not perform the same as diesels just because they have the same technology. You may need to read up on your physics. Petrol engines still run far hotter than diesels and do you really think they've bolted them onto our cars without thoroughly testing how they'd regenerate?
Regeneration with petrol engines are passive, there is no real need to raise the exhaust temperatures under normal circumstances, unlike diesels. Plus the particulate emissions of a GDI has a mass some 10-30 times smaller than a diesel. Thus regens are further apart and will be shorter in length...
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Which probably explains why I don’t (and didn’t expect to) notice anything I.RT regen cycles
 
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X3man said:
What do you mean by PPF is coming? Have been here since mid 2018
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My comment was poking fun at the people commenting on the DPF regens and so on. People with a petrol engine cant wait to jump on the "DPF regen" bandwagon. Are they standard in petrol model Audi's? the S3? If they arent, then my comment stands, they are coming!

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Petrol engine heat cycles still do not perform the same as diesels just because they have the same technology. You may need to read up on your physics. Petrol engines still run far hotter than diesels and do you really think they've bolted them onto our cars without thoroughly testing how they'd regenerate?
Regeneration with petrol engines are passive, there is no real need to raise the exhaust temperatures under normal circumstances, unlike diesels. Plus the particulate emissions of a GDI has a mass some 10-30 times smaller than a diesel. Thus regens are further apart and will be shorter in length...
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Not a physisist and dont claim to be one. But the info you posted is surely the same as what car manfacturers claimed when DPFs first became standard. Noone was told that they had to burn off the soot by doing a trip down the motorway or do more than 15k miles. Im just trying to assertain from a real life perspective what will happen. I dont need physics to tell me that it will be different to a diesel engine. I think thats faily basic knowledge. We have 1 member saying "its pants" and one saying he doesnt even know its happening. Lets get to the bottom of it with real life experiences shall we?
 
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TYb said:
Interesting review of the S4.

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Looks great in Quanttum grey. The interior is a weird one, looks like Audi gave it the VC update and new screen but the rest of interior doesnt seem like its been given the full refresh to be like the A1,Q3 etc.... Is this a midlife facelift?
 
Ormesome said:
My comment was poking fun at the people commenting on the DPF regens and so on. People with a petrol engine cant wait to jump on the "DPF regen" bandwagon. Are they standard in petrol model Audi's? the S3? If they arent, then my comment stands, they are coming!



Not a physisist and dont claim to be one. But the info you posted is surely the same as what car manfacturers claimed when DPFs first became standard. Noone was told that they had to burn off the soot by doing a trip down the motorway or do more than 15k miles. Im just trying to assertain from a real life perspective what will happen. I dont need physics to tell me that it will be different to a diesel engine. I think thats faily basic knowledge. We have 1 member saying "its pants" and one saying he doesnt even know its happening. Lets get to the bottom of it with real life experiences shall we?
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Not just Audi, ALL cars have them...EU emissions regulations, so obv. Not All other regions in the world
 
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Ormesome said:
Im on board with the criticism of the exhausts. Not sure why they did it. Must be relating the the amount of emissions the engine produces or the size of the engine. My 2.0tdi Q2 has double rear exhausts that uses the exhasuts, much like the diesel A3 i guess?

As a side note, cant wait till you petrol guys all end up with petrol particualte filter..... they are coming!!! beware!! :haha:

Anyone got any odds on the S3 being a diesel?

https://www.whatcar.com/advice/buyi...articulate-filter-and-how-does-it-work/n19953
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I personally don't think that the new S3 will be a diesel because I can't really see any valid reason why it would be. The 4 pot petrol fits the car very nicely and the economy really isn't that bad for the performance you get.
 
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I doubt it too, the trend still appears to be petrol engines in the smaller class of Audi's...
 
Ormesome said:
Looks great in Quanttum grey. The interior is a weird one, looks like Audi gave it the VC update and new screen but the rest of interior doesnt seem like its been given the full refresh to be like the A1,Q3 etc.... Is this a midlife facelift?
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It’s a facelift rather than new model.
 
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AlS3BE said:
With the s6 losing 100bhp(~20% less) and going diesel the new s3 will probably be the 2.0 twin turbo diesel with around 240bhp from the current 300bhp wltp model.
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The S3 is staying petrol mate, Audi have confirmed already. As it’s only 2.0 there’s not much more economy they can push out of it really by going diesel. The likes of the S6 are bigger cars so I can see why they would make them more efficient as well as throw them some more torque.
 
AlS3BE said:
With the s6 losing 100bhp(~20% less) and going diesel the new s3 will probably be the 2.0 twin turbo diesel with around 240bhp from the current 300bhp wltp model.
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Audi have already confirmed the S3 will be staying petrol mate. As it’s only a 2.0 there’s not going to be much gain in term of efficiency. The S6 et al on the other hand are bigger cars and aimed at a different market, so I can see why they’ve gone down the diesel route to give them a bit more torque and economy.
 
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BrummieLad said:
Audi have already confirmed the S3 will be staying petrol mate. As it’s only a 2.0 there’s not going to be much gain in term of efficiency. The S6 et al on the other hand are bigger cars and aimed at a different market, so I can see why they’ve gone down the diesel route to give them a bit more torque and economy.
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Most A6 / S6 cars on the road are company cars anyway. So you can see Audi's reasoning. It's a shame the S4 has gone Diesel too, but the A4 is a big old bus now, and doubt many private buyers considered it a sports saloon.
 
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wab172uk said:
Most A6 / S6 cars on the road are company cars anyway. So you can see Audi's reasoning. It's a shame the S4 has gone Diesel too, but the A4 is a big old bus now, and doubt many private buyers considered it a sports saloon.

I was tempted by the S4 last year having sat in one at the dealers when having some work done. I guess we shall have to see what the final product looks like, not long to wait now. Hope is all well with you and the cars running flawlessly with the new engine, you decided on a replacement yet?
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BrummieLad said:
I know it’s not official yet but does anyone know roughly when the S3 will be released? Looking online there seems to be some conflicting info on when we can see the new A3 on the roads, ranging from end of this year to March next year. I do hope the S3 is not left until late next year, as ideally I’d like one for the summer if I decide to go for it.
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According to my earlier post the German online magazine says:
A3: We'll see the 2020 Audi A3 in Frankfurt; it has been spotted testing in camo all summer long in hatchback and sedan form, with sales scheduled to start early next year. The sportier S3 will follow later in 2020, offering around 300 hp.
 
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I'll be in a Fiesta ST by then but I am looking forward to seeing the new A3.
 
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JohnM100 said:
That’s appalling.

How long before dirty exhaust tips become a badge of honour for petrol pre-WLTP cars?
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Ok I am not a diesel fan but having done some online research as admittedly have not seen/ driven one in the flesh I do now think I sort of understand where Audi are coming from and a nod to their efforts on feeling & noise. Whether it will work for the S4 remains to be seen.

As for the new A/S/RS 3 - who knows.
 
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JohnM100 said:
Ok I am not a diesel fan but having done some online research as admittedly have not seen/ driven one in the flesh I do now think I sort of understand where Audi are coming from and a nod to their efforts on feeling & noise. Whether it will work for the S4 remains to be seen.

As for the new A/S/RS 3 - who knows.
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I have no idea what this post means. Sorry if I am being stupid.
 
BrummieLad said:
I was tempted by the S4 last year having sat in one at the dealers when having some work done. I guess we shall have to see what the final product looks like, not long to wait now. Hope is all well with you and the cars running flawlessly with the new engine, you decided on a replacement yet?
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It's running ok. Trying to drive it at much as possible to run the new engine in. Needs to go back next week, as dealer has agreed to re-furbish the 2 rear alloys. It also needs the tracking sorting out as the steering wheel is slightly to the left. Not a great deal, but enough to annoy my OCD, lol.

Replacement? Well, I'm about to take procession next week of my late Dad's Hyundia Tuscon 185 TDI. I'm going top run it for a couple months to see if I like it or not. Given we mainly holiday in the UK, it'll take a lot more s**t than the S3 will. It's got 2 years warranty left on it too.

I'm just concerned anything else goes wrong with the S3, it's all money out of my pocket. So take the Tuscon, sell the S3 and Twingo RS, and then next years it's now a toss up between .......

Sell the Tuscon too and buy an A35 AMG Saloon. Or maybe even buy a new RS5. Been very drawn to them now after sitting in a couple of them. Look great in Red.

The other alternative is keep the Tuscon and buy a second hand 911 Carrera T. That's the preferred choice. Though Porsche only have 5 manuals within the network. None of which are the right spec I want.
 
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wab172uk said:
It's running ok. Trying to drive it at much as possible to run the new engine in. Needs to go back next week, as dealer has agreed to re-furbish the 2 rear alloys. It also needs the tracking sorting out as the steering wheel is slightly to the left. Not a great deal, but enough to annoy my OCD, lol.

Replacement? Well, I'm about to take procession next week of my late Dad's Hyundia Tuscon 185 TDI. I'm going top run it for a couple months to see if I like it or not. Given we mainly holiday in the UK, it'll take a lot more s**t than the S3 will. It's got 2 years warranty left on it too.

I'm just concerned anything else goes wrong with the S3, it's all money out of my pocket. So take the Tuscon, sell the S3 and Twingo RS, and then next years it's now a toss up between .......

Sell the Tuscon too and buy an A35 AMG Saloon. Or maybe even buy a new RS5. Been very drawn to them now after sitting in a couple of them. Look great in Red.

The other alternative is keep the Tuscon and buy a second hand 911 Carrera T. That's the preferred choice. Though Porsche only have 5 manuals within the network. None of which are the right spec I want.
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Sorry to hear about your father glad the cars is running better. I get what you mean about OCD as I’m the same the tiniest of things annoy me. I changed all four of my alloys back in May as I learned the previous set, but I’ve managed to inflict tiny marks on the new set too which annoys me everytime I look at the car lol. It seems the cars are not built to last like they used to, but then I again why would they as they wouldn’t sell any parts or new cars. I would rather go for the RS5 over the A35 but the prices are alarmingly high at present.
 
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BrummieLad said:
Sorry to hear about your father glad the cars is running better. I get what you mean about OCD as I’m the same the tiniest of things annoy me. I changed all four of my alloys back in May as I learned the previous set, but I’ve managed to inflict tiny marks on the new set too which annoys me everytime I look at the car lol. It seems the cars are not built to last like they used to, but then I again why would they as they wouldn’t sell any parts or new cars. I would rather go for the RS5 over the A35 but the prices are alarmingly high at present.
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Cheers BrummieLad.

Yeah, I was on Audi configurator Saturday, and an RS5 was coming out at just under £70k. An RS4 a Grand or so less. Prefer the look of the RS5, but the RS4 will be more practical. Wouldn't go 5 door RS5 either. To be fair, there's not a lot of options to tick, as both RS4 & 5 come pretty much fully loaded. Will see what discounts are available in a few months. I'm probably going to go 911 though. Nearly bought a Cayman GT4 a few months ago, but the GF wasn't keen. 911 more practical and more GT than road racer.

Plus in 3 years, the RS5 will have lost more than the 911 will have. But it comes down to New v Old..
 
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wab172uk said:
Cheers BrummieLad.

Yeah, I was on Audi configurator Saturday, and an RS5 was coming out at just under £70k. An RS4 a Grand or so less. Prefer the look of the RS5, but the RS4 will be more practical. Wouldn't go 5 door RS5 either. To be fair, there's not a lot of options to tick, as both RS4 & 5 come pretty much fully loaded. Will see what discounts are available in a few months. I'm probably going to go 911 though. Nearly bought a Cayman GT4 a few months ago, but the GF wasn't keen. 911 more practical and more GT than road racer.

Plus in 3 years, the RS5 will have lost more than the 911 will have. But it comes down to New v Old..
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Get tests booked in and go with your heart mate, RS5 and 4 are great machines, the 911 will hold its value better and probably more smiles. The GT4 is a great looking car, may be consider a new girlfriend ;-)
 
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I guess we won’t be seeing the car this week then. Why is the A3 so special lol

“A RS6 performance version of the Audi A6 wagon with a mild-hybrid V-8 engine will also be unveiled, heading what Audi describes as a new wave of RS products. One of those is the new RS7. Audi is saving the debut of its latest A3 for a stand-alone event after the show, reports said”
 
cuke2u said:
It'll be 2020, as already stated...
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That’s when it will be available for order not the launch of the car. I’ve just read the golf mk8 is scheduled for next month so A3 can’t be far behind.
 
News on the relase of the new A3 appears to have stalled somewhat.

Reading this thread and a few others, it suggests a lot of long term Audi owners are migrating to other brands or hanging on to what they have (like me).

I must say I am interested to see what the new A3 is like in its final form, but I am not desperate to order one.

It just feels like new cars have lost thier spark & there doesn't feel the same degree of anticpation or excitement as previous launches or anything else out there at the moment which is drawing attention - prices sky rocketting doesn't help of course either.
 
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Maybe the S3 will be around then? Hope so as I was looking forward to it being revealed this month.
 
Mythos said:
Maybe the S3 will be around then? Hope so as I was looking forward to it being revealed this month.
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Me too though I’m not sure about the S3, however the A3 is likely to be introduced along side the golf next month.
 
It would not be good marketing decision from VAG to introduce two of their rivals in the same month...
 
agreed ... the Golf is always released first with a3 a few months after.
 
B33r said:
I agree, the VC looks no where near as nice as the one in the existing A3. It kinda looks like a very poor version of the one in the merc A-class.


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What on Earth is going on with the droopy headlights
 
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Yeah it looks quite uninspiring and bland doesn't it.

It has gotta look better in the final model surely - the Golf for VW and A3 for Audi are massively important cars so get these cars wrong and they will be in trouble.
 
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When i watched the Audi news conference from Frankfurt on Tuesday there was mention of further new models being released at the Los Angeles motor show. Not sure when that is.....
I now have a Q3 so I'm getting used to the new corporate dash and I quite like it. It's easier to use than the previous wheel based version.
 
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