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Why do we bother...oh yes that's why

Discussion in 'RS3 Forum' started by MBK, Feb 1, 2013.

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    Every once in a while I get to wondering why I own a 340bhp car capable of 60 in a smidge over 4 seconds and way more than double the speed limit. First there is the daily traffic, frankly some zero tax 60mpg ultra sensible ecotrolley would be more useful on most weekday commutes. Add to that some of the worrying stories posted on here like seats & wheels being targeted and even cars being stolen at knifepoint you do start to question the sanity of it all. Best not to mention squeaks either…

    A deep bass growl becomes a roar as the road opens up and there isn’t a car in sight for miles. The familiar whuuummppp as you rip through another gear and suddenly I remember why it’s all worth it. In full RS3 weather, rain and plenty of standing water, along challenging mid Wales roads I didn’t see another car for almost 10 whole miles. Ten miles of pure exhilaration lay ahead, using all the performance, traction, grip and stopping power available to make seriously rapid progress.

    I know these roads well and have driven them in a multitude of performance cars and nothing in my experience comes close to the on road ability of the RS3 in the wet. Fast sweeping corners were today’s real highlight, an ever tightening lefthander pinning me against the shoulder of the bucket seat, the RS3 seeming to dare me to press the throttle harder and push toward the limit of adhesion. Now I realise the need to recalibrate my senses, my perception rather than the grip available was the limit there. Push even faster around the next sweeper and there is even more grip to be found. Even if I could cover the ground quicker than I was today I’m not sure I want or need to.

    Not once did I think “what I need is a bit more power”, there is plenty of grunt to bring the rear of the car into play if you really must but on road that isn’t my idea of fun. The RS3 has more than enough power to make you concentrate, to plan, read and think through the road ahead. Just how long can I keep the throttle pinned before that next corner? How much speed can I carry over that crest? Will it stop in time? The answer to the last is yes. The brakes are faultless – (and entirely squeak free) – and this is as testing as any road route gets. Coming over a blind crest, the front wheels lifting slightly, the next downhill section is a tester, a tractor has strewn mud tyre tread tracks down the road into a 50 degree left hand bend. I need to lose some speed and the ABS starts to chatter over the muddy road, turn in and there is plenty of grip, throttle on and fire through, mud clanging in the arches.

    After twists and turn the road open out, no traffic and even the sheep are hiding from the rain. One of those rare moments when I can finally deploy everything the RS3 has to offer, it’s an eye widening ride. It’s on roads like this you realise how well the RS3 flows, it rewards fast progress, standing water is shrugged off, any meandering traffic is despatched with ease while the cornering confidence is awe inspiring.

    So as my RS3 sat on my drive ticking, hissing and giving off the aroma of hot oil and exhaust gasses I just noticed how almost 1 year on I’m still enjoying the experience and can still find nothing to fault. Although this is far from a problem, and a topic for another post sometime, I think the RS3 might be almost too good, some cars might do one or 2 things better but I have no idea what could do everything so well.
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    nice little write up there, i know the exact feeling, imagine 6 or 7 highly tuned evo's on the buttertubs pass on a crisp, frost free sunday morning without another car in sight, HEAVEN!!!!!
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    [Feb 2, 2013]
    Excellent write up MBK but I dare you to do the same road in a B7 RS4. Whilst the 5 pot is unique and the up and down changing addictive, DRC and a V8 screaming to 8250rpm with throttle lift-offs and clutch engagement inducing exhaust burble and popping just adds to the thrill of the piece of road you are driving. Some examples;

    [video]http://s18.beta.photobucket.com/user/GSCollie/media/2011%20RS/P1000480.mp4.html[/video]

    [video]http://s18.beta.photobucket.com/user/GSCollie/media/2011%20RS/P1000484.mp4.html[/video]


    The only time I feel the need for extra grunt in the 3 is not through the bends but minimising the time on the straight bits between the bends, just feels it could do with a little more.
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    Nice write up ... if only my drives were more like this !

    There's always too much traffic round here in Leeds !
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    I agree with you P_G -shades of greatness both cars. I was lucky enough to borrow a B7 RS4 for a couple of days back in 2007 and drive along these very roads. The RS4 was brilliant and I was so close to a deal on one but I liked my trackdays back then and I bought an Evo 360 instead!
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    [Feb 2, 2013]
    is there a big difference in performane between the evo360 & rs3?
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    I hope it have a non-res valved exhaust on it and GruppeM just to add to the experience!
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    Sadly it was just a standard one they were quite rare back then! I think the 6 month wait was one of reasons I didn't buy in the end. Yours sounds fantastic, unquestionably one of the great cars - one that got away for me.
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    Yes quite a bit but as always that depends on the criteria you measure. The Evo is a great car, a real beast and scared me silly on a wet Cadwell Park trackday. Here's my take on performance between the two.

    Despite the Evo having 266 bhp/ton and the RS3 'only' 216 bhp/ton the 0-60 and 0-100 times are close both in terms of published figures (Evo 3.9s, RS3 4.4s) and the best real world figures (Evo 4.1s, RS3 4.1s) I've seen on my PerformanceBox. Even that doesn't tell the whole story because the Evo needed almost perfect conditions, real balance with the clutch and a certain lack of regard for mechanical sympathy to achieve those times. I know many Evo owners have moments worrying about the new noises that the transmission makes after a hard track day or launches. A new noise usually meant a bill coming along the way (I suspect this would be similar in an RS used in the same way). In the RS3 you get the same consistent launch every time and I think it's closer to my real world 4s than Audi's figures but I think we all know that's spin for it's big brothers sake.

    The Evo 360 0-100 was just over 10s, the RS3 is slightly under with 9.7s (9.9s published) the best I've seen. Once the Evo was mapped to 400bhp the 0-100 time was under just under 10s. I can only assume the s-tronic box makes up a huge amount of the performance of the RS4. With a 50bhp/ton disadvantage it has to be the quicker changes that are making the difference - maybe more modern tyres and traction play some part but surely most is the lightning quick shifts.

    If you add handling to the mix they are chalk and cheese. The Evo is edgy and rear biased, it wants you to bring the rear into play. In the wet it could be a bit too lively for my liking - great on track but just a little unnerving on road. The Evo really liked to be pointed at an apex, plant the throttle, feel the rear rotate a few degrees before all the electronics collected everything up and catapulted you forward once more. It took some getting used to, keeping your foot in against all natural instinct was the order of the day. On track with sticky Yoko A048's howling through every corner it was a massive amount of fun.

    The RS3 handling is all about grip. Where the Evo's bias at the limit of grip was assuredly oversteer the RS3 is set for understeer. The RS3 is utterly predictable, you know how it will react up to and beyond the limit and that makes it better on road for me, especially in the wet. Add in the additional concentration you can give to the road courtesy of the s-tronic magic and I think the RS3 has an on road advantage for the average driver. The truly gifted might extract more from the Evo but I'm not one of them.

    Braking performance in both is similar - awesome - which is a good thing!

    Away from performance I think it's fair to say there is quite a difference in image! The Evo was a compromise, you had to be willing to put up with rock hard suspension, appalling MPG (teens at best, single figures on track), 6 month servicing and it's fettish for frequent new rubber. I kept mine in the garage for weekends and track days and used another car to commute. On the upside it was a rocket ship with a warranty for less than £35k that would keep the RS4 honest.

    The RS3 has all the performance with none of the downsides and that, to me, is it's genius.
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    cheers for the info mate..just wanted to compare the two as my inlaw had a evo360 & it was bloody quick but even it had only 5000miles on the clock he kept on having problems with suspension knocking,clutch etc etc..
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    [Feb 4, 2013]
    Great write up MBK.

    Did you get new tyres after?? And what about a miltek, I remember you were keen a few months ago?
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    I didn't get round to the Miltek, I'm keeping my pennies for whatever track toy I decide on next.

    Still on Conti's at the moment, picked up a front pair at a good price. I will be switching over to a set of Super Sports when the weather picks up, I've got to see if they are as good as the reviews say, which probably means a day at the track too.
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    nice write up mbk . i to am a previous fq 360 owner and by far the fastest car i have ever owned as a standard car . mine destroyed rs4 b7s no problem . hated it has a everyday car tho rock hard ride and to loud no matter what exhaust i tried . but against any car i ever came up against i always felt confident i would win and always did . the handling was great but with all the active diffs and yaw control i never felt it was me keeping the car in check . after 12 months of ownership and it costing me ten grand in parts and servicing i moved it on with a massive loss . glad ive had one but would not own one again . i can see the rs3 being a great all rounder with the power to match .
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