RTS clutch

[Leevr]

Anyone had any dealings with this make of clutch. Looking to swap out my Sachs as it's not doing well in my car.

 

[Scotty75]

Thought the Sachs clutches were supposed to be the nuts mate . Your S3 chewed it up already ?

 

[Leevr]

Got juddering issues in first on take up with juddering 4th to 3rd, 3rd to 2nd. Stinks everytime you use reverse or push it hard and being organic it REALLY smells. New clutch with downpipe and sports cat and stage 2 is my option.

 

[Scotty75]

Fair play mate that doesn't sound good

 

[FussyPartss]

Hi Mate- I have 8p s3

Just bought this clutch myself, Replaced my dual mass flywheel aswell with the single and slave done at awesome
I am currently in the process of bedding it in, There is juddering setting off and reversing the guys at awesome told me to bed it in it should go away.

Have to rev the car to approx 1.5k setting off and it doesnt judder.. Not had juddering downshifting or going through gears though.

Done approx 100 miles - 200 miles so far, Going to test it some tomorrow see how bad the juddering actually is with setting off as some people say it shouldnt happen at all with a new flywheel.. Not sure where i stand on this to be honest.

 

[MikeParkin]

Did you get the Sachs Sinted clutch @Leevr

 

[Leevr]

I'm not entirely sure what clutch version it was. It was fitted by Dan and Jamie at TRD. Sachs organic is all I know. Just done 2 420 miles trips and when it's hot its really bad. Massive vibrations. Cant wait to get shot of it. Just hope it's not my dual mass that shot. Was perfect before the new clutch.

 

[MikeParkin]

If it’s organic then it can’t take the torque mate. I can certainly say if you had the 4 paddle sinted clutch it would be fine. Mine hasn’t missed a beat.

 

[Damo S]

I've got the Sachs organic (original DMF) and it seems to handle the extra torque OK (391lbs foot). I haven't done any launches (and never will) but absolutely no slippage any time otherwise. It did judder initially as described above but that settled after a couple of 1000 miles or so.

 

[Leevr]

I'm on sachs for stage 1. It apparently will just cope with stage 2. Mine is shot and has been getting worse from day 1. Going for an RTS clutch from awsome GTI. Paddle on one side normal organic circumference on other. Stage 2 in 2 weeks for me.

 

[+Daz+]

Watching with interest to see how you find the clutch.Looking to go Stage 2 end of September but want to keep as near stock feel as possible.

 

[Leevr]

Well the saga continues. I'm now stage 2 with the new RTS clutch and new dual mass flywheel. Guys at TRD did a 9 mile test drive before I picked it up, all good. I picked it up and initial first gear pull away was perfect. RTS is identical in pressure to an OE clutch. Drove onto the motorway and preceded to do 60 miles with the occasional gear change, no less than 4th. Took my junction off the motorway came to a stop in traffic, slight uphill. Went to move off and juddering clutch. Every time i stopped and moved of in first judder. Juddering badly in reverse with smell. Went out today. Cold car. Judder in first, second down shift and reverse. Absolutely identical to what was happening with the Sachs clutch. My thought is that its something else in the system causing this. When i had the OE clutch i had no judder at all, just slipping in higher gears. Anyone got any ideas what I could be. Dont want to end up writing this clutch off aswell. I've had others drive it to make sure it's not my driving and it still judders.

 

[Leevr]

I've got the Sachs organic (original DMF) and it seems to handle the extra torque OK (391lbs foot). I haven't done any launches (and never will) but absolutely no slippage any time otherwise. It did judder initially as described above but that settled after a couple of 1000 miles or so.

How much material and blueing has potentially been done to the DMF and pressure plate with a couple of thousand miles of judder. Did yours judder cold or hot?

 

[MikeParkin]

Well the saga continues. I'm now stage 2 with the new RTS clutch and new dual mass flywheel. Guys at TRD did a 9 mile test drive before I picked it up, all good. I picked it up and initial first gear pull away was perfect. RTS is identical in pressure to an OE clutch. Drove onto the motorway and preceded to do 60 miles with the occasional gear change, no less than 4th. Took my junction off the motorway came to a stop in traffic, slight uphill. Went to move off and juddering clutch. Every time i stopped and moved of in first judder. Juddering badly in reverse with smell. Went out today. Cold car. Judder in first, second down shift and reverse. Absolutely identical to what was happening with the Sachs clutch. My thought is that its something else in the system causing this. When i had the OE clutch i had no judder at all, just slipping in higher gears. Anyone got any ideas what I could be. Dont want to end up writing this clutch off aswell. I've had others drive it to make sure it's not my driving and it still judders.

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I’m assuming they changed the throw out bearing ? @Leevr ? Just a thought that’s all but maybe that clutch can’t take the power. My Sachs sinted has been spot on and it’s been over 16k even with a torque increase.

 

[Leevr]

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I’m assuming they changed the throw out bearing ? @Leevr ? Just a thought that’s all but maybe that clutch can’t take the power. My Sachs sinted has been spot on and it’s been over 16k even with a torque increase.

Hi mate, will ask about the throw out bearing tomorrow. I'm only asking the clutch to pull away in first and for reversing into parking spaces. No torque loading of any sort to overcome the friction. Was contemplating asking them about the clutch restrictor valve washer mod. See if maybe that'll help. Dont want to end up with this one going the same way as the Sachs.

 

[Damo S]

How much material and blueing has potentially been done to the DMF and pressure plate with a couple of thousand miles of judder. Did yours judder cold or hot?

Worse when cold. It was just a bit during engaging of the clutch when pulling away. When reversing it was worse especially since I end to ride the clutch a bit. I cant imagine there would have been enough force / heat to cause any damage though.
It still does it a tiny bit if I pull away in any gear other than first. The stock clutch didnt do that. Obviously, that's a fairly unnecessary driving practice anyway.

 

[Leevr]

Just got back from TRD and I've had the clutch restrictor valve mod done, but it's not made a jot of difference. Clutch feel and judder are exactly the same. Dont know really where to go from here. They did they due to it being a sort of hybrid organic and paddle clutch that slight judder may be the norm. I may just have to live with it. With revs I can overcome the judder. Still open to any ideas or solutions you may have however far fetched.

 

[Damo S]

Did you run it in properly? I.e. take it very easy for 500 miles or so?

 

[Leevr]

I've done 360 miles so far on this RTS. It has a brand new DMF along with all new clutch. TRD didnt believe that this set up should judder as it's all new. Nothing is bedding into each other being of different ages and shapes. I ran the Sachs in properly for about 1500 and it got really bad it had to be changed. I've had clutches changed on performance cars before and never had issues like this. At a loss as to what to do. Live with it and hope it settles or try something else if it exists.

 

[JonnyS3]

Don’t suppose the garages have an oem clutch around that you could put in to see if it still exists ? Appreciate you’re running more power and it may slip but surely not at the time’s where you say you are getting the juddering ?

 

[Leevr]

When coming to the biting point if you dont have at least 2k + revs it will chatter. Which they say is the clutch exiting the DMF giving the chatter. It's fine if you are rolling and engage the clutch with revs. Seems ok when cold just after 5 to 10 mins of running with a bit of heat. A standard clutch would be useless with 400 bhp. I swapped out the standard clutch due to it slipping in 6 initially then it started in 6 and 5 and so on with standard power. When it came out it the friction material was only worn on a portion of the face. The writing was still visible on it. I swapped this out at 23k with stage 1 with the Sachs, that was terrible so went stage 2 with the RTS that awsome GTI rave about. I'm not spending out to put a standard clutch in. What doesn't help is the fact that the accelerator pedal in these cars have a delay like a dead spot so at times pressing it can be a lottery getting the right revs. Might get a pedal box, see if it helps.

 

[MikeParkin]

The mapping should have sorted any issues like that out I would have thought. I had a pedal box at one point and liked it but took it off once mapped. It’s worth a try I suppose, I keep thinking of ideas like we have discussed. Could you upload a video with sound etc if it’s possible?

 

[Damo S]

IIRC it took a couple of thousand miles for my sachs to sort itself out properly (and by that I mean mostly, it still can judder a bit sometimes)

 

[Liam O'Brien]

Just thought I'd bump this thread. I had the RTS clutch fitted back in August at Awesome. Felt ok to begin with, with a tiny bit of rumble in 1st gear when moving off as the OP said. 2500miles later, the judder in 1st has gotten worse. Strange thing is it seems like a lottery, sometimes worse than others.

I took my car to R-Tech on Monday and the guys there said they've seen several with the same issue. Just curious as to everyone else's experience since the last post?

Note: the only issue I have is moving from a standstill in 1st, the rest of the shifts and operation feel ok

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[MikeParkin]

My Sachs 4 paddle sinted clutch has been faultless