PFL to FL Dynamic Taillights conversion guide
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Grattamone
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@larbel, you were right.
I've figured out that NAR codes were
8V4 954 091A
8V4 954 093E
8V4 954 094E
8V4 954 092A
European's are
8V4 954 091
8V4 954 093C
8V4 954 094C
8V4 954 092
I've made some testing with a 9V battery and the turning signal came together with the brake signal.
I'm dying
I'm now good for a refund.
I've figured out that NAR codes were
8V4 954 091A
8V4 954 093E
8V4 954 094E
8V4 954 092A
European's are
8V4 954 091
8V4 954 093C
8V4 954 094C
8V4 954 092
I've made some testing with a 9V battery and the turning signal came together with the brake signal.
I'm dying
I'm now good for a refund.
@larbel, you were right.
I've figured out that NAR codes were
8V4 954 091A
8V4 954 093E
8V4 954 094E
8V4 954 092A
European's are
8V4 954 091
8V4 954 093C
8V4 954 094C
8V4 954 092
I've made some testing with a 9V battery and the turning signal came together with the brake signal.
I'm dying
I'm now good for a refund.
How much you paid for them? PM me if you need help finding the SB lights...
Grattamone
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190€ each, but still ok for a refund.
Bought the new ones on ebay this morning. Thank you larbel.
Bought the new ones on ebay this morning. Thank you larbel.
Hello All
I have a3 8V North-America ver.
I did this instruction PFL -> PL, but the dynamic turning signals work with brake light
Anyone can solve this problem?
Thanks in advance
I have a3 8V North-America ver.
I did this instruction PFL -> PL, but the dynamic turning signals work with brake light
Anyone can solve this problem?
Thanks in advance
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dannyboy1985
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I think the only way to change it is purchasing the Europe model lights not us. Lots of tails in the states use red as indicators where as Europe it’s just yellow.
I have EU ver
upper dynamic light is yellow and brake light is red but work together now
dannyboy1985
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I have EU ver
upper dynamic light is yellow and brake light is red but work together now
You followed the Audizine guide on wiring right? As far as I know, there's two things that need to be happened.. The NAR outer tail has one wire for both turn signal and brakes, you'll need to run a turn signal wire from the inner light to the outer for turn signal. And then with VCDS/OBD11, you'll need to disable the NAR function from presumably Adaptations... Pretty sure I asked on Audizine if anyone can provide the NAR version of J519's number to verify if it's the same as EU or can check on ETKA the functions, but don't think anyone ever came forwarded...
thank you all !
i have obd cable, but i never use that
how can i scan 09 module ?
everything working good without that (turn light working with brake light)
I got some information from google about 09 module, i understood central elec., but I can't find about brake light and turn light
Anyone have coding infor. ?
Thanks in advance
dannyboy1985
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Its my turn for tail lights conversion
I have collected all connectors nedded and waiting the dynamic lights from DPD....
Happy Days!
Can you send me your 09 adaptation map? You will need to retrieve it once it is saved.
I recently did the PFL to FL dynamic taillights conversion with self made wiring loom, someone was asking me the details so I figured I'll just make a post for it.
First of all, here's the pinouts for the FL dynamic taillights (This is same for SB/Sedan)
Outer Lamp (Same for left and right side)
Pin 1 - Ground
Pin 2 - Tail lamp
Pin 3 - Brake lamp
Pin 4 - Turn signal lamp
Pin 5 - Dynamic control - This is the wire that needs to tap to live power
Pin 6 - Tail lamp 2 (connected to inner lamp's running lamp)
Inner Lamp (Same for left and right side)
Pin 1 - Ground
Pin 2 - Tail lamp
Pin 3 - Turn signal lamp
Pin 4 - Fog lamp
Pin 5 - Reverse lamp
Pin 6 - Dynamic control - This is the wire that needs to tap to live power
On the PFL, there's only 5 wires each for the inner and outer lamps, but on the FL dynamic, there's 6 wires each, the additional wire (in red above) is the power for the dynamic module inside the tail lamp, without this wire, everything will still functions normally, just without the dynamic sweeping function.
The FL dynamic taillights has different housing for SB and Sedan, but the connectors and pinouts are identical. On the PFL taillights, SB and Sedan shares the same OUTER lamp connector, but the INNER lamp connectors are different, SB has 8 pins connector while Sedan uses 5 pins connector.
And here's the wiring diagram for PFL SB:
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And here's the wiring diagram for PFL Sedan:
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Outer Lamps:
The connector for both SB/Sedan's OUTER lamp needed is this (Part number 4H0 973 713 C): (** Some PFL SB came standard with this connector for the outer taillight already, so check first)
View attachment 129243
The outer lamp for both SB and Sedan is pretty straight forward, all you need to do is re-pin the wires to this connector using the PFL to FL pinouts above. You can remove the wires by unlocking the purple lock tab inside the connector by sliding it out to the open slot using a screwdriver, and the best way to loosen up the pin locks are by using Molex pin extractor OR two iPhone SIM card removal pins, works like a charm
Inner Lamps:
Here's where the original PFL connectors are different for SB and Sedan, but both need this connector to connect to the FL taillight connector (Part number 4B0 971 636):
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For Sedan, this is the 5 pins male connector I also ordered since I didn't want to cut any wire (Part number 5G0 972 715) and the wiring loom I made using these connectors for my Sedan:
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The extra yellow wire on my wiring loom is the inner lamp's control wire.
For Sportback, I do NOT have the male connector's part number, but this is what the PFL 8 pins looks like, you can check it's part number and should easily find it's counterpart online:
View attachment 129256
Once you have the wiring loom made according to the pinouts above and connected them up, run the control wire to the left side of the trunk (Coz the fuse box is on the left side), connect all four control wires into one and run it to the fuse box in the glove compartment, I used fuse F38 for constant power like this (borrowed from Blackvue install thread
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The taillight cost about £600 from my supplier, the connectors etc another £50 or so, but my original taillight were sold for £300 so this whole project cost me about £350
*** Depends on how anal you are, you don't really have to use any connectors at all, you can opt to just remove the pins from the original connector and isolate them with heat shrink then plug them directly into the FL taillights and seal it with hotmelt or something, like these guys...
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**** Also the FL taillights' plastic trims are different, you can still use the PFL ones but it's not a perfect fit, I ordered FL ones for my Sedan since they're only like $30 total or so, here're the part numbers for Sedan:
8V5 945 253 B
8V5 945 254 B
8V5 945 255 B
8V5 945 256 B
***** I wrote this quick and based on the assumption that the person chose to do this have the basic knowledge of reading the pinouts and tearing down the car, I would not be held responsible for any damage done following this guide, proceed at your own risk, but of course, I'll be happy to answer any questions if there's any
And here's the result:
I have one question:
Old tail lights have bulbs for fog & reverse lights. New tailtlightshave leds. After light installation is there any fault bulb warning message at instrument cluster?
I have pfl led tail lights and i want to install fl led tail lights.
Vcds needs for normal tail lights with bulbs?
I have upgraded mine but getting bulb out errors so need the vcds coding to map them out, i see alot of people asking but get no reply
dannyboy1985
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I just made a quick test and remove reverse kight bulb and warning message came into cluster for burn bulb. I guess the FL full led lights have resistors for fog and reverse leds...Thanks mate
dannyboy1985
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I just made a quick test and remove reverse kight bulb and warning message came into cluster for burn bulb. I guess the FL full led lights have resistors for fog and reverse leds...
Yes, even on a halogen car with no coding the led lights don’t show warnings on the dash.
This sound good.
I have PFL leds now and i am happy because dont need codding to seperate the tail light from stop signal , after FL installation
Hello my friend
I have done the tail light swap acording your diagram. I have one problem:
When ignition is OFF dynamic turn signals work fine
When engine is running the dynamic turn signals dont work well.
Start with dynamic, after 3 flashes work like semi dymanic and after 3 flashes work normal . Dont know what to think.
There is not any fault code with vcds.
Any idea?
Hello my friend
I have done the tail light swap acording your diagram. I have one problem:
When ignition is OFF dynamic turn signals work fine
When engine is running the dynamic turn signals dont work well.
Start with dynamic, after 3 flashes work like semi dymanic and after 3 flashes work normal . Dont know what to think.
There is not any fault code with vcds.
Any idea?
Do you have constant power to the dynamic module? Are you using an adapter to convert power? What happens when the engine is running is the voltage in the system goes higher than 12v. If you have to run the blinker to the outer tail you may also need some energy storage to that the signal can drive the LEDs
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Anyone can help;
After tail light swap with engine running the dymanic is confused!!!!!
Without engine running everything work fine.
If you can get to me in north London I can resolve this issue.
dannyboy1985
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Mine seems to work fine but I would guess as already stated it’s to do with the voltage going to the dynamic modules. Could need a voltage adjuster to keep it down to just 12v. Where have you got the power from?
Maybe you have right my friend
I got power from battery and i try also from fuse box with same results.
When engine is not running dynamic is perfect because voltage is 12,6 volt.
When engine running voltage is 14 volt amd this is the reason i guess.
From which place i have to take 12v?
dannyboy1985
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I took mine from the 12v supply in the boot. I’m guessing this may be more regulated than off the battery. That’s why mine works better.. I have just let it run for awhile and it does eventually get out of sync. I have ordered a DC-DC buck converter so will report back once I’ve tried it but I’m sure that’s the issue. Just check the popular auction site they are about £2
I just try with multimeter
When engine off ---> 12,4 volt
When engine runnimg --->14,6 volt
This cause the problem?
After 3 days into my garage, working with tail lights swap, many tests i found the solution to my problem.
Acording to FL dynamic diagram the outer connector PIN 6 must be connected with inner connector PIN 3 ( this connection cynchonise the dynamic to tail lights). The factory pin 6 from outer black connector soldered with tail light pin 2 like Dannyboy1985
Happy and proud
Acording to FL dynamic diagram the outer connector PIN 6 must be connected with inner connector PIN 3 ( this connection cynchonise the dynamic to tail lights). The factory pin 6 from outer black connector soldered with tail light pin 2 like Dannyboy1985
Happy and proud
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dannyboy1985
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Brilliant work I don’t think anyone has solved this and posted it... I can’t believe I missed that looking at the diagram. Will test this weekend and add it to the guide!
