Trolley Jacks, Axle Stands, Rusty Hub Fix and Gtechniq C5

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Been wanting to tackle my rusty wheel hubs and protect my alloys with a quartz coating for a while now. That’s obviously a wheels off job. I don’t put a lot of faith in the scissor jack supplied with the car (aka the Widow Maker, this is for emergency use only IMO), so I set about researching the best way to do this safely and thought I’d share my experience in case it helps anyone else. Rusty hubs seem to be a common issue (not just for Audi).

This will be a TLDNR post for some (Too Long Did Not Read), but this detail would have helped me as I set about the task (there will be pictures to keep those less into the detail interested :thumbs up:).

It is intended to be a ‘Dummies Guide’ (for dummies like me – I’m no mechanic). Some aspects will be ‘teaching granny to suck eggs’ for many on here I’m sure, and I may have over-engineered the safety method, but (a) while the scissor jack and blocks of wood for axle stands approach may work perfectly well for some, it’s not for me and my S3, and (b) if I’m going to do this write-up, I might as well do it properly.

Thanks to @jungle650 for posts he’s made on this subject which helped me a lot. Top forum member.

This is the worst rusty hub of the 4 – and my car is only 2 years old (the others aren’t half as bad as this, but all 4 need sorting!):

Rusty Hub


Tools I chose to get the car in the air and the wheels off, and on again, safely:

- Clarke Strong Arm 2.5 tonne low profile trolley jack (CTJ2250LP - good reviews, sensible price, comes with sockets for the wheel nuts) £48

www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-ctj2250lp-2-25-tonne-low-profile-trolle/

- Clarke torque wrench (CHT141) – to remove wheel nuts and re-tighten them to the correct torque settings (120nm) £30

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cht141-1-2in-drive-torque-wrench/

- SGS 4 tonne (2 tonnes each) ratchet axle stands (with safety pin – most alternatives don’t have the belt and braces racket locking AND safety pin) £32

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/jsr2-axle-stands

- SGS protective rubber pads for the axle stands (because why not, has to be better than metal on metal) £6

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/rpj...=sgs_en&refSrc=2317&nosto=nosto-page-product1

- SGS wheel chocks. £6

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/wcr02-rubber-wheel-chocks

- Trolley jack pad (essentially a ‘hockey puck’ type affair, with a groove cut down the centre to ‘seat’ the jack neatly onto the pinch weld jacking points on my facelift 8V. Got this off Amazon - £6. Can’t post Amazon links on here, but search for ‘TengKo Jack Pad, Universal Slotted Rubber Jack Pad Frame Rail Protector 65mm’


Tools for life – and once they’re bought, they’re bought. All really good kit, although the cheap Tengko jack pad isn’t going to last forever (I’m viewing this as a disposable/renewable item. Better quality ones might be available, but the dimensions worked for the Clarke trolley jack).


Getting the car off the ground, jacking points, and wheels off:


First, remove the wheel nut covers using the plastic ‘tweezer’ tool supplied in the toolkit that came with your car. If you don’t have this/have lost it, the Audi part number is 8D0012244A. The LOCKING wheel nut covers on each wheel need a slightly different technique to easily remove. Pinch the tool on the corners, rather than on the flat faces of the nut cover as shown below:


Lock wheel nut cover



Before raising the car off the ground, ‘crack’/take the initial strain off the wheel nuts, but don’t remove the nuts – just break the initial tension. Doing this before you lift the car means the friction contact between the wheels and the ground makes this easier (and safer). This also makes you check you haven’t misplaced your locking wheel nut key before you go any further! All this might sound obvious, but I said this was going to be a detailed write-up :yes:. I lifted and removed both wheels (front and rear) on one side at the same time, so ‘crack’ the tension on BOTH before lifting.


Then use the trolley jack to raise the car. Make sure you are on level solid ground. Make sure your hand-brake is on. Place your wheel chocks, one behind the rear wheel and the other in front of the front wheel on the opposite side of the car.


To get the axle stands under the front AND rear of the car you ONLY need to use the FRONT jacking point – to locate this you’ll see an arrow pointing to it on the underside of your side skirt (see pic below).

Front jack point



Front axle stand placement shown below. Use the sub-frame as shown – do not use the pinch weld, or any of the plastic floor covers (obvs), or the axle itself, despite the name ‘axle’ stands). Don’t have the axle stand placed under any nuts on the sub-frame.

Front axle stand


Rear axle stand placement (the rubber mount shown here is made for the job, and much easier to place than the front axle stand):

Rear axle stand


To be able to place the front axle stand you need to go in with the trolley jack at an angle (as shown in the next pic), so that you have room to slide the axle stand under the car between the rear of the front wheel and in front of the trolley jack. You can’t do this if you go in with the trolley jack perpendicular to the side of the car (without crawling right under the front of the car, which I wasn’t going to do without the axle stands in place).

3 jack points


With the axle stands in situ, let the jack down (just a little bit) in a slow controlled manner until the axle stands are supporting the weight of the car, but while the jack still has a solid point of ‘contact’ itself. RE-LOCK the release valve on the jack and make sure the jack is still ‘taking the strain’. At this point I had 3 separate and very solid points of contact holding the car aloft on one side (belt and braces approach, but more (x3) contact points can’t be a daft method – safety first).


Then take each wheel off. Once you’ve removed the wheel nuts just be a bit careful when you’re lifting the wheel away from the hub. It would be all too easy to chip the paint on the rear of your wheel, or your brake caliper if you’re not concentrating at this point.


This method worked for me (there may be other ways of doing this). Time for a quick cuppa.


Tackling the rusty hubs:


Materials used and method:

- Give yourself a full day to do x2 hubs on one side of the car (due to paint drying times between coats)

- Ronson wire ‘tooth’ brushes (cheap as chips from Amazon), and sandpaper to get the worst of the rust off

- I used Bilt Hamber Auto Wheels and Surfex HD all-purpose cleanser to deep clean and de-grease the hubs after the rust removal was done

- A 15mm round nosed paint brush from Homebase proved to be ideal for the job

- Hammerite Smooth Silver (250ml tin is enough to do all 4 hubs, with enough left to spare to do 4 other cars – don’t buy the big pot!). I chose the brush-on as opposed to the spray-paint method as I didn’t fancy masking off the entire wheel arch, brake disc and caliper, and didn’t want to stress about potential over-spray. If you’re even mildly handy with a brush and have a half-steady hand, this method works fine and the Hammerite levels itself nicely. The spray-paint method would probably give a better finish if you can be @rsed with the masking prep, but they are wheel hubs at the end of the day – they don’t need to have the same finish as the bodywork. DO NOT PAINT THE FACE OF THE HUB (the flat face that your wheel sits on). There’s no point and this could be dangerous in my opinion as you would be compromising the contact point between the wheel and the hub. When you are painting work relatively quickly, and don’t be tempted to go back and re-brush sections you’ve just done - if you do the the paint can ‘drag’. Nowt to be worried about, but worthwhile practicing on something else before you apply to the hub to perfect your technique . 2 light coats does the job. Instructions say to leave 4 hours between coats, but it was 23 degrees outside today, so 3 hours was ample.

A reminder of 'before':

Rusty Hub


After front:

Front finished


After rear:

Rear finished


I'm not for a second pretending this is a perfect job, but it is a million times better than before, so I'm very happy with the results and that's all that counts.

Deep cleaning the wheels and G-techniq C5?

In between the 2 coats of paint I took the opportunity to deep clean the barrels of my wheels with BH Auto Wheel and Tac Systems Tar Zero (there were some pretty chunky tar deposits on the inside of my rims – Tar Zero is good stuff and a product I can happily recommend). I’m going to have tackle the coating of my alloys with Gtechniq C5 Wheel Armour on a separate occasion as (a) my order didn’t arrive in time and (b) didn’t want to stress test the missus with every minute of today spent on the car. So, wheels off again soon for wheel armour-age. Will post more on this.


Putting the wheels back on the car:

Get what you need in place by the wheel you are putting back on (i.e. your torque wrench and the wheel nuts, including locking wheel nut key). Carefully offer the wheel up and seat it on the ‘lip’ of the hub that you’ve just copper-greased. Hand-tighten each wheel nut (using the wrench socket) and then use your wrench to GRADUALLY tighten each (do one, then it’s opposite number, then work around in this fashion tightening each nut a little at a time so that the wheel ‘seats’ itself correctly back onto the hub). Tighten all nuts to 120nm of torque with your torque wrench. Pop your wheel nut covers back on.


Tomorrow:

When I repeat this process on the other side of the car tomorrow, I’m also going to use Hammerite Smooth Red (again a 250ml tin) to correct a couple of paint chips on the near-side rear caliper using a cocktail stick to apply. Will still have about 249ml of the tin left when I’ve done this, lol.

Chipped caliper


If you’ve read this far and enjoyed/got something out of it, then let me know, and please ask any questions you have. If it helps one person, it was worth spending the time to write-up. Cheers.
 
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Good write up :) and sometimes the for dummies stuff is best! When I did this last year I hadn't removed a car wheel without using an impact wrench... And that was over ten years ago when I was a kid on work experience with BMW! So simple things like loosening the nuts before raising the car isn't always so obvious till you do it.. :) "it's easy when you know how" lol

And your hubs are looking much better!
 
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Good write up :) and sometimes the for dummies stuff is best! When I did this last year I hadn't removed a car wheel without using an impact wrench... And that was over ten years ago when I was a kid on work experience with BMW! So simple things like loosening the nuts before raising the car isn't always so obvious till you do it.. :) "it's easy when you know how" lol

And your hubs are looking much better!

Cheers buster - the write up was more about the method than the results!
 
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Cracking write up and great job @Jimbob76 :icon thumright:

Really need to do mine, have no excuse now!

Might be worth putting this on the detailing section of the forum too mate.
 
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Good write up there, covering some really useful info. I, for one, am always hesitant when lifting the car; I've read of many crushed sills where the jack hasn't been seated or located correctly and I've witnessed a car falling off the widow maker (not a good sight).

The hubs look a big improvement.
 
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Something not mentioned is to use the screw-in alignment tool in the standard tool kit. This makes it much easier to remove the wheel without catching anything, and to line up the bolts and position the wheel when replacing.
 
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Your hubs look great.....what a difference! :sunglasses:
The hubs on my brand new car were already showing signs of rust when I picked it up. I have only experienced this rusty hub problem recently with Honda and now Audi, and think it is really quite poor that they do not do something to prevent this from happening. :(

Like yourself I would also prefer to brush paint.....but how did you get on painting the underside of the hubs? It would be ideal to turn the hub while painting, but can't do that unfortunately.
 
Your hubs look great.....what a difference! :sunglasses:
The hubs on my brand new car were already showing signs of rust when I picked it up. I have only experienced this rusty hub problem recently with Honda and now Audi, and think it is really quite poor that they do not do something to prevent this from happening. :(

Like yourself I would also prefer to brush paint.....but how did you get on painting the underside of the hubs? It would be ideal to turn the hub while painting, but can't do that unfortunately.
I was able to turn mine a bit to get underneath when I did it, wasn't too bad really to do.
 
Thanks for the positive comments chaps :thumbs up:

Something not mentioned is to use the screw-in alignment tool in the standard tool kit. This makes it much easier to remove the wheel without catching anything, and to line up the bolts and position the wheel when replacing.

Ah, yes, thanks Mike - that explains what this is for then - definitely made life easier when I had the wheels off the other side this morning :blush:

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Your hubs look great.....what a difference! :sunglasses:
The hubs on my brand new car were already showing signs of rust when I picked it up. I have only experienced this rusty hub problem recently with Honda and now Audi, and think it is really quite poor that they do not do something to prevent this from happening. :(

Like yourself I would also prefer to brush paint.....but how did you get on painting the underside of the hubs? It would be ideal to turn the hub while painting, but can't do that unfortunately.

Lying down on my back on the floor Ron! Didn’t fancy releasing the handbrake to spin the hubs round :blink: Wasn’t too fiddly really.
 
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Flicked handbrake off as far as I remember, gearbox I didn't touch.

And that tool is good to know for the future ^^ :D
Would need to start the engine to release the handbrake. I think for security and peace of mind I would need to have my car in park with handbrake on when doing this job, so just need to get on my back to do the underside.

Yep it does look like a handy tool because as we all know it can be awkward to locate a wheel back onto the hub sometimes.
I've also just this minute ordered the rubber trolley jack pad recommended above. :)
 
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Would need to start the engine to release the handbrake. I think for security and peace of mind I would need to have my car in park with handbrake on when doing this job, so just need to get on my back to do the underside.

Yep it does look like a handy tool because as we all know it can be awkward to locate a wheel back onto the hub sometimes.
I've also just this minute ordered the rubber trolley jack pad recommended above. :)
I never turned my engine on, you can release the handbrake with it off right? I can remember hearing it engage/disengage and at one point I couldn't turn it anymore and then remembered I hadn't released it again.
But yeah, got to get on backside eitherway! I'd rather have used spray also, seems like it would give a better finish but yeah, didn't want to mess around masking stuff off...so paint brush it was!
 
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I never turned my engine on, you can release the handbrake with it off right?
The engine needs to be running to release the electronic handbrake. I have found this an inconvenience on a few occasions, particularly when only wanting to move my car a few inches and could do so by pushing it. In fact only yesterday I done this when parking too close to my dads garage door when he wanted to open it, so I just shifted the gearbox into neutral and pushed the car back a wee bit. If the handbrake was on I would have needed to start the engine.
Of course some might say well what's the problem in just starting the engine for a few seconds. :D

Its such a lovely warm sunny day today....I really should be outside doing a job like painting my hubs. :innocent:
 
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Great write up this is something I need to do to mine. Will follow your guide


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Finished the job today by doing the other 2 hubs on the other side of the car. Touched up 3 stone chips on the rear calliper at the same time with a cocktail stick. Worked pretty well and the hammerite smooth red was an excellent colour match. Can you spot ‘em? :yahoo:

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A couple of leisurely days well spent, and I’m chuffed with how it’s all worked out.

One final tip - make sure car is unlocked when you lower the trolley jack - otherwise you’ll set off the motion sensor on the car alarm and make yourself jump, lol.
 
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The engine needs to be running to release the electronic handbrake.
With old school key you just need the battery on, not the engine to release the handbreak. Not sure how this works with push start.
 
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Been wanting to tackle my rusty wheel hubs and protect my alloys with a quartz coating for a while now. That’s obviously a wheels off job. I don’t put a lot of faith in the scissor jack supplied with the car (aka the Widow Maker, this is for emergency use only IMO), so I set about researching the best way to do this safely and thought I’d share my experience in case it helps anyone else. Rusty hubs seem to be a common issue (not just for Audi).

This will be a TLDNR post for some (Too Long Did Not Read), but this detail would have helped me as I set about the task (there will be pictures to keep those less into the detail interested :thumbs up:).

It is intended to be a ‘Dummies Guide’ (for dummies like me – I’m no mechanic). Some aspects will be ‘teaching granny to suck eggs’ for many on here I’m sure, and I may have over-engineered the safety method, but (a) while the scissor jack and blocks of wood for axle stands approach may work perfectly well for some, it’s not for me and my S3, and (b) if I’m going to do this write-up, I might as well do it properly.

Thanks to @jungle650 for posts he’s made on this subject which helped me a lot. Top forum member.

This is the worst rusty hub of the 4 – and my car is only 2 years old (the others aren’t half as bad as this, but all 4 need sorting!):

View attachment 180473

Tools I chose to get the car in the air and the wheels off, and on again, safely:

- Clarke Strong Arm 2.5 tonne low profile trolley jack (CTJ2250LP - good reviews, sensible price, comes with sockets for the wheel nuts) £48

www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-ctj2250lp-2-25-tonne-low-profile-trolle/

- Clarke torque wrench (CHT141) – to remove wheel nuts and re-tighten them to the correct torque settings (120nm) £30

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cht141-1-2in-drive-torque-wrench/

- SGS 4 tonne (2 tonnes each) ratchet axle stands (with safety pin – most alternatives don’t have the belt and braces racket locking AND safety pin) £32

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/jsr2-axle-stands

- SGS protective rubber pads for the axle stands (because why not, has to be better than metal on metal) £6

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/rpj...=sgs_en&refSrc=2317&nosto=nosto-page-product1

- SGS wheel chocks. £6

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/wcr02-rubber-wheel-chocks

- Trolley jack pad (essentially a ‘hockey puck’ type affair, with a groove cut down the centre to ‘seat’ the jack neatly onto the pinch weld jacking points on my facelift 8V. Got this off Amazon - £6. Can’t post Amazon links on here, but search for ‘TengKo Jack Pad, Universal Slotted Rubber Jack Pad Frame Rail Protector 65mm’


Tools for life – and once they’re bought, they’re bought. All really good kit, although the cheap Tengko jack pad isn’t going to last forever (I’m viewing this as a disposable/renewable item. Better quality ones might be available, but the dimensions worked for the Clarke trolley jack).


Getting the car off the ground, jacking points, and wheels off:


First, remove the wheel nut covers using the plastic ‘tweezer’ tool supplied in the toolkit that came with your car. If you don’t have this/have lost it, the Audi part number is 8D0012244A. The LOCKING wheel nut covers on each wheel need a slightly different technique to easily remove. Pinch the tool on the corners, rather than on the flat faces of the nut cover as shown below:


View attachment 180479


Before raising the car off the ground, ‘crack’/take the initial strain off the wheel nuts, but don’t remove the nuts – just break the initial tension. Doing this before you lift the car means the friction contact between the wheels and the ground makes this easier (and safer). This also makes you check you haven’t misplaced your locking wheel nut key before you go any further! All this might sound obvious, but I said this was going to be a detailed write-up :yes:. I lifted and removed both wheels (front and rear) on one side at the same time, so ‘crack’ the tension on BOTH before lifting.


Then use the trolley jack to raise the car. Make sure you are on level solid ground. Make sure your hand-brake is on. Place your wheel chocks, one behind the rear wheel and the other in front of the front wheel on the opposite side of the car.


To get the axle stands under the front AND rear of the car you ONLY need to use the FRONT jacking point – to locate this you’ll see an arrow pointing to it on the underside of your side skirt (see pic below).

View attachment 180478


Front axle stand placement shown below. Use the sub-frame as shown – do not use the pinch weld, or any of the plastic floor covers (obvs), or the axle itself, despite the name ‘axle’ stands). Don’t have the axle stand placed under any nuts on the sub-frame.

View attachment 180476

Rear axle stand placement (the rubber mount shown here is made for the job, and much easier to place than the front axle stand):

View attachment 180480

To be able to place the front axle stand you need to go in with the trolley jack at an angle (as shown in the next pic), so that you have room to slide the axle stand under the car between the rear of the front wheel and in front of the trolley jack. You can’t do this if you go in with the trolley jack perpendicular to the side of the car (without crawling right under the front of the car, which I wasn’t going to do without the axle stands in place).

View attachment 180474

With the axle stands in situ, let the jack down (just a little bit) in a slow controlled manner until the axle stands are supporting the weight of the car, but while the jack still has a solid point of ‘contact’ itself. RE-LOCK the release valve on the jack and make sure the jack is still ‘taking the strain’. At this point I had 3 separate and very solid points of contact holding the car aloft on one side (belt and braces approach, but more (x3) contact points can’t be a daft method – safety first).


Then take each wheel off. Once you’ve removed the wheel nuts just be a bit careful when you’re lifting the wheel away from the hub. It would be all too easy to chip the paint on the rear of your wheel, or your brake caliper if you’re not concentrating at this point.


This method worked for me (there may be other ways of doing this). Time for a quick cuppa.


Tackling the rusty hubs:


Materials used and method:

- Give yourself a full day to do x2 hubs on one side of the car (due to paint drying times between coats)

- Ronson wire ‘tooth’ brushes (cheap as chips from Amazon), and sandpaper to get the worst of the rust off

- I used Bilt Hamber Auto Wheels and Surfex HD all-purpose cleanser to deep clean and de-grease the hubs after the rust removal was done

- A 15mm round nosed paint brush from Homebase proved to be ideal for the job

- Hammerite Smooth Silver (250ml tin is enough to do all 4 hubs, with enough left to spare to do 4 other cars – don’t buy the big pot!). I chose the brush-on as opposed to the spray-paint method as I didn’t fancy masking off the entire wheel arch, brake disc and caliper, and didn’t want to stress about potential over-spray. If you’re even mildly handy with a brush and have a half-steady hand, this method works fine and the Hammerite levels itself nicely. The spray-paint method would probably give a better finish if you can be @rsed with the masking prep, but they are wheel hubs at the end of the day – they don’t need to have the same finish as the bodywork. DO NOT PAINT THE FACE OF THE HUB (the flat face that your wheel sits on). There’s no point and this could be dangerous in my opinion as you would be compromising the contact point between the wheel and the hub. When you are painting work relatively quickly, and don’t be tempted to go back and re-brush sections you’ve just done - if you do the the paint can ‘drag’. Nowt to be worried about, but worthwhile practicing on something else before you apply to the hub to perfect your technique . 2 light coats does the job. Instructions say to leave 4 hours between coats, but it was 23 degrees outside today, so 3 hours was ample.

A reminder of 'before':

View attachment 180473

After front:

View attachment 180477

After rear:

View attachment 180481

I'm not for a second pretending this is a perfect job, but it is a million times better than before, so I'm very happy with the results and that's all that counts.

Deep cleaning the wheels and G-techniq C5?

In between the 2 coats of paint I took the opportunity to deep clean the barrels of my wheels with BH Auto Wheel and Tac Systems Tar Zero (there were some pretty chunky tar deposits on the inside of my rims – Tar Zero is good stuff and a product I can happily recommend). I’m going to have tackle the coating of my alloys with Gtechniq C5 Wheel Armour on a separate occasion as (a) my order didn’t arrive in time and (b) didn’t want to stress test the missus with every minute of today spent on the car. So, wheels off again soon for wheel armour-age. Will post more on this.


Putting the wheels back on the car:

Get what you need in place by the wheel you are putting back on (i.e. your torque wrench and the wheel nuts, including locking wheel nut key). Carefully offer the wheel up and seat it on the ‘lip’ of the hub that you’ve just copper-greased. Hand-tighten each wheel nut (using the wrench socket) and then use your wrench to GRADUALLY tighten each (do one, then it’s opposite number, then work around in this fashion tightening each nut a little at a time so that the wheel ‘seats’ itself correctly back onto the hub). Tighten all nuts to 120nm of torque with your torque wrench. Pop your wheel nut covers back on.


Tomorrow:

When I repeat this process on the other side of the car tomorrow, I’m also going to use Hammerite Smooth Red (again a 250ml tin) to correct a couple of paint chips on the near-side rear caliper using a cocktail stick to apply. Will still have about 249ml of the tin left when I’ve done this, lol.

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If you’ve read this far and enjoyed/got something out of it, then let me know, and please ask any questions you have. If it helps one person, it was worth spending the time to write-up. Cheers.

Just read this and the follow up replies and update, top top guide and job done there @Jimbob76 . I now have a shopping list of tools to get, as whilst my hubs in my Q5 are fine, I would like to paint my calipers. So assume you did yours with hammerite smooth red at some point?
 
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Finished the job today by doing the other 2 hubs on the other side of the car. Touched up 3 stone chips on the rear calliper at the same time with a cocktail stick. Worked pretty well and the hammerite smooth red was an excellent colour match. Can you spot ‘em? :yahoo:

View attachment 180545

A couple of leisurely days well spent, and I’m chuffed with how it’s all worked out.

One final tip - make sure car is unlocked when you lower the trolley jack - otherwise you’ll set off the motion sensor on the car alarm and make yourself jump, lol.

Brilliant Jimbob76 but if I could respectfully add 2-points:

1) with the SQ5, TT, and RS3 (ALL quattro DSG but only the SQ5 with auto-brake): making sure to first 'block' any of the wheels that'll remain in ground contact, I just put the DSG into neutral and then ALL 4-wheels/hubs will rotate

2) and don't forget the vents (the SQ5 front dirt shields and plastic :yahoo:) as they rust too:


SQ5 brake discs prep


This was an acid etch spray over 3-year old 19K miles rusty hubs and vents and for the SQ5 we prefer the mat grey look: oh and I use 2-alignment bolts, 1-short and 1-long; 21" rims can be a bit of a tussle to fit...
 
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Just read this and the follow up replies and update, top top guide and job done there @Jimbob76 . I now have a shopping list of tools to get, as whilst my hubs in my Q5 are fine, I would like to paint my calipers. So assume you did yours with hammerite smooth red at some point?

Cheers mate - my calipers were spec’d red as an option from the factory, so I just needed to correct a few small chips on one of them. Plenty of folks use Hammerite smooth red to paint their callipers though - supposed to be able to withstand the heat generated under braking and not discolour over time (also supposed to be easier to work with than Halfords dedicated calliper paint).
 
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With old school key you just need the battery on, not the engine to release the handbreak. Not sure how this works with push start.
This sounded logical to me so I tried it this morning. Engine off but ignition on with gearbox in Park the handbrake would not release....so I thought maybe it needs to be in neutral, but again it would not release.
I finally figured out that if you put your foot on the brake then the handbrake will release. :)
With keyless start you would simply press the button without touching the pedals to turn on the ignition.
 
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Awesome post!! Just what I need to tackle my rust spotted hubs!! Might aswell get the clay bar and sealant out whilst I do this for my wheels! Thanks for the very detailed write up!!
 
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This sounded logical to me so I tried it this morning. Engine off but ignition on with gearbox in Park the handbrake would not release....so I thought maybe it needs to be in neutral, but again it would not release.
I finally figured out that if you put your foot on the brake then the handbrake will release. :)
With keyless start you would simply press the button without touching the pedals to turn on the ignition.
Yeah, sorry should have mentioned that. I think it tells you on the DIS if you do not apply foot break too.
 
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This is a really excellent post for a not particularly mechanically minded person like myself, so thanks @Jimbob76 Strangely, my rear hubs look like they are brand new (you can easily see the "punched" part number) whereas the fronts are starting to rust - not quite as bad as yours, so I'll get onto that when I've got me jack n' stuff ! Thanks again- nice one!

PS - and thanks too for the paint tips - wouldn't have thought of red hammerite smooth for touching in the calipers!
 
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The engine needs to be running to release the electronic handbrake.
Unless the FL is different to the PFL, you can release the parking brake with the ignition on and engine off.

You have to select neutral on the s-tronic for it to work.
 
Been wanting to tackle my rusty wheel hubs and protect my alloys with a quartz coating for a while now. That’s obviously a wheels off job. I don’t put a lot of faith in the scissor jack supplied with the car (aka the Widow Maker, this is for emergency use only IMO), so I set about researching the best way to do this safely and thought I’d share my experience in case it helps anyone else. Rusty hubs seem to be a common issue (not just for Audi).

This will be a TLDNR post for some (Too Long Did Not Read), but this detail would have helped me as I set about the task (there will be pictures to keep those less into the detail interested :thumbs up:).

It is intended to be a ‘Dummies Guide’ (for dummies like me – I’m no mechanic). Some aspects will be ‘teaching granny to suck eggs’ for many on here I’m sure, and I may have over-engineered the safety method, but (a) while the scissor jack and blocks of wood for axle stands approach may work perfectly well for some, it’s not for me and my S3, and (b) if I’m going to do this write-up, I might as well do it properly.

Thanks to @jungle650 for posts he’s made on this subject which helped me a lot. Top forum member.

This is the worst rusty hub of the 4 – and my car is only 2 years old (the others aren’t half as bad as this, but all 4 need sorting!):

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Tools I chose to get the car in the air and the wheels off, and on again, safely:

- Clarke Strong Arm 2.5 tonne low profile trolley jack (CTJ2250LP - good reviews, sensible price, comes with sockets for the wheel nuts) £48

www.machinemart.co.uk/p/clarke-ctj2250lp-2-25-tonne-low-profile-trolle/

- Clarke torque wrench (CHT141) – to remove wheel nuts and re-tighten them to the correct torque settings (120nm) £30

https://www.machinemart.co.uk/p/cht141-1-2in-drive-torque-wrench/

- SGS 4 tonne (2 tonnes each) ratchet axle stands (with safety pin – most alternatives don’t have the belt and braces racket locking AND safety pin) £32

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/jsr2-axle-stands

- SGS protective rubber pads for the axle stands (because why not, has to be better than metal on metal) £6

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/rpj...=sgs_en&refSrc=2317&nosto=nosto-page-product1

- SGS wheel chocks. £6

https://www.sgs-engineering.com/wcr02-rubber-wheel-chocks

- Trolley jack pad (essentially a ‘hockey puck’ type affair, with a groove cut down the centre to ‘seat’ the jack neatly onto the pinch weld jacking points on my facelift 8V. Got this off Amazon - £6. Can’t post Amazon links on here, but search for ‘TengKo Jack Pad, Universal Slotted Rubber Jack Pad Frame Rail Protector 65mm’


Tools for life – and once they’re bought, they’re bought. All really good kit, although the cheap Tengko jack pad isn’t going to last forever (I’m viewing this as a disposable/renewable item. Better quality ones might be available, but the dimensions worked for the Clarke trolley jack).


Getting the car off the ground, jacking points, and wheels off:


First, remove the wheel nut covers using the plastic ‘tweezer’ tool supplied in the toolkit that came with your car. If you don’t have this/have lost it, the Audi part number is 8D0012244A. The LOCKING wheel nut covers on each wheel need a slightly different technique to easily remove. Pinch the tool on the corners, rather than on the flat faces of the nut cover as shown below:


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Before raising the car off the ground, ‘crack’/take the initial strain off the wheel nuts, but don’t remove the nuts – just break the initial tension. Doing this before you lift the car means the friction contact between the wheels and the ground makes this easier (and safer). This also makes you check you haven’t misplaced your locking wheel nut key before you go any further! All this might sound obvious, but I said this was going to be a detailed write-up :yes:. I lifted and removed both wheels (front and rear) on one side at the same time, so ‘crack’ the tension on BOTH before lifting.


Then use the trolley jack to raise the car. Make sure you are on level solid ground. Make sure your hand-brake is on. Place your wheel chocks, one behind the rear wheel and the other in front of the front wheel on the opposite side of the car.


To get the axle stands under the front AND rear of the car you ONLY need to use the FRONT jacking point – to locate this you’ll see an arrow pointing to it on the underside of your side skirt (see pic below).

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Front axle stand placement shown below. Use the sub-frame as shown – do not use the pinch weld, or any of the plastic floor covers (obvs), or the axle itself, despite the name ‘axle’ stands). Don’t have the axle stand placed under any nuts on the sub-frame.

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Rear axle stand placement (the rubber mount shown here is made for the job, and much easier to place than the front axle stand):

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To be able to place the front axle stand you need to go in with the trolley jack at an angle (as shown in the next pic), so that you have room to slide the axle stand under the car between the rear of the front wheel and in front of the trolley jack. You can’t do this if you go in with the trolley jack perpendicular to the side of the car (without crawling right under the front of the car, which I wasn’t going to do without the axle stands in place).

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With the axle stands in situ, let the jack down (just a little bit) in a slow controlled manner until the axle stands are supporting the weight of the car, but while the jack still has a solid point of ‘contact’ itself. RE-LOCK the release valve on the jack and make sure the jack is still ‘taking the strain’. At this point I had 3 separate and very solid points of contact holding the car aloft on one side (belt and braces approach, but more (x3) contact points can’t be a daft method – safety first).


Then take each wheel off. Once you’ve removed the wheel nuts just be a bit careful when you’re lifting the wheel away from the hub. It would be all too easy to chip the paint on the rear of your wheel, or your brake caliper if you’re not concentrating at this point.


This method worked for me (there may be other ways of doing this). Time for a quick cuppa.


Tackling the rusty hubs:


Materials used and method:

- Give yourself a full day to do x2 hubs on one side of the car (due to paint drying times between coats)

- Ronson wire ‘tooth’ brushes (cheap as chips from Amazon), and sandpaper to get the worst of the rust off

- I used Bilt Hamber Auto Wheels and Surfex HD all-purpose cleanser to deep clean and de-grease the hubs after the rust removal was done

- A 15mm round nosed paint brush from Homebase proved to be ideal for the job

- Hammerite Smooth Silver (250ml tin is enough to do all 4 hubs, with enough left to spare to do 4 other cars – don’t buy the big pot!). I chose the brush-on as opposed to the spray-paint method as I didn’t fancy masking off the entire wheel arch, brake disc and caliper, and didn’t want to stress about potential over-spray. If you’re even mildly handy with a brush and have a half-steady hand, this method works fine and the Hammerite levels itself nicely. The spray-paint method would probably give a better finish if you can be @rsed with the masking prep, but they are wheel hubs at the end of the day – they don’t need to have the same finish as the bodywork. DO NOT PAINT THE FACE OF THE HUB (the flat face that your wheel sits on). There’s no point and this could be dangerous in my opinion as you would be compromising the contact point between the wheel and the hub. When you are painting work relatively quickly, and don’t be tempted to go back and re-brush sections you’ve just done - if you do the the paint can ‘drag’. Nowt to be worried about, but worthwhile practicing on something else before you apply to the hub to perfect your technique . 2 light coats does the job. Instructions say to leave 4 hours between coats, but it was 23 degrees outside today, so 3 hours was ample.

A reminder of 'before':

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After front:

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After rear:

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I'm not for a second pretending this is a perfect job, but it is a million times better than before, so I'm very happy with the results and that's all that counts.

Deep cleaning the wheels and G-techniq C5?

In between the 2 coats of paint I took the opportunity to deep clean the barrels of my wheels with BH Auto Wheel and Tac Systems Tar Zero (there were some pretty chunky tar deposits on the inside of my rims – Tar Zero is good stuff and a product I can happily recommend). I’m going to have tackle the coating of my alloys with Gtechniq C5 Wheel Armour on a separate occasion as (a) my order didn’t arrive in time and (b) didn’t want to stress test the missus with every minute of today spent on the car. So, wheels off again soon for wheel armour-age. Will post more on this.


Putting the wheels back on the car:

Get what you need in place by the wheel you are putting back on (i.e. your torque wrench and the wheel nuts, including locking wheel nut key). Carefully offer the wheel up and seat it on the ‘lip’ of the hub that you’ve just copper-greased. Hand-tighten each wheel nut (using the wrench socket) and then use your wrench to GRADUALLY tighten each (do one, then it’s opposite number, then work around in this fashion tightening each nut a little at a time so that the wheel ‘seats’ itself correctly back onto the hub). Tighten all nuts to 120nm of torque with your torque wrench. Pop your wheel nut covers back on.


Tomorrow:

When I repeat this process on the other side of the car tomorrow, I’m also going to use Hammerite Smooth Red (again a 250ml tin) to correct a couple of paint chips on the near-side rear caliper using a cocktail stick to apply. Will still have about 249ml of the tin left when I’ve done this, lol.

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If you’ve read this far and enjoyed/got something out of it, then let me know, and please ask any questions you have. If it helps one person, it was worth spending the time to write-up. Cheers.
Great write up @Jimbob76 :thumbs up:
I did the callipers on the wife’s TT but I masked off and sprayed. But would definitely brush paint next time.
 
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Unless the FL is different to the PFL, you can release the parking brake with the ignition on and engine off.

You have to select neutral on the s-tronic for it to work.
Yes we discussed and clarified this in subsequent posts. :)
You neglected to mention foot needs to be on the brake for the electronic handbrake to release.
 
Great tutorial @jimbo76. Since putting the new wheels on my A3 my rusty hub disorder now sticks out like a sore thumb . So I'm going to tackle the hubs and brake calipers this weekend

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Just wondering if anyone has used POR15 Caliper Paint in silver for their brake disc hubs.
Might look to glossy as it is supposed to give a ceramic like finish.
 
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Just wondering if anyone has used POR15 Caliper Paint in silver for their brake disc hubs.
Might look to glossy as it is supposed to give a ceramic like finish.

I know @45bvtc did, but think John made a mix to matte it down. John?
 
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A long time overdue, but finally got around to the Gtechniq C5 Wheel Armour treatment today. Winter is coming - therefore this job needs doing and the Autumn weather is looking kind for the next couple of days, so....

Tools for the job:

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- Gtechniq C5 Wheel Armour (30ml bottle) + an additional pack of x10 lint free applicator pads (get the additional pads, they cost pennies, and you'll need 'em)
- Bilt Hamber Auto Wheels ('bleeding' iron fall-out remover)
- Tac System Tar Zero (yep, it's a tar/glue remover)
- Bilt Hamber Surfex HD (diluted degreaser in the Kwazar Mercury bottle, top left)
- Gtechniq Panel Wipe
- Gtechniq C2V3 Liquid Crystal paint sealant
- A hogs hair brush (good for wheel lugs and generally agitating the chemicals used to decon the wheels durting the prep stage)
- Nitrile gloves (don't usually bother with these, but thought it was worth it for the application of the C5 - don't think you want to be rubbing your eyes or biting your nails after using this)
- A combination of 'trash' microfibres for the prep work, plus some good clean decent ones (Kirkland, from Amazon or Costco are ideal) for light buffing
- Your usual wash gear for cleaning wheels

Then, car up in the air as per guide at the top of this thread (same photo as before, didn't take one today!). Two wheels from one side being done today, then the other two tomorrow...

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Preparation:

I then set about thoroughly decontaminating the wheels. First just wash with your regular soap to get the top layer of road grime and loose brake dust off - and dry the wheels. Then hit them with iron fall-out remover (I recommend BH Auto Wheels - really effective, but NOT acidic - never use Wonder Wheels unless your alloys are shot to bits - this stuff is really acidic and I personally wouldn't touch it with a barge pole). My wheels are pretty clean, so no gratuitous purple 'bleeding' shots I'm afraid, but this stage was definitely still worth doing, as it picked up some bonded iron fall-out from the corners of the spokes...

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Then hit again, this time with tar remover (I used TAC System Tar Zero) - this will shift any bonded tar spots. Also useful to get rid of any old glue deposits/adhesive pads from old wheel balancing weights. Again, mine weren't too bad as I gave the wheels a good clean last time I had the wheels off, but there were a few tar spots in the barrels that needed shifting...

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I also gave the tyre walls a proper scrub with BH Surfex HD and my Tuff Shine Tyre Brush, to get rid of any old tyre dressing.

After that, the wheels were transferred into the garage and onto a makeshift work-bench made from up-turned recycling boxes, an old wardrobe door and a old fleecy throw rug (to protect the faces of the wheels). Sounds daft, but this saved my back during the next stages, and gave me much better visibility during the actual ceramic coating (just don't tell the missus I used the fleecy throw, reckon I can get that through the washing machine and back into the drawer underneath the bed in the spare room before she notices, lol).

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Before applying the C5 Wheel Armour, the final prep stage was a once over with Gtechniq Panel Wipe (any pre-wax cleanser/IPA will do though). This gives a properly clean surface for the C5 Wheel Armour to chemically bond to - this last stage of Panel Wipe is really important - don't skip it, or the durability of the final ceramic application will be compromised.


Application:

It would be really tempting to coat the front face of the wheel first - this is the what you're going to see, so the most gratifying bit! Don't do this! Otherwise you'd have to turn the just coated face of the wheel down onto your fleecy or material covered work-area before it has cured. Turn the wheels around and do the barrels and back of the spokes FIRST.

The C5 itself is pretty easy to use. Just work methodically - think of the wheel as a clock-face, work clock-wise, and do half of one side of the wheel at a time before going back and buffing (buffing tips coming up next). Drip the C5 out onto your lint-free applicator pad - not all in one big blob in the middle of the pad, but 'circle' it onto the full face of the pad. A little goes a long way.

Use Nitrile gloves, and definitely buy an extra pack of x10 Gtechniq applicator pads - they're really cheap, so makes sense to have more than you need. You get x4 with the bottle of C5, and I found I used about x3 per wheel.

If you have 19" wheels, get the 30ml bottle. I've used just under half of the 30ml bottle for the x2 wheels I've done today.


Buffing:

Or should I say tickling. The trick here is not to buff like you're going at paste wax on bodywork. You're just looking to level off the layer of ceramic you've applied. So a light touch is the best touch. I worked with a method of half of one side of a wheel. Let it flash off for about a minute, then very gently wipe over/level off with a Kirkland plush terry cloth. I did x2 wheels with the same Kirkland cloth, then binned it. Do not keep this buffing cloth - the ceramic you've 'buffed' off will cure in it, and cure very hard, so you'll swirl your paint if you take this cloth back to your bodywork.


What about curing time?

C5 should be applied inside (garage is ideal). Instructions say above 5 degrees centigrade and let it cure (inside) for 12 hours before popping the wheels back on the car. So my car is on axle stands tonight. I've even moved the wheels into the kitchen (as the temperature's due to drop to 1 degree overnight), to give them the best chance of curing properly.


Do I need loads of detailing experience to do this?

No. Really, no. This was my first foray into the world of proper ceramics and I found it really easy to use. If you follow the instructions above there's not a lot that can go wrong. You'd have to be a complete ham-fisted loon to over-apply it. Buff it gently. I'm 'nowt but a weekend warrior when it comes to detailing, and I managed it. Therefore anyone can.

A little picture post application...

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Tomorrow morning I’ll add a topper coat of Gtechniq C2V3 - this should add a little more gloss and add to the durability, so makes sense to do while the wheels are off. Then repeat the whole process for the other 2 wheels!

Hope this guide helps anyone thinking about doing this. And happy to answer any questions if I can. I’ll report back on my opinions after the S3 has done a few miles and warranted the next wash, to let you how the C5 / C2V3 combo is working...
 
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I’ve been thinking about doing my wheels (& finally getting round to the hub painting too!) and this is super-helpful.

Don’t think I’m brave enough to tilt the car over for two at once so it’ll have to be one at a time!!

Thanks again - nice one!
 
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If you really want to give Santa Claus a fright, ask him for a set of 4, or 2 pairs of Jackpoint jackstands, I treated myself to them when I initially bought my Audi S4, they make life so easy when you want to get your car up in the air and off its wheels.

I make a habit of fitting the security bolt in the same position on all wheels on all my cars, and that is opposite the disc locating disc which with some wheels means opposite the tyre valve or at the tyre valve depending on VW Group wheel designs.

In my garage I only ever use the longer alloy wheel locating peg that was supplied with biggest VWs and Audis, I always slacken the security bolt of first and tighten it last and when it is removed use that point to fit the wheel locating peg in.

Everyone will have their own "strange" way of doing things!

The first time I lifted one side of my older daughter's new Leon Cupra I got her to leave the car in Neutral and the handbrake off and leave the driver's window open and the key in the ignition switch - that annoyed that car as long as the door was open! Still I managed to swop the summer/winter wheels over without any problems. When a car is on level concrete and up on a couple of axle stands, it is not going to be moving - although I too place a wheel chock at a front and rear wheel - just in case!

Edit:- painting discs to cover up the rust - my S4 does not get used enough to suffer from rusting discs, but on my older daughter's previous car, a late 2009 Ibiza with rear drum brakes, I mixed some smooth Hammerite - white with black and ended up with a very close match to what VW Group use as a brake drum colour. Maybe adjusting that could end up with as close to sliver as you could get, I always think that Hammerite silver is just too metallic looking when compared with what paint the discs get painted in which is again metallic silver. BTW if anyone ends up mixing different Hammerite colours just beware that Hammerite say that you should never do that as they use or might use different solvents in different paints - it worked out okay for me with white and black, also when mixing blue with black!
 
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Great write up. Just followed it as been desperate to do mine for ages.

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Good write up however I found one clause that needs explaining regarding the lock bolts.
Rule of thumb is undo that first
Put in last
Stick to that mantra and you can't go wrong.
 
Great write up. Just followed it as been desperate to do mine for ages.

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Good work Phil - your results speak for themselves. Looks like you did the calipers as well as the hubs? Top job. One year on and the hubs I painted on mine still look the same as the day I refurbished them - so it's a fix that does last :thumbs up:

Good write up however I found one clause that needs explaining regarding the lock bolts.
Rule of thumb is undo that first
Put in last
Stick to that mantra and you can't go wrong.

I think I sub-consciously did that without thinking about it Chez - but I'm not sure why I did - it just felt sensible. Is the logic there's more chance of stripping the head pattern of the locking wheel nut if the rest of the wheel isn't secure and flush with the hub?
 
Yeah it puts less strain on the pattern to head contact if it's all buttoned up first, before attempting to remove or fit the locking bolt.
It's a good habit to get into.
"First out, last in"
Also, if the wheel bolts are torqued up to 120 Nm I always do the locking bolts slightly lower @ 100Nm.
 
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