Next model A3

If you've only one car in the drive.............that is and dont bet unless you know for sure,you've a 2014 S3 l had a 2015 S3 and now l have a 2018 S3 as you know, and l can see and feel the difference....very small changes may l add but multiply these changes with production numbers and £££££ saved up,and that's why we use to buy Audi's to "feel the difference"...........and now it's all about screen resolution/sizes in cars sadly
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True mate. Very few people who can directly compare pre and post facelift models of the S3 and like you say, all those small difference add up. Alot of it is about "perceived" quality, and if your perception is that quality has gone down then clearly Audi have managed to drop the ball.

Audi have been through a purple patch in regards to interior quality over the last few years, i guess nothing lasts forever, someone else will pick up where Audi left off.

Frankly the car industry as a whole is ripe for disruption, we've only seen the tip of the iceberg with Tesla. All of the incumbents in this industry have been incredibly lazy for decades, and drip feed new features out which should have been standard years ago.

I wouldn't be surprised if the big german makes really struggle in the next 10 years unless they really up their game in regards to new competition.
 
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Very cheap plastics etc etc, not like the Q2 although I haven’t had a thorough look at a Q2. Missus was interested in the t-roc until we went and sat in one, she was near sick in her mouth, was c disappointing

That's a bit of a dramatic reaction!
 
The a3 will be launched and most on here will say it’s nowhere near as good as the 8v and that the interior is awful. That’s exactly what happened when the 8v was launched and it went on to become the best selling a3.

The round vents and pop up screen will definitely be gone. Can see it being virtually identical to the q3. I’m not a fan of touchscreens. My dad has the new a6 and while the interior is impressive and undeniably high quality, the screens are distracting compared to a control dial. And the infotainment system on our x1 is much more intuitive.

I drove a q5 recently and was surprised that the interior already feels more dated than the current a3.

I think it’s interesting they’re dropping the three door hatch.
 
There is definitely a reoccurring theme here of prices going up dramatically & quality & materials grade going down ..... Audi (& possibly VW) could really shaft themselves if they do follow this path.

I think we’ve all been prepared to pay a premium for Audi up till now, but if standards (& styling) do drop in addition to further price hikes I can see many of us turning to other brands.
 
There is definitely a reoccurring theme here of prices going up dramatically & quality & materials grade going down ..... Audi (& possibly VW) could really shaft themselves if they do follow this path.

I think we’ve all been prepared to pay a premium for Audi up till now, but if standards (& styling) do drop in addition to further price hikes I can see many of us turning to other brands.


Agreed. This will be my last audi as they’re no longer worth the premium. New a1 interior fabia quality in terms of plastics. New q3 has some shocking materials so expect the same story in the next a3.

Check out these super hard scratchy plastics in the a1. Sometimes you can get away with these plastics lower down in the interior but it’s all I could see when sat in the a1
 

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Agreed. This will be my last audi as they’re no longer worth the premium. New a1 interior fabia quality in terms of plastics. New q3 has some shocking materials so expect the same story in the next a3.

Check out these super hard scratchy plastics in the a1. Sometimes you can get away with these plastics lower down in the interior but it’s all I could see when sat in the a1

Around the door handle is definitely not the right place for cheap plastics since you touch that area frequently, so for it to be like that in a premium car is plain stupid, especially since one of Audi's main selling points is their interiors.
 
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There is definitely a reoccurring theme here of prices going up dramatically & quality & materials grade going down ..... Audi (& possibly VW) could really shaft themselves if they do follow this path.

I think we’ve all been prepared to pay a premium for Audi up till now, but if standards (& styling) do drop in addition to further price hikes I can see many of us turning to other brands.

Regarding the pricing. Remember years ago. The UK always paid more for their cars then pretty much anywhere else on the planet.

There was a strong campaign mainly led by Quentin Wilson for car manufacturers to lower their prices. Car supermarkets popped up where they were buying UK spec cars from Europe at much cheaper prices, and selling them here undercutting main dealers, The car manufacturers brought UK car prices more in line with the rest of Europe.

But in the last say 5 years, car prices have rose very very quickly. Now, it'd be interesting to see if the same price rises have been across the board in other countries. I would guess not. I think with the UK, car manufacturers know we like to replace our cars every 2-3 years. They know that UK consumers are willing to pay top Dollar (Pound) to get their next shiny car.

I say it's a mixture of car manufactures trying to make the UK more profitable for them (like the good old days) and the UK's current obsession with PCP deals. With PCP people don't care what the sticker price is. All they care about is "How much a month mate" will their next car be. To extract an extra £25, £50, £100 a month out of the consumer, the initial sticker price of the car needs to rise to allow the monthly payments to rise.

Those (me) who hate the idea of PCP and prefer to buy cars outright, are getting priced out of the market, as how many people have £40-£60k sat in their bank account waiting to buy an S3 or RS3? Not many. So those who are being priced out of `buying outright` are being forced down the PCP route. The more people take out PCP deals, the more car prices will rise, so in 2 years, you can buy a newer car (maybe same car / same spec) as the one you have now. But as the Balloon payment is more than half the original car's value, you are forced back into another PCP deal. Manufactures know most people don't want to step backwards, so will either stick to the same car, or upgrade. Those sticking to the same car, manufacturers don't want you spending the same monthly as the current car. So by raising the RRP of the cars, your next S3, from your current S3 is `JUST` another £50 a month.

And so it'll continue until the next financial bubble bursts. UK car re-possession is at an all time high. People are defaulting on their PCP deals, as what initially looked affordable while being sat in the dealership, soon becomes a struggle once you start adding fuel, tax, insurance, tyres etc.

Same thing happened with mortgages. At some point it's going to go pop. Just a matter of when?

Without PCP car prices wouldn't be so high as they currently are. But with PCP average Joe can now be driving an S3 rather than a Focus.

That's my take on the price rises anyway.
 
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Great post wab.

You've hit the nail on the head. The growth in PCPs has allowed makers to up their prices. They also make more from interest on these PCPs.
 
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Yeah Wab's analysis is a good one. Have you thought about buying used approved Wab? Worked for me, 2 year old car in mint knick for half the sticker price.
 
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Agreed great post :icon thumright:

I think you have summed it up perfectly. I prefer to buy my cars too. only difference this time appears to be that I will for the 1st time keep my car at least 4 years instead of 2.5 to 3.

There is a definite slow down in car sales in the uk so it will be interesting to see what offers & deals pop up over the next 12 months as Dealers get more & more desperate to sell cars & hit targets.

It could get worse for Dealers (Audi /VW) if there is a slow down & they can’t bank on previously loyal customers to come in & pay top dollar - who are keeping their cars longer and / or turning to other brands.

Throw into the mix, new styling on Audi’s which is not to previous Audi buyer tastes and the problem worsens further.
 
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Regarding the pricing. Remember years ago. The UK always paid more for their cars then pretty much anywhere else on the planet.

There was a strong campaign mainly led by Quentin Wilson for car manufacturers to lower their prices. Car supermarkets popped up where they were buying UK spec cars from Europe at much cheaper prices, and selling them here undercutting main dealers, The car manufacturers brought UK car prices more in line with the rest of Europe.

But in the last say 5 years, car prices have rose very very quickly. Now, it'd be interesting to see if the same price rises have been across the board in other countries. I would guess not. I think with the UK, car manufacturers know we like to replace our cars every 2-3 years. They know that UK consumers are willing to pay top Dollar (Pound) to get their next shiny car.

I say it's a mixture of car manufactures trying to make the UK more profitable for them (like the good old days) and the UK's current obsession with PCP deals. With PCP people don't care what the sticker price is. All they care about is "How much a month mate" will their next car be. To extract an extra £25, £50, £100 a month out of the consumer, the initial sticker price of the car needs to rise to allow the monthly payments to rise.

Those (me) who hate the idea of PCP and prefer to buy cars outright, are getting priced out of the market, as how many people have £40-£60k sat in their bank account waiting to buy an S3 or RS3? Not many. So those who are being priced out of `buying outright` are being forced down the PCP route. The more people take out PCP deals, the more car prices will rise, so in 2 years, you can buy a newer car (maybe same car / same spec) as the one you have now. But as the Balloon payment is more than half the original car's value, you are forced back into another PCP deal. Manufactures know most people don't want to step backwards, so will either stick to the same car, or upgrade. Those sticking to the same car, manufacturers don't want you spending the same monthly as the current car. So by raising the RRP of the cars, your next S3, from your current S3 is `JUST` another £50 a month.

And so it'll continue until the next financial bubble bursts. UK car re-possession is at an all time high. People are defaulting on their PCP deals, as what initially looked affordable while being sat in the dealership, soon becomes a struggle once you start adding fuel, tax, insurance, tyres etc.

Same thing happened with mortgages. At some point it's going to go pop. Just a matter of when?

Without PCP car prices wouldn't be so high as they currently are. But with PCP average Joe can now be driving an S3 rather than a Focus.

That's my take on the price rises anyway.
TBH alot of the reasons @wab172uk has mentioned above has moved me away from PCP to PCH deals

But as already been mentioned, you have to go with what works for you
 
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@KenL - I was surprised to learn that Volvo's SUV's (XC 40, 60 & 90) are made in China
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/q-and-a/where-is-the-volvo-xc60-made-70405

I'm not saying thats there's anything wrong with this but I have heard Volvo are having probs with the software from Volvo's from the Far East

Volvo are owned by the chinese.......what do expect..................most Audi's are manufactured outwith Germania....Hungary,Mexico....etc etc = Cheap Labour Cheap rent ergo
 
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Agreed. This will be my last audi as they’re no longer worth the premium. New a1 interior fabia quality in terms of plastics. New q3 has some shocking materials so expect the same story in the next a3.

Check out these super hard scratchy plastics in the a1. Sometimes you can get away with these plastics lower down in the interior but it’s all I could see when sat in the a1

That's dreadful..........and Makes my Mrs fiesta door card plastics look high quality
 
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Volvo are owned by the chinese.......what do expect..................most Audi's are manufactured outwith Germania....Hungary,Mexico....etc etc = Cheap Labour Cheap rent ergo

Volvo owned by China. Won't be buying one of those then!
 
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Couldn't really care where things are made... iPhones are assembled in China and well, look how many they sell.
 
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There is definitely a reoccurring theme here of prices going up dramatically & quality & materials grade going down ..... Audi (& possibly VW) could really shaft themselves if they do follow this path.

I think we’ve all been prepared to pay a premium for Audi up till now, but if standards (& styling) do drop in addition to further price hikes I can see many of us turning to other brands.

Hi mate av been and dove/driven in every Audi model there was up until my son went to BMW............now...Audi was all about its Tech and interior build quality..ie every model in the line shared this so called premium perceived interior quality.......A1 to the R8......not now....as @Mrs Wogan's Lemon Drizzle said they've dropped the ball............and l pray their sales do drop asap....they deserve it
 
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@KenL - I was surprised to learn that Volvo's SUV's (XC 40, 60 & 90) are made in China
https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-advice/q-and-a/where-is-the-volvo-xc60-made-70405

I'm not saying thats there's anything wrong with this but I have heard Volvo are having probs with the software from Volvo's from the Far East

I think you will find that only the Chinese market cars are built in China and isn’t for the whole world. It’s the easiest way to get cars into Chinese markets. Does help Volvo is Chinese owned as well. Audi/vw has factories out there and now Tesla as well.
Look at the UK we have factories from Ford(American), Toyota, Nissan and Honda(jap).
Not many manufacturers manufactures in there native home land.
 
Couldn't really care where things are made... iPhones are assembled in China and well, look how many they sell.

and the vast majority of iphone renters are teenagers....who dont give a damn....and a iphone is pennies to buy compared to a Audi car mate....if the the standard of QA is there in any product l dont care where it's made....l just bought a rather expensive Pioneer UHD Bluray player....and printed o the box Made in China....l was just posting that all these huge car companies have fingers in many pockets they'll fork out tens of Millions in third world Countries to make Billions....from everyone else
 
I think you will find that only the Chinese market cars are built in China and isn’t for the whole world. It’s the easiest way to get cars into Chinese markets. Does help Volvo is Chinese owned as well. Audi/vw has factories out there and now Tesla as well.
Look at the UK we have factories from Ford(American), Toyota, Nissan and Honda(jap).
Not many manufacturers manufactures in there native home land.

So do BMW
 
I have issues with China regarding human rights (Tianamen Square still haunts my memory) and animal issues. I know I can't avoid goods made there completely.

The "west" has financed China so much with their desire for cheap consumable goods that they are riding high and in the UK we (UK owned companies) make almost nothing.
 
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every big multinational company is owned by big hedge funds and you will probably find a lot are Chinese owned or funded by them. There’s no avoiding it. Every country has a history and I’m sure you don’t have to dig that deep to find some dirt in the UK, USA, Europe etc.
all this is driven by consumerism/capitalism.
Chinese has made the most of it. UK used to be big manufacturers, engineers and we were the drivers of the industrial revolution but we offloaded all these manual work to other countries because it was cheaper and we were better and now we moan they can do it cheaper/better.
 
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Regarding the pricing. Remember years ago. The UK always paid more for their cars then pretty much anywhere else on the planet.

There was a strong campaign mainly led by Quentin Wilson for car manufacturers to lower their prices. Car supermarkets popped up where they were buying UK spec cars from Europe at much cheaper prices, and selling them here undercutting main dealers, The car manufacturers brought UK car prices more in line with the rest of Europe.

But in the last say 5 years, car prices have rose very very quickly. Now, it'd be interesting to see if the same price rises have been across the board in other countries. I would guess not. I think with the UK, car manufacturers know we like to replace our cars every 2-3 years. They know that UK consumers are willing to pay top Dollar (Pound) to get their next shiny car.

I say it's a mixture of car manufactures trying to make the UK more profitable for them (like the good old days) and the UK's current obsession with PCP deals. With PCP people don't care what the sticker price is. All they care about is "How much a month mate" will their next car be. To extract an extra £25, £50, £100 a month out of the consumer, the initial sticker price of the car needs to rise to allow the monthly payments to rise.

Those (me) who hate the idea of PCP and prefer to buy cars outright, are getting priced out of the market, as how many people have £40-£60k sat in their bank account waiting to buy an S3 or RS3? Not many. So those who are being priced out of `buying outright` are being forced down the PCP route. The more people take out PCP deals, the more car prices will rise, so in 2 years, you can buy a newer car (maybe same car / same spec) as the one you have now. But as the Balloon payment is more than half the original car's value, you are forced back into another PCP deal. Manufactures know most people don't want to step backwards, so will either stick to the same car, or upgrade. Those sticking to the same car, manufacturers don't want you spending the same monthly as the current car. So by raising the RRP of the cars, your next S3, from your current S3 is `JUST` another £50 a month.

And so it'll continue until the next financial bubble bursts. UK car re-possession is at an all time high. People are defaulting on their PCP deals, as what initially looked affordable while being sat in the dealership, soon becomes a struggle once you start adding fuel, tax, insurance, tyres etc.

Same thing happened with mortgages. At some point it's going to go pop. Just a matter of when?

Without PCP car prices wouldn't be so high as they currently are. But with PCP average Joe can now be driving an S3 rather than a Focus.

That's my take on the price rises anyway.

Good assessment there mate. I do disagree with one thing. The prices in Europe are not less than UK. In fact, the UK has really cheap cars compared to Europe. For example, my new Q2, fully loaded Edition 1, has cost me 61k swiss francs. that's around 48k British pounds! The S3 starts at 56,000 which is 44k pounds. Normal A3 starts at the equivalent of 24k pounds. You get my drift. The same can be said for Portugal and most countries in Europe. The problem is that competition and haggling doesn't really exist in European countries, especially competition (this goes for most industries). In the UK dealers will compete for your custom. In Europe, the price is set and usually, the dealer won't budge even if he can. It's a different mentality. The UK knows that volume is good, in and out of the door sales mentality. In the EU it's about getting the most profit for the product even if sales are lower.

Now, the one reason why high prices in the EU is ok is that cars hold their value. I may pay nearly double for my car compared to the UK but come selling, the value will also be around double. The UK second-hand car prices are unreal! they are stupidly low. Mostly because they are worthless to any other country even as spares but now most probably due to increasing PCP etc... deals being offered.

Before anyone pipes up saying Switzerland isn't in the EU.... They are in Schengen and also the European Economic area! Im sure if someone goes to each Audi country specific website then the prices will be similar.

Funny that noone has mentioned Brexit yet even though prices are shooting up!! Also, no one talking about normal inflation! Cadburys Fredos used to cost 10p. 30p last time i checked!
 
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Now, the one reason why high prices in the EU is ok is that cars hold their value. I may pay nearly double for my car compared to the UK but come selling, the value will also be around double. The UK second-hand car prices are unreal! they are stupidly low. Mostly because they are worthless to any other country even as spares but now most probably due to increasing PCP etc... deals being offered.

I would say main drivers for second hand prices are low it’s cause the British likes new shiny things:wink:
It’s all about keeping up with the jones/snobbery.
There isn’t many countries people will pay stupid amounts of money to get a private plate in reality to hide the age of their cars.
Even look at Toyota. Their luxury cars in Japan are sold as toyotas and in other countries it’s Lexus. It’s the same car. Japanese sees a car for what it is not so much the badge. Where as over here no one will buy a £40k Toyota but they will happily pay that for Lexus.
 
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I would say main drivers for second hand prices are low it’s cause the British likes new shiny things:wink:
It’s all about keeping up with the jones/snobbery.
There isn’t many countries people will pay stupid amounts of money to get a private plate in reality to hide the age of their cars.
Even look at Toyota. Their luxury cars in Japan are sold as toyotas and in other countries it’s Lexus. It’s the same car. Japanese sees a car for what it is not so much the badge. Where as over here no one will buy a £40k Toyota but they will happily pay that for Lexus.

Sorry mate but this happens all over the world. I see your point but it isn't just a UK thing. Private number plate market doesn't happen in the EU because it isn't actually offered. To be honest, only seen private plates in the UK and UAE when I worked there. Crazy prices in Dubai for private plates.

Trust me, the 2nd hand market in the UK is terrible due to cars not being exported. They are useless and only worth what someone will pay which in most cases is low due to: A) the market being flooded with options. B)not attractive due to the cheap deals on newer cars which include warranty etc.... My Swiss car will be able to be exported to various countries and imported for almost free to all of them. A UK RHD car is pointless and worthless in the EU, hence why cars in the UK are contained to only the UK market.
 
Sorry mate but this happens all over the world. I see your point but it isn't just a UK thing. Private number plate market doesn't happen in the EU because it isn't actually offered. To be honest, only seen private plates in the UK and UAE when I worked there. Crazy prices in Dubai for private plates.

Trust me, the 2nd hand market in the UK is terrible due to cars not being exported. They are useless and only worth what someone will pay which in most cases is low due to: A) the market being flooded with options. B)not attractive due to the cheap deals on newer cars which include warranty etc.... My Swiss car will be able to be exported to various countries and imported for almost free to all of them. A UK RHD car is pointless and worthless in the EU, hence why cars in the UK are contained to only the UK market.

Think it depends on the type of car here in the UK. Watching Shmee's GT3 video. He said that in Germany anyone can pretty much walk into a Porsche dealership and order a GT3. Second hand prices of GT3's fall like every other car.

Here in the UK a dealer won't even contemplate selling you a GT3 unless you buy lots of other Porsches off them, or unless you're a YouTube Blogger, or a speculator (who are generally top of the dealers lists). Once a UK GT3 leaves the dealership it immediately increases in value, and get's dumped onto Autotrader. The value of second hand cars become false, as not many people are willing to pay £40k more for a GT3 than what they could buy one from a Dealer. Yet cars are sat unsold on Autotrader or on dealer forecourts, as no one is willing to budge from the over inflated prices. It's the same with many prestigious marques in the UK. Or cars that are rare. One Ford dealer sold themselves a Focus Heritage edition (when it should have been sold to a member of the public) waited a couple months, then had the cheek to advertise it on their website for £100k.

For normal Focus 1.6 Titanium like cars the UK may be cheap for second hand cars, but for others cars, Audi RS cars included, the UK second hand market is falsely high.

UK car's are very exportable. Mainly to African countries hidden in containers once stolen off someone's driveway.
 
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^^ what Ormesome said.
In France a new S3 will cost over £50k at current fx. I kid you not that my S3 8v is only the 2nd S3 my local Audi main dealer has ever seen.

France has an emissions tax which on an RS3 is 10k euro. The UK is a superb market both new and used, the UK lease deals now available are crazy good.........its not like Europe is any wealthier than the UK either.
 
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Think it depends on the type of car here in the UK. Watching Shmee's GT3 video. He said that in Germany anyone can pretty much walk into a Porsche dealership and order a GT3. Second hand prices of GT3's fall like every other car.

Here in the UK a dealer won't even contemplate selling you a GT3 unless you buy lots of other Porsches off them, or unless you're a YouTube Blogger, or a speculator (who are generally top of the dealers lists). Once a UK GT3 leaves the dealership it immediately increases in value, and get's dumped onto Autotrader. The value of second hand cars become false, as not many people are willing to pay £40k more for a GT3 than what they could buy one from a Dealer. Yet cars are sat unsold on Autotrader or on dealer forecourts, as no one is willing to budge from the over inflated prices. It's the same with many prestigious marques in the UK. Or cars that are rare. One Ford dealer sold themselves a Focus Heritage edition (when it should have been sold to a member of the public) waited a couple months, then had the cheek to advertise it on their website for £100k.

For normal Focus 1.6 Titanium like cars the UK may be cheap for second hand cars, but for others cars, Audi RS cars included, the UK second hand market is falsely high.

UK car's are very exportable. Mainly to African countries hidden in containers once stolen off someone's driveway.

Well, your point is only directed at high-end cars that most of us won't actually be buying. The point you make is actually about supply and demand which happens all over the world. No one can supply you with a GT3, so when they are available the price becomes higher. Iv done this with tickets when iv re-sold them. None available so I will dictate the price. Iv even bought 2 iPhones before just to resell on eBay because they were sold out for months so I could resell for way more than RRP.

The point I am making is that the main mass market second-hand cars are completely devalued in the UK. It's not a good thing that your S3 is valued at 20k after 3yrs. It's dam awful! A quick check online for Portugal, 2014 S3 for sale for 34k euros. And that's not an exception. 39k euros in France for a 2014 S3. Of course, there is nothing we can do about it but I'm just trying to illustrate that moaning about high prices in the UK really isn't accurate. The upside is that if buying second hand then you really do have some bargains. But I would never buy new and outright with my own cash in the UK, far too much money to lose, depreciation is huge.
 
To put it into context I bought my LHD S3 new from Audi UK in july 2014 using £GBP.
Worth what maybe £17k now in the UK? If I sold it in France today it is worth more than I paid for it (with current fx)............guess where I will be ordering my next new LHD car :)
 
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Well, your point is only directed at high-end cars that most of us won't actually be buying. The point you make is actually about supply and demand which happens all over the world. No one can supply you with a GT3, so when they are available the price becomes higher. Iv done this with tickets when iv re-sold them. None available so I will dictate the price. Iv even bought 2 iPhones before just to resell on eBay because they were sold out for months so I could resell for way more than RRP.

The point I am making is that the main mass market second-hand cars are completely devalued in the UK. It's not a good thing that your S3 is valued at 20k after 3yrs. It's dam awful! A quick check online for Portugal, 2014 S3 for sale for 34k euros. And that's not an exception. 39k euros in France for a 2014 S3. Of course, there is nothing we can do about it but I'm just trying to illustrate that moaning about high prices in the UK really isn't accurate. The upside is that if buying second hand then you really do have some bargains. But I would never buy new and outright with my own cash in the UK, far too much money to lose, depreciation is huge.

Yes, but what you're not taking into account is each countries TAX policy which effects car prices. Just because an S3 here is say £40k, and the same spec car somewhere else may be £50k. The TAX bands on new car's may be higher there than they are here. That's why most very high end cars (Hyper cars) are always sold as £1m + Taxes.

The point of previous posts from me regarding car prices was, are certain car manufacturers inflating car prices here (regardless of VAT which hasn't changed) more than they are in the rest of Europe. I would suspect they are. Per unit sold how much profit does Audi make from each UK car compared to every car sold in France?
 
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Per unit sold how much profit does Audi make from each UK car compared to every car sold in France?

Don't know mate. Would be interesting to find out. I only know that the wages are lower in the EU (job dependent of course but as a whole lower) but car prices are higher.
 
Another factor which will be hitting Audi hard at the moment too ... there are NO S or RS models available in the Audi range at the moment, unless there is a rogue SQ model or something, but ZERO S or RS cars.

That has gotta be hurting them.
 
Another factor which will be hitting Audi hard at the moment too ... there are NO S or RS models available in the Audi range at the moment, unless there is a rogue SQ model or something, but ZERO S or RS cars.

That has gotta be hurting them.

The S3 Sportback and Saloons are back up, I was told the higher S models will be diesel when the new versions are out, interesting.
 
Another factor which will be hitting Audi hard at the moment too ... there are NO S or RS models available in the Audi range at the moment, unless there is a rogue SQ model or something, but ZERO S or RS cars.

That has gotta be hurting them.

Yeah, Audi & VW seam to be the hardest hit by WLTP, and have been the slowest to react. People wanting to order cars are unable to be given a timescale, or are asking for their deposits back if already ordered. They must be losing hundreds of Millions, if not Billions in lost revenue.

That's why I take the propaganda BBC News with a pinch of salt when they say new cars sales are down to less demand. Bulls**t, the demand is there, it's just the manufacturers can't supply.

See Labour are now blaming Brexit for the JLR job cuts. Take a story, add a bit of spin, lie to the public, and hope enough people don't know the real story, so they vote for you.
 
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The S3 Sportback and Saloons are back up, I was told the higher S models will be diesel when the new versions are out, interesting.

You sure .... I can't find them on the web site (S3) ?
 
Might be old news, or a rebranded A1. Not sure. But i was reading Auto Bild and they had images of what they say is the new A3.

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