Ferodo ds2500 Porsche 911 part no?

[RB S3]

Hi guys
Needing to buy ferodo ds2500 pads for my 996 front brake calipers.
Does anyone know the part no, or have a link to the cheapest supplier for these pads?
Thanks

 

[Prawn]

my advice:

Don't ruin decent brakes with **** pads.

Do you have regular 996 / boxster S fronts or turbo calipers?

What's the car going to be used for?

 

[RB S3]

Yea getting ds2500, they not ****!
996 carrera 2/4 calipers.

 

[RB S3]

996.351.429/30

 

[Alex C]

**** pads as in stopping performance or heavy brake dust eating the caliper paint/finish?

 

[RB S3]

Tbh guys just wanted help on the part bo fpr the ds2500 pada.
Not opinions on which pads are best.

 

[Prawn]

You won't get any help with DS2500's from me.

They're Fu*king horrible things, and I'd advise anyone against them strongly.

**** from cold.
Average when warm
**** when hot.

All the downsides of a race pad, dust etc, none of the up sides.

They also are famously bad for causing brake judder. I firmly believe this is why so many people think LCR discs warp. It's the pads.

As I said, avoid.

 

[RB S3]

Tbh its a but of a difficult one.
My mechanic advises them as says other pads cause discs to warp, he had edition 30,rs4, ur Quattro, so think he knows what he's talking about, but I know you do aswell.
I suppose opinions differ.
So what other pads would you recommend?

 

[VAG-Slag]

If you're just after a day to day pad that performs well and doesn't cost the earth, the OE Brembo pads do the job nicely...

I could probably dig out a part number for you if you like?

 

[RB S3]

I did buy the oe pads but i need it to work in all situations really.
Its a weekend car, that i plan to do an occasional trackday, plus nurburgring next year, so best possible setup really

 

[VAG-Slag]

I did buy the oe pads but i need it to work in all situations really.
Its a weekend car, that i plan to do an occasional trackday, plus nurburgring next year, so best possible setup really

Yea, same... I haven't made it to track with these pads yet, but they've taken a lot of hard B road abuse and have never let me down...

The DS3000's I was running before deffo have much sharper bite when up to temp, but they're noisy as hell, chew through discs and leave a horrible mess on rims, calipers and even down the side of the car.

 

[RB S3]

So what pads do you use?

 

[VAG-Slag]

The OE Brembo's

 

[Alex C]

@<tuffty/> rates DS1.11

Had a slight 'moment' the other night where I had to pull up a bit smartish due to a pair of foxes humping in the middle of a country lane I happened to be 'travelling' down...

No harm became the foxes or the car but... the brakes felt horrible...

After a little bit of reading up and a little chat with ASN's resident brakespert @Prawn I decided on a set of DS1.11 pads from Ferodo...

Here are a couple of graphs taken from Ferodo's web site...

Essentially I was going to go for DS3000 but... they have a habit of wearing out discs (by all accounts) and also wearing them selves out too... the DS1.11 pad is described thusly...


Several brake pads on the market boast 'ceramic' technology. DS1.11 is the real thing. It is based upon a chemical family known as Siloxanes. Unlike carbon based materials, siloxane chains do not decompose at high temperatures and so DS1.11 keeps on working up to the highest temperatures a brake pad could ever see. That means it won't fade and has excellent life, the best in the Ferodo Racing range. Moreover the performance remains exactly the same throughout the pad's (long) life. It is formulated to provide a very flat friction profile at a medium/high level of friction. The pad compression is very low, always, and so pedal travel is short and consistent.

The main characteristics of DS1.11 are:

• 
  
  
  • Heavy duty endurance material
  • Applications - touring car, GT, single seat
  • Average friction coefficient 0.46 over working temperature range of 200°-700°C
  • Long life
  • Very kind to discs

(Excerpt taken from http://www.ferodoracing.com/products/car-racing/racing-brake-pads/ds1-11/)

They are an endurance pad and as you can see from the graphs perform better overall than the DS2500's I did have...

So Bill ordered some up and...

..and swapped them out with the DS2500's... (DS2500 on left, DS1.11 on right

One thing to note though is that the normal pad for my AP calipers is supposed to be 55mm deep... this is a bit of a problem on my rotors as they are designed for a 50mm pad... this was causing me issues with pad knock off as the inboard pad over hung the inside edge of the rotor and the outboard pad back plate was catching the bell as it wore down...

Ferodo list the FRP3083 as the front pad...
http://ecat.ferodoracing.com/car-racing/brake-pads/FRP3083

...and the FRP3115 for use for when the caliper is used as a rear...
http://ecat.ferodoracing.com/car-racing/brake-pads/FRP3115

When placed together the look very similar..

...however you can see they are not as deep (obviously)...

..and a slight difference on the sides...

Reality was I either tried to source a rotor that supported a 55mm pad depth (turned out to be an expensive venture if I decided to do that) or use the 50mm pad... biggest issue realistically is the rear pad has 2mm less material depth than the front pad so will wear out sooner... however it works perfectly as there is minimal loss of pad surface area and because I no longer had pad knock off or any of the other issues all was good..

As a further comparison... here is an old pic I took showing off a few of the pads including LCR brembo... as you can see the Brembo pad while being 50mm deep is not quite as 'wide' as the AP pad...

What are they like? f00king actual amazing!!!... they just bite... I have done a minimal amount of bedding in and they are showing no signs of dropping off... little more to do I think before I try a higher speed/hard stop but I have done a fairly hefty pull up from road legal speeds and it near ripped my face off!! ABS was having a bit of a spaz as there wasn't much heat in the tyres and its a little damp out but the difference is epic!!...

I will have to learn how to drive again... I can brake much later now and have much more confidence in my brakes...

<tuffty/>

 

[RB S3]

These then...?
Just seem crazy cheap for decent pads?!
As long as they don't damage the discs, i can always upgrade at a later date?

 

[Gazwould]

OE R90 or performance R90 street pads for street .

Proper dedicated track pads for track .

 

[RB S3]

Thanks
You have a link for performance Street pads?

 

[scotty_24]

OE R90 or performance R90 street pads for street .

Proper dedicated track pads for track .

This


Have street pads for street driving, wheels off, pins out, track pads in within 10 mins.

 

[VAG-Slag]

These then...?
Just seem crazy cheap for decent pads?!
As long as they don't damage the discs, i can always upgrade at a later date?View attachment 104582

Yea, those... Perfect for weekend/fast road use.

I couldn't comment how they perform on track, but as people have said, not much work to swap them out for something more aggressive!..

 

[Prawn]

The issue with pad swapping is deposits and judder.

Many compounds are sensitive to deposits from different pads and the result is often judder for the first few hundred miles.

Good practice to avoid this is to stick within the same pad manufacturer as the pad ranges share many properties, for example Mintex 1155 for road use, and an F2/F4R for track use.

Personally, I just use the same pads for all uses, but mine doesn't cover THAT much road mileage (~8k pa)

 

[RB S3]

Ok so the oe brembo pads will be good enough for fast road use then.
As long as they wont damage the discs, im sure the setup will be miles better than the standard setup i have now!

 

[Goubo1]

I used to have 996 turbo front calipers and I tried few pad types over the time I had them.my use was day to day driving with some fast hard road use stopping from waaay into triple digits and found the best pad in my opinion was textar pads.from memory the pads were like £60/70

 

[VAG-Slag]

I used to have 996 turbo front calipers and I tried few pad types over the time I had them.my use was day to day driving with some fast hard road use stopping from waaay into triple digits and found the best pad in my opinion was textar pads.from memory the pads were like £60/70

Textar are similar to Brembo in the way they're also an OE supplier for hi-end brakes and car manufactures... A lot of Ferrari's, Range Rovers and Porsche's will come with them from factory.

Either way both are fine for fast road use

 

[badger5]

You won't get any help with DS2500's from me.

They're Fu*king horrible things, and I'd advise anyone against them strongly.

**** from cold.
Average when warm
**** when hot.

All the downsides of a race pad, dust etc, none of the up sides.

They also are famously bad for causing brake judder. I firmly believe this is why so many people think LCR discs warp. It's the pads.

As I said, avoid.

utter ****** prawny

they are an excellent pad. work from cold, keep working when hot, and suit track use enthusiastically.
i run them in lupo, my tfsi leon (hammered round combe) zero problems, still on same disks as it came out of the factory with

 

[badger5]

These then...?
Just seem crazy cheap for decent pads?!
As long as they don't damage the discs, i can always upgrade at a later date?View attachment 104582

they look tiny
so little pad area

 

[Lemon S3]

I'm running ds2500 on my Porsche calipers n it stops without any fuss, hot or cold. Ran them when I went round the ring n didn't have a single problem with them. They do make your callipers n wheels dusty but no more than any other pad I've had.

 

[badger5]

on badgerwagen i ran for years with ds3000's, tried performance frictions, pagid blues.. and now sit with pagid rst.
the rst seem to last the longest, and seem disk friendly too.

 

[george_seamons]

DS3000's are a massive step up from DS2500's.

I whole heartedly agree with Prawn with regards to the **** from cold, and **** when too hot, and the deposits. They were perfectly acceptable until I got to the hybrid power levels, then I found the limit of the pads.
Having experienced the same with my LCR as Prawn, I ended up with Carbotech XP12's...which were absolutely awesome all round, but very expensive!

 

[RB S3]

So next debate.
Ds2500
Or ds3000.
Similar price.
Pro's and cons of both?

 

[pule333]

Have Ds2500 on my Rs4. Track the car twice a month. Wicked pads compared to OEM. Haven't tried Ds3000 yet so can not comment.
I can guarantee you will not be disappointed with 2500s. Granted they need a bit of heat in them before they start working properly but usually 2-3 moderate stops bring them up to temp. Dust?? What dust? Have no dust on my wheels after full day at the track.

 

[Gazwould]

Wheels must be black in colour then !