[ QUOTE ] Ryanc said: A mitsubishi evo 4+ would destroy a honda integra round a track and you wouldn't even need to be that good a driver. [/ QUOTE ] I dissagree... I had an Integre Type-R and on trackdays I've done the ITR was fractions of a second slower than Evo 4s and 5s...and Impreza STIs etc... It was quicker than a Carrera 2... This was in the dry, I admit...on wet trackdays, it was still less than a second - at the absolute worst - slower than the above 4wd cars. With sticky tyres on, I was lapping Knockhill consistantly quicker than the Imprezas, most of the Evos, Elises etc (one Elise driver pulled off as he couldn't handle the indignity of being passed by an ITR)...I struggled with the 968CS of slicks though! The ITR is not a particulatly fast car...but it's at home on a track...and it shines. I would still be quicker rounnd Knockhill in my ITR than any car I've owned since. For the record, my old Manager was at the same trackdays in his Series 1 996 GT3 - he was 2 seconds a lap faster.