RNS-D to RNS-E, now glovebox cd changer doesn't work......

[Az]

Hi there,

I wasn't sure what forum to post this in but hopefully someone can help me out.

I've recently retro fitted an RNS-E unit to my car which had an RNS-D unit in it originally. All works brilliant apart from the glovebox cd changer which powers up fine but it's running on a permanent live and doesn't switch off with the ignition or headunit.

The RNS-E can see there is a cd changer connected but it doesn't allow me to select Amy cd from 1-6 and therefore I can't play any cd's.

Initially I thought the unit needed coding to the cd changer, but after an email to hazzy dayz they informed me that it shouldn't have anything to do with coding but more likely to be wiring, either connectors in the wrong pins or the harness itself isn't compatible. But I'm sure it's just a case of relocating a couple of pins in the blue multiplug which plugs into the conversion harness from the cd changer.

Can anyone confirm this or if I am right and you have swapped pins around to make it work fully could you please share what wires you swapped around please?

I'm thinking it could be down to the 'data out' wire for possibly sending the music signal to the headunit, and maybe the 'switched power' wire for the ignition on and off?? I don't know, that's why I need help!

Cheers,
Azl

 

[NHN]

No need to open 3 threads on the same thing, just remember its home time for many, so people will respond this evening probably mate.

Coding is always advised aswell as checking your wiring, you should of done a pin to pin check as adapter leads are often wired wrong from suppliers anyway, so check this & with vcds, its really that simple tbh.

 

[s8craig]

There are compatibility issues between the RNS-D and E CD changers, your really should have the model D changer to work with the RNS-E, but there is a work around but you may not be able to do it.

Whilst powered on
Remove all CD's from the changer
Disconnect the changer
Plug in an Ipod interface or a model D changer ( I use an old Ipod interface)
Disconnect the Ipod interface
Plug in your old CD changer, it should work
Install disks 1 at a time, more than 1 confuses it.
The RNS-E should show "Audio CD" if all is well on each inserted disk.

As for the powering off issue, I think you will find that it powers off after a while, but until you actually lock the car with the remote then everything is kept alive. Even keeping the glovebox door open keeps the car awake. So it's hard to tell when the CD changer has been shut down. trust me it will shut down.

 

[Az]

Thanks for the replies.

The reason I started 3 threads is as I mentioned in the OP I was unsure as to what forum to post it in. I didn't know if it would be classed as a satnav issue or an ice issue, and the reason for posting it in the b6 section is because its b6 related in my case so someone may of experienced the same problem but doesn't normally visit this ice / nav section.

Anyway, it is the 'C' cd changer I have, I have read though that any glovebox changer should work (u.s forum tested) but if I can get an iPod interface from somewhere I will definately give that a go.

As for the power off issue, I left the cd changer plugged in but left on the passenger foot well over night, it was powered when I switched the car off, still powered when I locked the car, and still powered when I came to open the car the next morning, so it was on all night.

 

[s8craig]

I very much doubt that, as soon as you press the keyfob to unlock the car it will power up

And it does take some time to switch off when car is locked.

As for the power off issue, I left the cd changer plugged in but left on the passenger foot well over night, it was powered when I switched the car off, still powered when I locked the car, and still powered when I came to open the car the next morning, so it was on all night.

 

[Az]

I very much doubt that, as soon as you press the keyfob to unlock the car it will power up

And it does take some time to switch off when car is locked.

Yep your right mate, my mistake. I double checked it today and it powers off once the fan has stopped running on the RNS-E.

So I spent ages today searching the net for pin out diagrams on both the RNS-E and the cd changer wiring, eventually I found what I was after and traced all the appropriate wires which were all in the right places on both units (when it comes to connecting the multiplugs) bar 2 pins on the conversion harness which were in the wrong places, they were the 'line output' right and left, they were the wrong way round, so I swapped them over to the right pins but I'm still not getting any play from the changer, surely this is down to coding?

 

[s8craig]

Coding has no affect on the CD changer, it will work regardless on the RNS-E, same as Ipod or TV.

 

[Az]

Hmmm, ok, I seem to be getting told different things here, someone on the b6 forum told me the RNS-E needs to be told what devises it has connected to it with the following coding.....

RNS-E Coding is required......

[h=2]Coding[/h]

• 0?xxxxx: Model
  • 1 = Lamborghini
  • 2 = Audi A3 (8P)
  • 3 = Audi A4 (8E)
  • 4 = Audi A4 Cabriolet (8H)
  • 5 = Audi A6 (4B)
  • 6 = Audi TT (8J)
  • 7 = Audi R8 (42)
• 0x?xxxx: Treble Speaker Monitoring inactive
  • 0 = Front Treble Speaker Monitoring inactive active (NOT Audi A4 Cabriolet)
  • 1 = Front Treble Speaker Monitoring inactive inactive (ONLY Audi A4 Cabriolet)
• 0xx?xxx: Sound Characteristic
  • 0 = Sound Characteristic linear
  • 1 = Audi A4 (8E)
  • 2 = Audi A6 (4B)
  • 3 = Audi A4 Cabriolet (8H)
  • 4 = Audi TT (8J)
  • 5 = Audi A3 (8P)
  • 9 = Sound System
• 0xxx?xx: Telephone/Telematic
  • 1 = Telephone not installed (Remote Feed Voltage for Microphone active)
  • 2 = Base Plate (Temic - Remote Feed Voltage for Microphone inactive)
  • 3 = Base Plate (Cullmann - Remote Feed Voltage for Microphone inactive)
  • 4 = Base Plate (Nokia - Remote Feed Voltage for Microphone inactive)
  • 5 = Telematic Europa (Remote Feed Voltage for Microphone inactive)
  • 6 = Telematic US (Remote Feed Voltage for Microphone inactive)
  • 7 = Base Plate diagnostic capable with Comfort Control
• 0xxxx?x: Equipment I
  • 1 = Tuner not installed
  • 2 = Digital-Radio installed
  • 3 = Satellite-Radio installed
  • 4 = Satellite and Digital-Radio installed
  • 5 = Analog Input (AUX) installed
  • 7 = Satellite-Radio & Analog Input (AUX) installed
• 0xxxxx?: Equipment II
  • 1 = TV-Tuner/CD-Changer/Multi-Function Steering Wheel not installed
  • 2 = TV-Tuner installed
  • 3 = CD-Changer installed
  • 4 = TV-Tuner and CD-Changer installed
  • 5 = Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
  • 6 = TV-Tuner and Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
  • 7 = CD-Changer and Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed
  • 8 = TV-Tuner and CD-Changer and Multi-Function Steering Wheel installed

So if it's not the wiring or the coding could it be the fact that my cd changer is an 8E0 035 111 C and I need the D version?

Thanks for you help by the way mate.

 

[s8craig]

I've been installing into Audi's for 7 years and I can assure you that coding isn't needed for the CD/IPOD for it to function, but the RNS-E will show an error code until it is coded for CD and that's all.

I have already posted what is required to fix this issue, either a D model CD changer or the workaround.

It's not rocket science, but you also have to understand that everything written on a forum is not gospel, I had advised someone about CD changer/Ipod configs for an RNS-E and then some guy that had an A8 with a totally different MMI system chirped in with misinformation about keeping his CD and Ipod together was possible because he had just had it done. I had to then explain why the cars were different.

And I also make mistakes due to lack of knowledge/experience too.

 

[Az]

I appreciate your help mate and I wasn't knocking your knowledge as I have seen your name crop up on several audi forums when it comes to retro fits etc, but, I haven't taken 1 forum users word as gospel when I did a search on the subject, I lost count of how many forums I searched and read from UK sites to US ones, I also read several purpose built retro fit websites, and like I said have read mixed reports when it comes to connecting a cd changer.

Anyway, thanks again for your help, I'll now search for a D changer.

 

[Ian MACKINNON]

Hi S8craig,

I wonder if you can help me.I recently upgaraded my 2008 A4 cab to an Rns-e sat navplus from a symphony 2 and the Rns-e came with a glove box CD Changer 8e0035111d. Unfortunately it never came with the cable between them so I purchased a kufatec 33803 cable via eBay. The cable arrived during the week and I spent the Saturday afternoon fitting it, however all that happens with the changer is that the lights flicker on and off in what appears to be a sequence but nothing else. I’ve fitted the individual brown wire that was fitted into the blue connector into the kufatec connector and connected the ring tag of the the cable to the head unit.

I’ve been told elsewhere in the forum that it is possibly a coding issue but if I’m understanding your thread you say it should just work. I’ve traced through the wiring and asked kufatec to confirm it is correct and they say it is although I cannot find a wiring diagram myself to validate this.

I’ve attached a picture of my wiring.

Can I ask if you have encountered this issue before and if possible what the solution is?

I Know I need to get the VCDS coded to get the steering wheel functionality enabled and the cluster to display the sat nav instruction but was really hoping the cd changer would be plug and play.

Many thanks in advance

Ian

 

[s8craig]

I'm not in the business anymore, but from memory if the CD changer runs a sequence of lights it's faulty possibly.

The loose brown wire should go to the ground wire of the head unit, but the chassis should be good enough

Even without any coding the CD changer should work., but the RNS-E will show incorrectly coded until it is coded in correctly

 

[Ian MACKINNON]

I'm not in the business anymore, but from memory if the CD changer runs a sequence of lights it's faulty possibly.

The loose brown wire should go to the ground wire of the head unit, but the chassis should be good enough

Even without any coding the CD changer should work., but the RNS-E will show incorrectly coded until it is coded in correctly

Thanks, I’ve bought another CD player which arrives tomorrow so will swap it out and see what happens.

To get the rnse unit and CD player coded to the car, where is best to go? Is this something the main dealer will do or can I do it myself?

Cheers

 

[Ian MACKINNON]

Thanks, I’ve bought another CD player which arrives tomorrow so will swap it out and see what happens.

To get the rnse unit and CD player coded to the car, where is best to go? Is this something the main dealer will do or can I do it myself?

Cheers

Hi s8craig,

I tried another CD changer and although the rns-e headunit now recognised the cd changer and shows the 6 Cd slots as empty, the cd changer itself still shows a sequence of flashing lights. The motor mechanism however does sound as if it tries to work and then stops before the flashing light sequence starts again.

Is this a case of bad luck and buying two faulty cd changers?

Any help would be really appreciated.

Thanks

Ian

 

[Ian MACKINNON]

Hi,

I’ve now managed to get the CD changer working with the RNS-E, it turned out to be two faulty CD changers.

Now I have that working I have fitted a KUFATEC 36431 Audi Basic Plus Bluetooth phone kit.

Just to remind, my car is a 2008 Audi A4 convertible. I live in England and with a European RNS-E.

I know that I now need to code the RNS-E to the car via the VCDS but I am unsure what the correct codes should be for the RNS-E, multi functional steering wheel and instrument display. Currently the sat Nav directions do not appear in the instrument cluster and neither the mode or voice control buttons on the multi functional steering wheel work. What does work are both the selection wheels on the steering wheel for volume and track change and when using the phone, the DIS displays phone.

Using the VCDS, the current stored codes are as follows:

Steering wheel 02011
Instrument 0006411 with the number currently stored in the adaption for channel 62 being 17
Radio 0301713

From what I have read in various forums, I believe I need to change the numbers to the following:

Steering wheel 03011
Instrument adaption channel 62 to 21
Radio 0301717

Can someone please validate the correct codes for me please as I think I’ve read every forum page and have not been able to determine the right codes.

Cheers

 

[s8craig]

You had a some bad luck there, shame as I sold 4 brand new CD changers for very little money about a month ago.

You will only get voice control if you have a genuine Audi telephone that supports it or SDS built into your RNS-E

So you will not get SDS with an RNS-E and kufatec kit AFAIK, but its been a while since I last looked at Kufatec kits.

The Cluster should be programmed for the NAV and phone, so 21 for channel 62 as you said

 

[beeitch]

I am doing the conversion in an A3 8L 2002 (canbus) to rns-e from a symphony II with oem connectors. I have used the kufatec loom and everything works fine but ... the original CD changer doesn't works with the RNS-is not detecting it, I can't eject the cd tray, seems to be without power

Any clue will be appreciated....

 

[s8craig]

It's missing the CD ground wire probably, these adaptors do not connect that extra wire you need for the CD changer, there is usually a loose flying lead for the CD ground.

Look for the CD ground pin on the RNS-E going to pin 10 (green block) of the 20 pin connector and you will find it doesn't go anywhere.

 

[beeitch]

It's missing the CD ground wire probably, these adaptors do not connect that extra wire you need for the CD changer, there is usually a loose flying lead for the CD ground.

Look for the CD ground pin on the RNS-E going to pin 10 (green block) of the 20 pin connector and you will find it doesn't go anywhere.

Thank you, you're right now it works fine