Fantasy Formula 1 ASN league 2013

[Ghost]

Lmao...last place .........Get in there

....and you didn’t give us one race head start this year

:icon_thumright:

 

[Ghost]

Think this is going to be the best ASN FF1 EVER!!

British GP next, bet there are a few Jokers being played there?

Anyone can still win this

 

[Sandra]

Think this is going to be the best ASN FF1 EVER!!

British GP next, bet there are a few Jokers being played there?

Anyone can still win this

It sure is spooky, we nearly doubled our list this year, will do better next year, get more members involved. Its great fun and we are all competitive. Silverstone will be good, there is enough rounds left so the competition in here will be good, too close to call just now. x

 

[joedredd]

Who gives a is lucky his Joker payed off...

Roll on Japan, where I will **** you all up

Wish I played it last week, that was my best race to date !!

 

[joedredd]

Update to team name; WhoGivesAF1

 

[Ghost]

Haha, most of them need a new “Team” not just a new team name!!

 

[slepy]

Here are the latest results after British GP

Pos	Team Name	Bonus	AUS	MYS	CHN	BHR	ESP	MCO	CAN	GBR	GER	HUN	BEL	ITA	SGP	KOR	JPN	IND	UAE	USA	BRZ	Total Points
1	MyothercarsaAudi	2	72	66	62	70	32	100	56	66	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	526
2	RHRacing	0	85	31	76	55	71	45	64	78	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	505
3	The bestest?	1	57	20	80	18	51	45	72	144	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	488
4	WhoGivesaF1	0	120	35	68	48	61	49	81	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	485
5	Man boost.	0	57	81	56	79	46	53	75	23	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	470
6	Mod team	1	60	56	38	54	35	70	68	78	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	460
7	SRGP	1	94	74	51	60	12	54	73	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	456
8	Martin1 Racing	1	74	58	51	63	55	33	33	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	438
9	Fast n Sexy	3	52	63	65	52	56	39	72	21	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	423
10	Slacker	0	45	48	34	56	46	98	38	55	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	420
11	GoGoGo! JoJos!	6	45	59	45	60	13	90	54	46	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	418
12	Hornets	1	82	16	63	39	59	45	65	47	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	417
13	J-AM	0	60	16	80	20	71	11	75	47	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	380
14	Green Energy	1	59	51	51	36	34	31	43	59	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	365
15	Smith racing	4	56	37	46	33	26	61	43	7	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	313
16	teamTDI	3	34	42	50	64	43	24	17	34	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	311
17	Unpredictables	1	36	9	50	52	42	49	44	27	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	310
17	Voorhees Victors	1	0	36	53	28	50	36	47	59	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	310
19	F1Kamikaze	0	48	-10	68	24	63	10	46	28	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	277
20	Heath Legends	0	28	-6	53	26	39	35	34	47	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	256
21	Teamorange	0	30	28	43	62	17	35	37	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	253
22	ArchStanton1862	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	233
22	F1 Majik	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	233
22	VWRacing	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	233

 

[Sandra]

Thanks Arek, least im going in the right direction now. x

 

[Westy_A3T]

Oh, went back to the top again :weight_lift2:

 

[slepy]

A bit late update after German GP

Pos Team Name Bonus AUS MYS CHN BHR ESP MCO CAN GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SGP KOR JPN IND UAE USA BRZ Total Points 1 MyothercarsaAudi 2 72 66 62 70 32 100 56 66 58 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 584 2 RHRacing 0 85 31 76 55 71 45 64 78 68 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 573 3 Man boost. 0 57 81 56 79 46 53 75 23 83 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 553 4 WhoGivesaF1 0 120 35 68 48 61 49 81 23 62 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 547 5 The bestest? 1 57 20 80 18 51 45 72 144 42 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 530 6 SRGP 1 94 74 51 60 12 54 73 37 54 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 510 7 Mod team 1 60 56 38 54 35 70 68 78 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 495 8 Fast n Sexy 3 52 63 65 52 56 39 72 21 71 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 494 9 Martin1 Racing 1 74 58 51 63 55 33 33 70 48 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 486 10 Slacker 0 45 48 34 56 46 98 38 55 61 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 481 11 Hornets 1 82 16 63 39 59 45 65 47 52 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 469 12 GoGoGo! JoJos! 6 45 59 45 60 13 90 54 46 47 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 465 13 J-AM 0 60 16 80 20 71 11 75 47 62 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 442 14 Green Energy 1 59 51 51 36 34 31 43 59 17 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 382 15 teamTDI 3 34 42 50 64 43 24 17 34 58 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 369 16 Unpredictables 1 36 9 50 52 42 49 44 27 49 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 359 17 Smith racing 4 56 37 46 33 26 61 43 7 43 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 356 18 Voorhees Victors 1 0 36 53 28 50 36 47 59 30 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 340 19 Heath Legends 0 28 -6 53 26 39 35 34 47 72 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 328 20 F1Kamikaze 0 48 -10 68 24 63 10 46 28 50 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 327 21 Teamorange 0 30 28 43 62 17 35 37 1 65 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 318 22 ArchStanton1862 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 265 22 F1 Majik 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 265 22 VWRacing 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 265

 

[16Klappe]

A nice recovery from the last race for me; how enjoyable.

Only 6 races until I double my points and win I'm excited!

 

[slepy]

Latest scores after Hungarian GP

Pos	Team Name	Bonus	AUS	MYS	CHN	BHR	ESP	MCO	CAN	GBR	GER	HUN	BEL	ITA	SGP	KOR	JPN	IND	UAE	USA	BRZ	Total Points
1	MyothercarsaAudi	2	72	66	62	70	32	100	56	66	58	90	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	674
2	RHRacing	0	85	31	76	55	71	45	64	78	68	75	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	648
3	Man boost.	0	57	81	56	79	46	53	75	23	83	50	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	603
4	The bestest?	1	57	20	80	18	51	45	72	144	42	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	600
5	WhoGivesaF1	0	120	35	68	48	61	49	81	23	62	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	585
6	Martin1 Racing	1	74	58	51	63	55	33	33	70	48	84	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	570
7	SRGP	1	94	74	51	60	12	54	73	37	54	59	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	569
8	Mod team	1	60	56	38	54	35	70	68	78	35	57	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	552
9	Fast n Sexy	3	52	63	65	52	56	39	72	21	71	42	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	536
10	GoGoGo! JoJos!	6	45	59	45	60	13	90	54	46	47	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	535
11	Slacker	0	45	48	34	56	46	98	38	55	61	33	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	514
12	Hornets	1	82	16	63	39	59	45	65	47	52	36	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	505
13	J-AM	0	60	16	80	20	71	11	75	47	62	35	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	477
14	Green Energy	1	59	51	51	36	34	31	43	59	17	72	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	454
15	teamTDI	3	34	42	50	64	43	24	17	34	58	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	418
16	Smith racing	4	56	37	46	33	26	61	43	7	43	56	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	412
17	Voorhees Victors	1	0	36	53	28	50	36	47	59	30	66	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	406
18	Unpredictables	1	36	9	50	52	42	49	44	27	49	38	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	397
19	F1 Majik	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	32	120	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	385
20	Heath Legends	0	28	-6	53	26	39	35	34	47	72	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	377
21	Teamorange	0	30	28	43	62	17	35	37	1	65	43	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	361
22	F1Kamikaze	0	48	-10	68	24	63	10	46	28	50	30	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	357
23	ArchStanton1862	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	32	60	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	325
23	VWRacing	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	32	60	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	0	325

 

[Sandra]

​Thanks for the update Arek, much appreciated. x

 

[Ghost]

Sandra…. do you have anything to do with Slepy not posting up the latest scores???

I mean you the one going backwards… just like Webber!

 

[-Ju-]

Can you post them upside down? I'm sick of being at the bottom

 

[Sandra]

Sandra…. do you have anything to do with Slepy not posting up the latest scores???

I mean you the one going backwards… just like Webber!

im only letting you beat me for the moment, so tthat when i overtake you in the leaderboard i get more pleasure from kicking your butt, lmao. x

 

[slepy]

Sorry guys for the lack of recent updates. I've been rather busy lately. Will update it tomorrow afternoon.

 

[slepy]

Just as an update, after many years with VAG cars and recent disaster with my leon (turbo and dpf gone) decided to move to jap and bought a Civic Type R on Sunday. Not everyones cup but I'm loving high revs and vtec noise

Here are the latest scores:

Pos Team Name Bonus AUS MYS CHN BHR ESP MCO CAN GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SGP KOR JPN IND UAE USA BRZ Total Points 1 MyothercarsaAudi 2 72 66 62 70 32 100 56 66 58 90 39 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 713 2 RHRacing 0 85 31 76 55 71 45 64 78 68 75 51 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 699 3 Man boost. 0 57 81 56 79 46 53 75 23 83 50 78 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 681 4 The bestest? 1 57 20 80 18 51 45 72 144 42 70 76 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 676 5 WhoGivesaF1 0 120 35 68 48 61 49 81 23 62 38 86 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 671 6 SRGP 1 94 74 51 60 12 54 73 37 54 59 71 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 640 7 Fast n Sexy 3 52 63 65 52 56 39 72 21 71 42 77 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 613 8 GoGoGo! JoJos! 6 45 59 45 60 13 90 54 46 47 70 54 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 589 9 Mod team 1 60 56 38 54 35 70 68 78 35 57 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 584 10 Martin1 Racing 1 74 58 51 63 55 33 33 70 48 84 11 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 581 11 J-AM 0 60 16 80 20 71 11 75 47 62 35 78 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 555 12 Hornets 1 82 16 63 39 59 45 65 47 52 36 44 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 549 13 Slacker 0 45 48 34 56 46 98 38 55 61 33 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 547 14 Green Energy 1 59 51 51 36 34 31 43 59 17 72 76 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 530 15 Voorhees Victors 1 0 36 53 28 50 36 47 59 30 66 51 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 457 16 Smith racing 4 56 37 46 33 26 61 43 7 43 56 44 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 456 17 teamTDI 3 34 42 50 64 43 24 17 34 58 49 19 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 437 18 Unpredictables 1 36 9 50 52 42 49 44 27 49 38 27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 424 19 Heath Legends 0 28 -6 53 26 39 35 34 47 72 49 46 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 423 20 F1 Majik 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 120 36 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 421 21 F1Kamikaze 0 48 -10 68 24 63 10 46 28 50 30 60 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 417 22 Teamorange 0 30 28 43 62 17 35 37 1 65 43 45 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 406 23 ArchStanton1862 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 60 72 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 397 24 VWRacing 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 60 36 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 361

 

[Ghost]

Thanks Slepy, was just going to ask how much Sandra was paying you not to put the scores up

Sooooooo whos the top mod on here now?........... is it JoJo ?

 

[Sandra]

Thanks Slepy, was just going to ask how much Sandra was paying you not to put the scores up

Sooooooo whos the top mod on here now?........... is it JoJo ?

Oi Spooky. I like to give you boys a false sense of security, i will beat you all before the end of the season, so watch this space very carefully. Pmsl. x

 

[Ghost]

Oi Spooky. I like to give you boys a false sense of security, x

It’s working!!

 

[Sandra]

It’s working!!

Lol, you cheeky devil. Watch and learn Spooky. x

 

[slepy]

Latest scores after Italian GP

Pos Team Name Bonus AUS MYS CHN BHR ESP MCO CAN GBR GER HUN BEL ITA SGP KOR JPN IND UAE USA BRZ Total Points 1 Man boost. 0 57 81 56 79 46 53 75 23 83 50 78 78 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 759 2 RHRacing 0 85 31 76 55 71 45 64 78 68 75 51 54 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 753 3 MyothercarsaAudi 2 72 66 62 70 32 100 56 66 58 90 39 38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 751 4 WhoGivesaF1 0 120 35 68 48 61 49 81 23 62 38 86 77 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 748 5 The bestest? 1 57 20 80 18 51 45 72 144 42 70 76 53 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 729 6 Fast n Sexy 3 52 63 65 52 56 39 72 21 71 42 77 72 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 685 7 SRGP 1 94 74 51 60 12 54 73 37 54 59 71 44 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 684 8 J-AM 0 60 16 80 20 71 11 75 47 62 35 78 69 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 624 8 Mod team 1 60 56 38 54 35 70 68 78 35 57 32 40 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 624 10 GoGoGo! JoJos! 6 45 59 45 60 13 90 54 46 47 70 54 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 623 11 Martin1 Racing 1 74 58 51 63 55 33 33 70 48 84 11 29 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 610 12 Hornets 1 82 16 63 39 59 45 65 47 52 36 44 37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 586 13 Slacker 0 45 48 34 56 46 98 38 55 61 33 33 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 579 14 Green Energy 1 59 51 51 36 34 31 43 59 17 72 76 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 562 15 Smith racing 4 56 37 46 33 26 61 43 7 43 56 44 35 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 491 16 Voorhees Victors 1 0 36 53 28 50 36 47 59 30 66 51 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 490 17 F1Kamikaze 0 48 -10 68 24 63 10 46 28 50 30 60 70 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 487 18 teamTDI 3 34 42 50 64 43 24 17 34 58 49 19 32 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 469 19 Unpredictables 1 36 9 50 52 42 49 44 27 49 38 27 34 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 458 20 Heath Legends 0 28 -6 53 26 39 35 34 47 72 49 46 28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 451 21 Teamorange 0 30 28 43 62 17 35 37 1 65 43 45 33 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 439 22 F1 Majik 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 120 36 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 429 23 ArchStanton1862 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 60 72 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 405 24 VWRacing 0 23 34 40 49 -2 35 30 24 32 60 36 16 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 377

 

[Sandra]

​Thank you Arek, my team are going to have to get some better results if im to win this year. x

 

[Ghost]

YES.. come-on Fast N Sexy!!

Im making my way up now through the teams that have already played they’re Jokers!
I see a lot of jokers around there!!

Well done Man Boost, on going in to the Number one spot! :icon_thumright: (Keep it warm for me)

Is Sandra the top Mod again?
I was only saying last week you have a good team to lookout for.

 

[Sandra]

Pmsl, your so going to get beat Ghost. I just letting you all enjoy the top spot feeling before i knock you all off and i take my rightful place. x

 

[jojo]

My aim is still to finish last, just need Perez and McLaren to keep finishing out the points, and I'm on my way!

 

[Sandra]

My aim is still to finish last, just need Perez and McLaren to keep finishing out the points, and I'm on my way!

As long as both you and Jase finish below me, i will be happy. x

 

[slepy]

And I need them to score a lot of points Can't believe how s***t maclaren is this season. Ferrari announced today that kimi is in for 2014 My dream team. Alonso and Kimi at ferrari ♥

 

[Ghost]

Lol … you thinking about the 2014 season already Slepy?
Yes, Alonso Kimi and Farrari will make an awesome FF1 team next year!

But…don't think you will be able to afford them all






Cough Cough… come on JoJo! ......................................

 

[slepy]

Hmm. I dont think I will put all on ferrari in ff1 next year but I was always supporting ferrari and now they will have my 2 favourite drivers

I doubt I can win this year

 

[16Klappe]

I've still got my joker to play at Japan too

This is getting exciting now

 

[Ghost]

What a drive from Webber… he was on fire.. well his car was!!

Christian Horner said “webber was quicker through section 3 than Vettel” sadly it was on the back of the Ferrari!!
Not looking good for Sandra to keep top mod

 

[Sandra]

You never let me down Ghost with your great pics, I told you Mark Webber was hot, lmao. He sure proved it today. No, i agree, my team will be surfing down the bottom of the table, iirc you sat there the whole of last season, but i not planning on staying there. Might be better if i drive the car myself, lol. x

 

[-Ju-]

Not right at the bottom though Sandra, that spots reserved for me!

 

[Sandra]

Not right at the bottom though Sandra, that spots reserved for me!

I will be right down there beside you after webber and di resta didnt finish today x

 

[slepy]

Results after Singapore. I'm catching up Sandra. Will laugh if I finish this season in front of you

Pos	Team Name	Bonus	AUS	MYS	CHN	BHR	ESP	MCO	CAN	GBR	GER	HUN	BEL	ITA	SGP	KOR	JPN	IND	UAE	USA	BRZ	Total Points
1	RHRacing	0	85	31	76	55	71	45	64	78	68	75	51	54	83	0	0	0	0	0	0	836
2	Man boost.	0	57	81	56	79	46	53	75	23	83	50	78	78	75	0	0	0	0	0	0	834
3	MyothercarsaAudi	2	72	66	62	70	32	100	56	66	58	90	39	38	70	0	0	0	0	0	0	821
4	WhoGivesaF1	0	120	35	68	48	61	49	81	23	62	38	86	77	68	0	0	0	0	0	0	816
5	The bestest?	1	57	20	80	18	51	45	72	144	42	70	76	53	65	0	0	0	0	0	0	794
6	Fast n Sexy	3	52	63	65	52	56	39	72	21	71	42	77	72	72	0	0	0	0	0	0	757
7	SRGP	1	94	74	51	60	12	54	73	37	54	59	71	44	58	0	0	0	0	0	0	742
8	Martin1 Racing	1	74	58	51	63	55	33	33	70	48	84	11	29	78	0	0	0	0	0	0	688
9	GoGoGo! JoJos!	6	45	59	45	60	13	90	54	46	47	70	54	34	55	0	0	0	0	0	0	678
10	J-AM	0	60	16	80	20	71	11	75	47	62	35	78	69	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	673
11	Slacker	0	45	48	34	56	46	98	38	55	61	33	33	32	67	0	0	0	0	0	0	646
12	Mod team	1	60	56	38	54	35	70	68	78	35	57	32	40	21	0	0	0	0	0	0	645
13	Hornets	1	82	16	63	39	59	45	65	47	52	36	44	37	51	0	0	0	0	0	0	637
14	Green Energy	1	59	51	51	36	34	31	43	59	17	72	76	32	43	0	0	0	0	0	0	605
15	F1Kamikaze	0	48	-10	68	24	63	10	46	28	50	30	60	70	62	0	0	0	0	0	0	549
16	Voorhees Victors	1	0	36	53	28	50	36	47	59	30	66	51	33	49	0	0	0	0	0	0	539
17	Smith racing	4	56	37	46	33	26	61	43	7	43	56	44	35	46	0	0	0	0	0	0	537
18	teamTDI	3	34	42	50	64	43	24	17	34	58	49	19	32	61	0	0	0	0	0	0	530
19	Heath Legends	0	28	-6	53	26	39	35	34	47	72	49	46	28	47	0	0	0	0	0	0	498
20	Unpredictables	1	36	9	50	52	42	49	44	27	49	38	27	34	36	0	0	0	0	0	0	494
21	F1 Majik	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	32	120	36	8	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	466
22	Teamorange	0	30	28	43	62	17	35	37	1	65	43	45	33	21	0	0	0	0	0	0	460
23	ArchStanton1862	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	32	60	72	8	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	442
24	VWRacing	0	23	34	40	49	-2	35	30	24	32	60	36	16	37	0	0	0	0	0	0	414

 

[Ghost]

Yes…………. GOOOOOOO GOOOOOOOOOOOOO GOOOOOO JoJo!!

..and here’s one for Sandra pop pickers!!

 

[Ghost]

Sleepy, are you not ahead of Sandra now by one point? I can see her buying you dinner again this year!!

 

[slepy]

Nah mate. My team is F1Kamikaze. Besides, I didn't get the last one yet!