8V S3 Tuning Thread

[pat15312]

Using 102 RON fuel will produce the highest performance figures... you can justify it any way you want but you WILL benefit from being able to use these figures in your product marketing.

Your UK customers will NOT achieve these advertised figures (unless they happen to live near one of the half dozen locations that stock BP 102), so really you should tailor your UK directed marketing to suit the 97 or 99 RON fuel that is actually available to us.

If you're going to sell internationally, you have to tailor your marketing message to each individual market.

 

[bqik]

As far as I know DQ250 torque limitations are at 700nm

TTE , do you know where is the torque limit of the engine?

thanks

 

[bqik]

@bqik which anti-sway bars did you use on your S3? Did you do front and rear or just rear?

Was going to do this on mine..what have you noticed on the handling side of things?

We use H&R sway bars, front and rear.

stock suspension as I don't want to go lower atm.

regards

 

[TTE Si]

Using 102 RON fuel will produce the highest performance figures... you can justify it any way you want but you WILL benefit from being able to use these figures in your product marketing.

Your UK customers will NOT achieve these advertised figures (unless they happen to live near one of the half dozen locations that stock BP 102), so really you should tailor your UK directed marketing to suit the 97 or 99 RON fuel that is actually available to us.

If you're going to sell internationally, you have to tailor your marketing message to each individual market.

This fourm is international.

But we also have customers using E85 and other blends of E. This gives higher numbers and we could use.

Your idea sounds the ideal. But and here's the big but..we have far more global demand now than I can produce for, with the current marketing. So I'll stick to how I do things.

We are a small company not APR or so on and I know what works for us and how the market is, as i do it, but thanks for the input its cool.
If I was a bigger and had larger resources and budget there's many things I'd do but I don't.

Your post talks like I don't share 98, 99 numbers but I do I share near all results big and small to give the big picture, I'm not out too deceive or hide anything but it's our car we are German and 102 is used simple as that.. It's no big thing really.

Again go look at my fourm section at the products and your see it's a mixed bag and really most hit my average Performace number for the products

And I think your your rule of UK customers not making our numbers is flawed as more too tuning packages then just fuel, Germany is far more strict, for instance near all cars run cats and approved exhausts this is a restriction (our car runs this) and can't run open filters or WMI and other stuff due too TUV.

 

[TTE Si]

As far as I know DQ250 torque limitations are at 700nm

TTE , do you know where is the torque limit of the engine?

thanks

We don't or does anyone tbh I think

 

[S3Alex]

This fourm is international.

But we also have customers using E85 and other blends of E. This gives higher numbers and we could use.

Your idea sounds the ideal. But and here's the big but..we have far more global demand now than I can produce for, with the current marketing. So I'll stick to how I do things.

We are a small company not APR or so on and I know what works for us and how the market is, as i do it, but thanks for the input its cool.
If I was a bigger and had larger resources and budget there's many things I'd do but I don't.

Your post talks like I don't share 98, 99 numbers but I do I share near all results big and small to give the big picture, I'm not out too deceive or hide anything but it's our car we are German and 102 is used simple as that.. It's no big thing really.

Again go look at my fourm section at the products and your see it's a mixed bag and really most hit my average Performace number for the products

And I think your your rule of UK customers not making our numbers is flawed as more too tuning packages then just fuel, Germany is far more strict, for instance near all cars run cats and approved exhausts this is a restriction (our car runs this) and can't run open filters or WMI and other stuff due too TUV.

Nicely put Si.

Speaking as someone who doesn't use your products,it's easy for me to say independently that TTE's policy has always been one of sharing results openly,from wherever they come,and on whatever fuel is used,and that's easy to see from the 8L,8P and other forum areas,which some here may not have looked at.

Also re the torque limits,I agree,and until someone bends some rods,holes a piston,or breaks a gearbox,it's not easy to say.
With a car so new to the tuning arena,it's waiting for someone to explore the limits,and all you have currently to base things on is what the previous engine would/could do,and maybe cross fingers for a bit more.

So far,to the best of my knowledge,no-one has strapped a really big turbo onto one of these cars(i.e.on a setup that can exceed 500lbs easily...not 500bhp) and tried it.
All have stopped somewhere in the 440-460lbs region.

 

[TTE Si]

David lee in his G7R (stock motor)with our TTE600R Is the guy pushing the platform for greater good right now at 570ps at a mild boost level, he's been waiting on clutch upgrades before winding the wick up. He installed uprated clutch packs over Christmas and is actually booked in MRC in next few days to retune and see what can be done and has a new MRC billet inlet manifold to back to back test. He also has a fully forged and uprated motor spare, built by RD waiting to go in when he feels the need.

 

[Dandanfings]

David lee in his G7R (stock motor)with our TTE600R Is the guy pushing the platform for greater good right now at 570ps at a mild boost level, he's been waiting on clutch upgrades before winding the wick up. He installed uprated clutch packs over Christmas and is actually booked in MRC in next few days to retune and see what can be done and has a new MRC billet inlet manifold to back to back test. He also has a fully forged and uprated motor spare, built by RD waiting to go in when he feels the need.

Any reason for the clutch change, is it slipping?

I'm really on the fence here on where to go with my car regarding tuning, I'm not keen on APR stage 3 as its a lot of expensive replacement parts for an extra 100-150bhp.
TTE seem to offer the best compromise with the 450, but there are 2 problems.

1) it's fairly expensive for what it is.
2) software, the only firm in the uk charges £1000+ for the privilege.

I think the second problem is the biggest one.
Unless somebody wants to see what happens with standard stage 2 software from Apr or revo with the new turbo?

 

[S3Alex]

David lee in his G7R (stock motor)with our TTE600R Is the guy pushing the platform for greater good right now at 570ps at a mild boost level, he's been waiting on clutch upgrades before winding the wick up. He installed uprated clutch packs over Christmas and is actually booked in MRC in next few days to retune and see what can be done and has a new MRC billet inlet manifold to back to back test. He also has a fully forged and uprated motor spare, built by RD waiting to go in when he feels the need.

It will be interesting to see what the torque levels are,and also how the stock engine tolerates that on a longer term.

I think that seeing what an engine can tolerate in the very short term(i.e. dyno testing) is useful,but gives no indication of long term issues such as crank wear and things like that,or even how long the rods etc may last.

This guy is obviously well prepared for the possibilities,with a fully built engine ready to go,so his feedback will be useful.

I was very surprised by the increase in torque we got on my engine by swapping from a GTX3076 with stock ECU and ATP exhaust manifold,to the GTX3582,with Syvecs ECU and Nortech exhaust manifold.
That lot put over 100lbs onto the torque,with a much more sustained band,meaning that we were getting more torque,with less boost,and more torque at peak rpm(i.e.440lbs at 7500rpm) than we got at peak torque previously.

The results you get from running that on his car will be good to see.

 

[TTE Si]

Any reason for the clutch change, is it slipping?

I'm really on the fence here on where to go with my car regarding tuning, I'm not keen on APR stage 3 as its a lot of expensive replacement parts for an extra 100-150bhp.
TTE seem to offer the best compromise with the 450, but there are 2 problems.

1) it's fairly expensive for what it is.
2) software, the only firm in the uk charges £1000+ for the privilege.

I think the second problem is the biggest one.
Unless somebody wants to see what happens with standard stage 2 software from Apr or revo with the new turbo?

I don't recommend st2 software from anyone to be used with TTE400+ or TTE450+. Shame is Revo HQ have the specific software and TTE450 on there own car for a while now and are very happy with the turbo. Maybe worth a call

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

Apr remap
Stage 1 is giving the car 380hp &

406ft lbs

 

[S3Alex]

Apr remap
Stage 1 is giving the car 380hp & View attachment 75783 406ft lbs

I think,being fair,they've done a good job with that,and the limitations are down to a relatively small turbo.

I.e. yes,the torque peak is 400lbs,but it's all over by around 5000rpm,and rapidly downhill after that,much as with the old engine,but with higher peak figures.

The arrival of hybrids and APR's kit should get around that.

 

[TTE Si]

I think,being fair,they've done a good job with that,and the limitations are down to a relatively small turbo.

I.e. yes,the torque peak is 400lbs,but it's all over by around 5000rpm,and rapidly downhill after that,much as with the old engine,but with higher peak figures.

The arrival of hybrids and APR's kit should get around that.

I wonder what boost that's at ? I heard info of some tuners pushing 2.0 bar + on stock turbo

 

[pepperisback]

I don't recommend st2 software from anyone to be used with TTE400+ or TTE450+. Shame is Revo HQ have the specific software and TTE450 on there own car for a while now and are very happy with the turbo. Maybe worth a call

Why dont you recommend using stage 2 software from the tuners?

 

[S3Alex]

I wonder what boost that's at ? I heard info of some tuners pushing 2.0 bar + on stock turbo

I'd say that's pretty much wringing it's neck,given the advice from people like Owens with much bigger turbos built to order.

They don't recommend running mine at more than 2.5bar,so how an off the shelf turbo would be expected to last.....

 

[batch]

I really need to give Kim a shout next week and get mine on the rollers with/without the M-Cantronic fitted. I won't bother taking the R600 off but should give me a good idea. Some people are getting impressive figures with these!

 

[DAZMC]

Apr stage 1 ecu map
Apr gearbox map
Apr induction kit
Forge intake pipe
Peron inter-cooler
Gold heat tape appiled in places lol
Managed 401.5bhp and 425 ft lbs or 570nm roughtly after everything was fitted

 

[S3Alex]

I really need to give Kim a shout next week and get mine on the rollers with/without the M-Cantronic fitted. I won't bother taking the R600 off but should give me a good idea. Some people are getting impressive figures with these!

That looks interesting for a box,and that they have different boxes for different applications.

 

[TTE Si]

Why dont you recommend using stage 2 software from the tuners?

Because it's software for a STOCK turbo flowing completely different volumes of airmass at rpm and boost pressure to either of my upgrade stages

 

[batch]

That looks interesting for a box,and that they have different boxes for different applications.

It's a decent bit of kit - OEM unions and loom, and an awful lot of pick ups judging by the wiring. Supposed to make 360hp however someone on here had theirs dyno'd at 384 - reading 302 standard. So I'm keen to find out!

 

[S3Alex]

Because it's software for a STOCK turbo flowing completely different volumes of airmass at rpm and boost pressure to either of my upgrade stages

This is exactly it...I think that a few of the software companies have directed all of their efforts towards either stock hardware,or their own products,and this leaves things wide open for custom mappers to fill the gap.

 

[Dandanfings]

I'd say that's pretty much wringing it's neck,given the advice from people like Owens with much bigger turbos built to order.

They don't recommend running mine at more than 2.5bar,so how an off the shelf turbo would be expected to last.....

I was told it's just under 2 bar on the stock turbo, so not all bad.
Been running mine for over 10k miles and as you know I don't baby it and have done long road trips to Germany too!

 

[Dandanfings]

View attachment 75809 Apr stage 1 ecu map
Apr gearbox map
Apr induction kit
Forge intake pipe
Peron inter-cooler
Gold heat tape appiled in places lol
Managed 401.5bhp and 425 ft lbs or 570nm roughtly after everything was fitted

That intercooler is certainly doing its job!
Where are you based and where was this dynoed?
Also what is the peron intercooler?

 

[TTE Si]

I was told it's just under 2 bar on the stock turbo, so not all bad.
Been running mine for over 10k miles and as you know I don't baby it and have done long road trips to Germany too!

Interesting as we do 470 at 1.7-1.5 bar redline so lower shaft RPM and intake temps

 

[Dandanfings]

Interesting as we do 470 at 1.7-1.5 bar redline so lower shaft RPM and intake temps

Yep same I believe as its just blowing hot air at that point so boost drops a lot at redline.
Can't quite figures but I know it's not as huge a increase as people think as stock it's 1.2bar+

 

[DAZMC]

That intercooler is certainly doing its job!
Where are you based and where was this dynoed?
Also what is the peron intercooler?

Based in Glasgow was dynoed @ Ecotune
look up peron they do a lot of ford & vag stuff
It has made a difference 90mm downpipe is next then bigger turbo

 

[Dandanfings]

Based in Glasgow was dynoed @ Ecotune
look up peron they do a lot of ford & vag stuff
It has made a difference 90mm downpipe is next then bigger turbo

i am gonna google them right now thanks.

 

[TTE Si]

I really rate the Wagner. Good fit and tested at 570 so far with more to come

 

[DAZMC]

i am gonna google them right now thanks.

a few people really rate them like R-tech, Ecotune etc and a lot of people on the ford/Vw forums
Dan worth a look i was the development car for it

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

I've got a forge intercooler and scorpion decat downpipe getting fitted in two weeks time, will let you see the dyno print out when it's done

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

a few people really rate them like R-tech, Ecotune etc and a lot of people on the ford/Vw forums
Dan worth a look i was the development car for it

Daryl, I was going to go for the peron ic after speaking to Stan but Dave H got me the forge one at a great price

 

[DAZMC]

might bump into you at ecotune then lol yeah the peron intercooler is pretty good hopefully you get a decent gain out of both dave fitting them ?

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

might bump into you at ecotune then lol yeah the peron intercooler is pretty good hopefully you get a decent gain out of both dave fitting them ?

Yes, too busy just now as Mrs R ready to give birth to our baby, yes Dave is fitting them in a few weeks time then off to Stan at ecotune for stg2 software, will give you a shout when I'm heading over, be raging if I don't get 402hp

 

[DAZMC]

yeah let us know when your heading over then haha i will be raging if you get 402 (kidding) i should be back for my downpipe at the end of the month and stage 2 so should be good to see if it changes much then turbo time

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

yeah let us know when your heading over then haha i will be raging if you get 402 (kidding) i should be back for my downpipe at the end of the month and stage 2 so should be good to see if it changes much then turbo time

Cool, will catch up with you then, my cars going to have a 'baby on board' window sign by then

 

[AndyB-S3]

All the best to you and Mrs R when the baby comes.

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

All the best to you and Mrs R when the baby comes.

Thankyou !!!!

 

[DAZMC]

All the best to you and Mrs Reilly when the baby does come

better take the sticker off when your at crail lol

 

[RedRS3Reilly]

All the best to you and Mrs Reilly when the baby does come

better take the sticker off when your at crail lol

Cheers Daryl, ha! Might keep it on, surprise a few cars, think they are up against a wee standard family s3

 

[aussieR]

yeah let us know when your heading over then haha i will be raging if you get 402 (kidding) i should be back for my downpipe at the end of the month and stage 2 so should be good to see if it changes much then turbo time

Be interested to see what the gains are heading stage 2. Impressive over 400hp stage 1. Looks like the upgraded IC definitely makes a difference. I wonder what the stock turbo can do maybe 430hp stage 2, IC and E85 tune? Maybe 600nm too? Only guessing as nobody gone there yet, well Guy harding in Australia has, had BETA of all this on his car which won hot tuner challenge.

Dyno was 247 WKW which was on same dyno same day over 50WKW more than a stage 1.5 tuned A45.