Upgrading from non xenons to xenons

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Looking to upgrade my headlights I don’t have daytime runners or anything just standard h7 bulbs.
Was wondering if there’s an Audi conversion kit, or if any was has done a conversion either aftermarket or factory Audi?

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in essence aftermarket would be strongly advised against due to
1-after market kits blow your wiper motor
2- they will now likely fail the MOT
retrofitting headlights would be your best bet, and that way you can have headlamp washers etc
 
I have had lots of problems with aftermarket ones before. Which is why I ask weather a factory fitted
Conversion can be done? Is it as simple as plug & play?
 
Xenons need a new headlight unit, washers fitted to the bumper, and sensors fitted to the axle I believe.
it isn't a case of just changing bulbs and fitting ballasts, they have to have sensors to align correctly as there is manual way to adjust them when weight is added to the rear of the car, and the headlight washers are also needed. Without either of those, you will fail an MOT.
 
Yeah that sounds like a right pain, can you recommend a set of bulbs? Mine are not great
 
You can easily fit factory single xenons although a minor wiring modification is needed to the headlight adjustment motor , the one you adjust to compensate for heavy loads in the boot etc.
Fitting bi-xenons will involve wiring adapters .
To go the whole hog to convert to factory -spec you also need to fit headlamp washers and self-levelling capability of the headlamps , but it will pass an MOT test without .
 
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Will it? I thought they were clamping down on this now in the new mot?
 
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Mot I’m not too worried about, I have a guy, how difficult is the wiring adjustment to the headlight motor
 
Good to know you have a guy.
Will he take your place on the stand when you dazzle an oncoming car and they end up in accident resulting in a court case due to incorrect lights being fitted?
Probably not.
Do it correctly, or don't do it. Too many poorly aligned or illegal headlights making night driving difficult for other road users.
 
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lol davey always with the doom and gloom scenarios!

used to have xenon kits installed in a few projector headlights, but they always end up blowing, although they do look good. get them aligned, and never failed an mot with them (and that was legit tests, not dodgy ones).
 
It's not doom and gloom. The washer kits and sensors are fitted for a reason, which is why they ARE a legal requirement at the MOT.
Yes it might be a worst case scenario, but my point stands. Do it properly or don't do it. Don't risk other peoples safety just because sourcing the correct parts is too much effort.
 
Not to hijack the thread but is there any quality projector headlight conversion kits available, I see a load on eBay but hesitant on quality. Also @Lambman420 have you tired the osram night breaker bulbs I’ve seen the difference on mates cars they do provide better brightness and throw compared to standard h7 bulbs.
 
If you want better halogen bulbs just search out the latest auto express bulb test and choose whatever’s top rated. Recent designs glow brighter but often only last a few months. There is only so much you can do with a halogen bulb.
 
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Trups can build you a set using your existing headlight lamps and fitting projectors to them using the genuine balasts to avoid burning out your headlight motors. He is well known on the forum. https://emtuning.co.uk


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lol davey always with the doom and gloom scenarios!

used to have xenon kits installed in a few projector headlights, but they always end up blowing, although they do look good. get them aligned, and never failed an mot with them (and that was legit tests, not dodgy ones).

Just because you got away with it doesn’t make it right.
 
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It's not doom and gloom. The washer kits and sensors are fitted for a reason, which is why they ARE a legal requirement at the MOT.
Yes it might be a worst case scenario, but my point stands. Do it properly or don't do it. Don't risk other peoples safety just because sourcing the correct parts is too much effort.


Retro fitted bi xenons do NOT require washers and levellers by law for an mot !
Your guessing or quoting what you THINK is right, this is not fact.

Mot rules are if it’s not fitted it can’t fail, same rules as a passenger mirror, a spare tyre, a rear wiper, if it’s fitted and faulty then it fails, if it’s removed then it can’t fail
I know of at least 20 people had the conversion and not one ever had an
Issue

On another note, I’ve just recently purchased a mk4 caddy van and one of those fitted with bo xenons no longer comes with levellers from the factory !!!


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Retro fitted bi xenons do NOT require washers and levellers by law for an mot !
Your guessing or quoting what you THINK is right, this is not fact.
I think you'll find that it does. But don't let the facts get in the way of your guess work:
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/aftermarket-hid-headlamps/aftermarket-hid-headlamps

The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK. Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.

However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply with European type approval regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These approvals relate to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (lighting installation on the vehicle).

For the aftermarket, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because this only applies to new vehicles. However DfT does not think it reasonable simply to ban HID in the aftermarket. Instead the Department makes analogies with new vehicles. It seems reasonable to require HID in the aftermarket to meet the same safety standards as those for new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.

3. HID headlamp unit requirements
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the aftermarket should:

  • be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component
  • when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place)
  • comply with RVLR as far as “use” is concerned
In practice this means:

  • the headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be “e-marked” to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. - who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory
  • once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have “self-levelling suspension” and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam
  • the headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly in the same way as any other headlamp
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.

In summary: it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
 
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Seen. Poor choice of words. Should have been:

Just because it passed doesn't make it legal. I'll admit I've been no angel in the past
 
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