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Discussion in 'Detailing' started by Kealey, Apr 7, 2011.

  1. Kealey
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    [Apr 7, 2011]
    Just wondering does any of the detailers on here use wool pads for correction!?

    Make?
    Compound to use with them?

    Cheers lad
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    Hi Kealey,

    Are you currently using a rotary machine polisher, or, DA?! Silly question, but, ever used wool before?

    If you're aiming for 95%+ correction on some of the (typically) hard VAG stuff, really, you're going need wool to deliver the results (dependant on the severity of defects and paint thickness levels of course)

    I picked up the purple 'foamed wool' pad from PolishedBliss mid-February time and to be honest, it's been a life saver. With its aggressive (I'll rip your face-off) properties, care is needed when using it but it's so much nicer to use than 'grippy' and snatchy compounding pads (esp. on curved panels)

    Lake Country Wool Pads | Aggressive Cutting Pads For Use With Rotary Car Polishers

    The last time I used wool was for this mkiv R32.. (Only 30k miles on the clocks, but, a trip to the automated carwash everyweek!)

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    If you're comfortable with rotary polishing and want to explore the 'world of wool', defo look into the above Lake Country pads. They do the neat 'spot-pads' too... Example of spot-pad use on the R32 sill:

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    I've been using Menzerna 85RD 3.02 and 3M FastCut+ to work alongside wool - don't honestly the know the in's and the outs, so, here's hoping that John_PB will pick up where I left off... :)

    Jim
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    [Apr 7, 2011]
    Thanks very much! Jaysus that's some difference!!!! World or wool lol! Yea I use rotary and LC pads which are good but don't give 100% correction or what the wool does cheers mate, fantastic work btw
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    Wool's a funny pad to work with sometimes, there is a knack to it. It's very aggressive and it can be easy to leave pigtails behind which look horrendous and can take a bit of refining.

    You can usually correct 95%+ with LC Cyan and even DA on VAG paint if you use the right polish and technique but sometimes, especially when you're looking for correction on a tighter timescale, or if the car has a lot of heavy defects, wool can make a lot of difference.

    I recommend the purple foamed wool as they lint less and whilst they're more aggressive than the white wool, if you're at the stage of needing wool, the bit of extra bite is probably needed. Lake Country Wool Pads | Lake Country Car Care & Detailing Products

    Personally, I'm not a big fan of Fast Cut Plus, I find it very messy, it tends to need a lot of refining and it also suffers from a lot of drop back. I also find it tends to remove a lot of paint. It has its place, but I just prefer other polishes to it.

    Working with wool on VAG paint, I'd go with Wolf's Chemicals WP-6H Wolf's Chemicals Ceramic Cut Compound (WP-6H) | Wolf's Chemicals Car Care & Detailing Products or Menzerna Fast Gloss (currently out of stock though) Menzerna Fast Gloss (S500) | Menzerna Car Care & Detailing Products

    The Wolf's polish is excellent, well lubricated, low dust, a nice long work time if you need it; just a pleasant polish to work (like all the Wolf's polishes)

    To refine, you'll obviously have to judge yourself, but Menzerna 85RE Menzerna Super Finish (85RE) | Menzerna Car Care & Detailing Products is lovely to use as is the Wolf's finishing polish: Wolf's Chemicals Ultra Fine Polish (WP-1N) | Wolf's Chemicals Car Care & Detailing Products and the Fine Cut (a touch more bite to it) Wolf's Chemicals Fine Cut Polish (WP-2N) | Wolf's Chemicals Car Care & Detailing Products

    I tend to avoid Meguiar's 105 with wool except on composite panels, but 205 Meguiar's Ultra Finishing Polish (#205) | Meguiar's Car Care & Detailing Products on VAG paint, can finish quite nicely: it's non diminishing, but is pressure sensitive.

    I tend to refine via DA.

    :)
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    [Apr 7, 2011]
    Cool wud u opt for LC pads for refining??? Loads of ppl talking about the chemical guys hex pads, I do detail just trying to fine the opinions for the best results and time savers
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    I've tended to find even going from 3M cutting pads to the LC pads John has mentioned made a lot of difference on VAG and BMW pads. Granted it takes longer, but for personal use where I corrected the car in the evening over a few weeks the level of cut was sufficient.
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    Never tried the hex logic pads, but generally speaking I prefer a flat pad as opposed to one with any ridges or dimples in it. (Waffle-type ones, like the 3M ones, has a place as I find they run cooler which can sometimes be a benefit)

    I certainly prefer the current Lake Country Constant Pressure (flat) pads to the older CCS style ones.

    Lake Country Crimson should be fine to switch to for refining after wool but, as ever, depends excatly what you're dealing with.
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    [Apr 8, 2011]
    How do wool pads compare with the standard type? Are the benefits just the temperature of the panels when using wool?

    G
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    [Apr 8, 2011]
    must admit my wool pad(purple one fron LC) has saved me alot of time when ive done some cars, gets the deeper marks out alot easier than the normal CCS pads.

    i wouldnt be without my wool especially as the majority of cars we have done so far are VAG and we all know how hard the paint is on these
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    How wud u describe using it compared to the normal pad?? I've just ordered a couple thanks to ppls response!

    Still using the zenith technique bit shorts time taken?!?
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    Some very useful info in this thread :)

    I tried to correct my S3 with my DA last year but barely made an impact. Very tempted to have a crack at it again with a wool pad on a rotary.
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    [Apr 9, 2011]
    Well unless u know wat ur at offence, I wouldn't try a wool pad on a rotary! A DA is just a slower way of correcting tho won't get the correction that a rotary will!!! You should of got pretty decent results with a DA given the products and technique are correct!!! I gave the A3 a lick today using the chemical guys hex pads good pads tho clog too quick

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    [Apr 11, 2011]
    Wonder if Polished Bliss has anything to add about Wool pads? John??

    I have one but haven't used it yet and am wondering if I were to detail my car again this summer should I opt for the Wool?!

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    More cut, less temperature, but they raise their own set of issues: being so aggressive you need to know exactly how much paint you've got, you can be less aggressive with your polish choice if need be though. They can also pigtail badly if not used correcting: these marks can be very, very deep and a complete pain to remove: we've seen cars 'corrected' by others with a wool pad and it's scary how bad it can be if the wool's not used correctly.


    There's absolutely no reason why, with the correct pad and polish choice, and the right technique, a DA can't correct VAG paint.

    It seems to be a common misconception that a rotary is needed on these paints and it just isn't the case.

    I corrected my MK5 GTI 2 weekends ago (first time it's been machined by me so there were some scratches from its past life to remove and some swirling) and it was pretty rock hard, as expected. Lake Country Cyan pad with Menzerna RD3.02 (which isn't overly aggressive) did the job - it's a case of using the machine properly: that's not meant to sound big-headed, just that there's a knack to working the machine properly.

    It will take longer to correct with DA, rather than rotary, but in almost all cases, it will be possible, especially on factory VAG paint.

    Refining is often easier via DA too.

    I agree with the first point as I wouldn't recommend jumping in with wool but the second point I disagree with in almost all cases: see my reply above (correction will take longer but you should get almost identical results in almost all cases)

    Unless you have very deep marks, I would stick with a good quality foam pad like Lake Country Cyan. If you're not sure, feel free to email me through some photos of your car's paint under lights and I can advise as best I can.

    :)
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    Hi John,

    Thanks for the advice, I had damn good go at the car last year using Menzerna 3.02 on Menzerna pads. I watched all the guides I could and I have experience of using polishers in the past so I don't feel its just down to lack of talent haha

    I spend a good while on each panel and it had very and I mean very little effect! Now I don't know if this is down to the paint itself, the car is a special order Merlin Purple and I have read a couple of detail write ups that have said that this paticular paint / colour is rock solid.

    I'm certainly willing to give the Lake Country Cyan pad a go, what would you recommend for finishing / refining once corrected with that?
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