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Why didnt audi gear it so you could do 60 in 2nd?

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    [Mar 16, 2005]
    Hey
    i was thinking about it today, a few golf R32 owners in know had the rev limit raised so they could do 60 in 2nd, thus saving a gear change to 60.
    i can get to about 57/58mph indicated in 2nd which is close!

    I have done 70mph in 2nd gear in the new golf GTI!
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    /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/swear.gif innit?!

    My M3 did nearly 80 in second - what revs where you doing to get 58? If you have the big turbo kit then I think they raise the rev limit to 7200 - That might do it.

    This was also the reason that a Saxo VTR was quicker than a Pug 206 GTI - the saxo had a longer second gear. Remember it 0-62(100kmh) not 60 so you have another 4mph to get!
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    doesnt bother me. id rather keep the stock rev limit.

    peak power and torque occur well below it anyway.
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    My ZX-6R will do over 60 in 1st!

    TBH, the only reason manufacturers feck about with the gearing on cars so they'll do 60 in second is to get decent 0-60 stats out of otherwise mediocre cars. 0-60 stats are worth sod all, especially if the driveability of the car's been compromised by dodgy gearing. Hence a lot of Pugs & Renaults look good on paper but aren't that fast in real life.

    My 2 penneth!
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    [Mar 17, 2005]
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    My ZX-6R will do over 60 in 1st!

    TBH, the only reason manufacturers feck about with the gearing on cars so they'll do 60 in second is to get decent 0-60 stats out of otherwise mediocre cars. 0-60 stats are worth sod all, especially if the driveability of the car's been compromised by dodgy gearing. Hence a lot of Pugs & Renaults look good on paper but aren't that fast in real life.

    My 2 penneth!

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    Exactly, we're all obsessed with the 0-60 times as magazines publish it and it's a reflection of performance. The S3 can't hit 60 in 2nd gear, but it does have a respectable 0-100 time IMO.
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    [Mar 17, 2005]
    I can quite happily do 60 in 2nd in my standard 1.8T?
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    I can quite happily do 60 in 2nd in my standard 1.8T?

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    has it got 5 gears?
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    [Mar 17, 2005]
    The 5-speed 1.8T 'boxes will do 60mph in 2nd no problem, and about 95mph in 3rd /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

    Having had a 5-speed 1.8T for 60k miles, and swapping for this 6-speed 1.8T, I know which I prefer...

    The 5-speed box is WAY too tall, especially in 3rd. The 6-speed may compromise 0-60 times, but it's an awful lot faster out on the road.

    Top gear on both 'boxes seems pretty similar, maybe 6th is a tiny bit taller. Just shows you how much shorter the gears are, and hence how much better accel through the gears is.

    Good on VAG for setting the 6-speed ratios properly, rather than giving in to the Pug philosophy like Timbo says! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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    I agree, why tailor the box for good 0-62 stats. When was the last time you actually raced from standstill to 62?

    BTW one of my first cars was a pug 205 1.9 GTi back in the day. It used to be awesome off the mark but only used to do 115 - 120 flat out, which is pretty much achievable by most standard cars now.
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    If you ever compare performance times with a Imprezza in magazines like autocar you'l notice that the S3 has a huge advantage in the 30 - 50, 50-70 times etc.

    I guess this is down to the way the gearbox is configured..

    I'd rather have the performance here than 0-60.

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    If you ever compare performance times with a Imprezza in magazines like autocar you'l notice that the S3 has a huge advantage in the 30 - 50, 50-70 times etc.

    I guess this is down to the way the gearbox is configured..

    I'd rather have the performance here than 0-60.

    Rich.

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    Me too!
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    Considering that we have to change gear before hitting 60 i dont think the times are to bad and as above i prefer the mid range rather than the short dash.
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    Agree with all of the above, but it does annoy me sometimes how short the gearing is. especially 2nd. Not that often mind, but still don't really see why it as that short when compared to Golfs etc.
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    This was evident for me the other day.

    I had a sporty looking Citroen behind me (C3? not sure, not a Saxo or AX). Traffic was heavy and we were going slowly but as we joined a dual carriage way we both floored it.

    I only made a slight gain on him to start with but once I was in 3rd and beyond he faded fast and was a distant spot in my mirror!

    Beautiful!
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    My ZX-6R will do over 60 in 1st!

    TBH, the only reason manufacturers feck about with the gearing on cars so they'll do 60 in second is to get decent 0-60 stats out of otherwise mediocre cars. 0-60 stats are worth sod all, especially if the driveability of the car's been compromised by dodgy gearing. Hence a lot of Pugs & Renaults look good on paper but aren't that fast in real life.

    My 2 penneth!

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    Lol, my GSXR1000 does 93 in 1st and 121 in second! A different world of speed!
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    The cars setup for overtaking and having the power around tight corners, hence you'd be complaining more if the car gearing wasn't setup as it is.

    To be honest anyway 0-60 isn't something you want to be attempting in a four wheel drive car that often.
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    The cars setup for overtaking and having the power around tight corners, hence you'd be complaining more if the car gearing wasn't setup as it is.

    To be honest anyway 0-60 isn't something you want to be attempting in a four wheel drive car that often.

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    Why?
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    My ZX-6R will do over 60 in 1st!

    TBH, the only reason manufacturers feck about with the gearing on cars so they'll do 60 in second is to get decent 0-60 stats out of otherwise mediocre cars. 0-60 stats are worth sod all, especially if the driveability of the car's been compromised by dodgy gearing. Hence a lot of Pugs & Renaults look good on paper but aren't that fast in real life.

    My 2 penneth!

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    Lol, my GSXR1000 does 93 in 1st and 121 in second! A different world of speed!

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    No idea what the ZX-6R will actually do in 1st, just know it's more than 60! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif

    You're too right it's a different world of speed - with me on the bike the power/weight ratio is about 420bhp/ton. The GSXR would be nearer 600bhp/ton!!
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    Yeah, it is nearly 1000bph/ton by its self!
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    The cars setup for overtaking and having the power around tight corners, hence you'd be complaining more if the car gearing wasn't setup as it is.

    To be honest anyway 0-60 isn't something you want to be attempting in a four wheel drive car that often.

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    Why?

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    If you're really trying (like dumping the clutch at 5K rpm) it puts a lot of strain on the car all at once. In fwd cars the front tyres will break traction which takes a bit of strain off the drivetrain, but 4wd cars have a lot more grip so you're less likely to break traction and the strain goes through the clutch & haldex instead. So if you do it on a regular basis don't expect the clutch to last and keep your fingers crossed about the haldex!

    N.B. This only applies to insane launches, so if you launch relatively sedately then accellerate hard everything should be fine I would have thought.
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    More or less what Timbo said. You'll find that 4WD cars put a load more strain on the clutch that a 2WD drive car. So if you don't want to burn your clutch out get your car rolling before putting full power down.
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    [Mar 26, 2005]
    I think the S3 revvs to mutch on the 6:th gear. It's really annoying when driving long distances in 150-170km/h. Also, I think it would go faster with a lower gear-ratio, it feels like the lack of power near the top-speed (approx 238;) is due to the near redline rpm. I want a seventh gear!
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    Yeah, it is nearly 1000bph/ton by its self!

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    My radio controlled car has about 1200 bhp/ton.... engined produces 3.5@33,000rpm (yes, that's 33 thousand) and screams like a firework when you nail it.......

    Should do an estimated 0-60 in about 2sec. (Estimated cos its only geared for 50 with the present setup.)


    Havent had it running for a few years now though.... where's the keys to the lockup.....
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    i have noticed the same thing on my 1.8TQ, 6th gear isnt all that comfortable all the motorway considering thats one of the reasons they added it..
    my nitro car is geared for 70mph and does hit 60 in 2 seconds :p
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    [Mar 27, 2005]
    7 speed boxes are already out..
    Thats a cool rc vid dani lol.
    Even though you may say it is the same as fifth i believe it is slightly longer than fifth gear is on the 5 speed boxes. i personally think the revs are too high when sitting at 90ish miles per hour.
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    i personally think the revs are too high when sitting at 90ish miles per hour.

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    but as there arn't many private roads in the UK where you can just 'sit' at 90mph it shouldn't be too much of an issue LOL.... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh_roll.gif

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    I'm not realy bother about doing the 60 in 2nd.

    By the time most people are approaching 60, Im already in 3rd and on my way through the 70s!!

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    What's the gearing on a 6 speed s3 then? mine is 1999 model.

    My first six speed car and I keep getting it wrong. picking 2nd instead of 3rd etc etc......
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    110mph in 3rd in a de-cat VR6 is something special!!

    i like 6th gear on the S3, still has enough power to get you going when you need to and isnt engine screaming revs at cruise speed.
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    Final drive ratio on 5 and 6 speed A3 1.8T boxes are the same.
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    I've got a 5 speed but I've found it eats through the revs quickly, sometimes its nice when getting away from lunatics but when on the motorway id like a longer final gearing then again I do like having the power to just overtake safely without building up momentum behind the car im overtaking, not sure what the numbers are but i'd be interested.
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