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Wheel spining my S3

ron burgandy Nov 2, 2013

  1. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    I can't understand why my s3 would wheel spin from the front wheels. Esp in the wet surly the whole idea of a Quattro is so the wheels don't spin.
    I know it's not a full time Quattro system but surly that's when it should kick in?

    any thoughts or ideas
     
  2. S3_Jacko

    S3_Jacko Well-Known Member

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    Mine doesnt spin at all in the wet mate... So my initial thoughts are theres something not quite right with your car or poor tyres..
     
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  3. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    Michelin ps3 with about 6mm left all round so that can't be it, I am running stg1 remap may be have something to do with it
     
  4. S3_Jacko

    S3_Jacko Well-Known Member

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    Possibly buddy... I'm getting mine done in a couple of weeks... Excited!

    What map did you go with?
     
  5. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    Mine was a full custom remap done on a four wheel rolling road done by viezu
     
  6. S3_Jacko

    S3_Jacko Well-Known Member

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    Ahh... I've heard they are better they 1's but its trying to find somewhere that does them I suppose... How long you had it, and have you had any problems with your clutch?
     
  7. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    Had it done when it was 9 months old and no problems whatsoever with it
     
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  8. Dean_T

    Dean_T Active Member

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    Can you feel the back end kick in at any point?

    Just thinking you may have a haldex issue....?

    How badly are the fronts spinning, little/lots?
     
  9. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    no can't feel back end kick in, I was stuck on a hill back in the summer in a load of gravel, and I honestly could not move as the front wheels were just spinning

    I get a lot of spinning to the point where it kinda bounces and shudders
     
  10. Dean_T

    Dean_T Active Member

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    I think you need to get vagcom hooked up to your car fella, something is definitely not right.
     
  11. bmh.01

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    Something isn't right haldex wise, wet traction should be pretty much absolute. The only time i've ever managed wheelspin was in snow and that was all 4 wheels.
     
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  12. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    I did take it into audi this time last year with this complaint and they checked it out and came back with a a clean bill of health but I just can't help think there's so etching not right
     
  13. Broken Byzan

    Broken Byzan Photographic Moderator Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User quattro Audi A4

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    your haldex aint working by the sounds. Hook it up to VCDS and see if you can talk to the haldex unit
     
  14. Adz85

    Adz85 New Member

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    What year is it? I think the older ones had a fuse in the system, which if you pulled it out (or if it blew) the car would only send power to the front wheels . The newer ones are a bit more complicated than that though!
     
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  15. Rhyso

    Rhyso Well-Known Member VCDS Map User

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    My mate has just had the same issue. Came up with an intermittent fault on the hydraulic pump but the garage thought it was more than likely the Haldex itself was at fault.......with the map on it would spin all the way through 2nd gear. We put it back to standard and it wasnt so bad.....

    he just changed it for a B8 A4 lol. Trader beware!! Lol
     
  16. MartayMcFly

    MartayMcFly Booooooost Regional Rep VCDS Map User Gold Supporter

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    The fronts should only spin if the rears are too (for example, on sheet ice or wet grass). If you can get them to do anything more than a wee chirp before the back starts pushing then you've got an issue. Sounds like it might just be loose/blown haldex fuse.

    Normal operation of the 4wd is that you#re aware of the rear coming in to play, but you shouldn't even notice the fronts start to slip before it does.
     
  17. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    Checked fuses all are ok back to audi tomorrow then. They always make me feel there's nothing wrong and that I'm bothering them. But there checking it out again from what I've been reading its a good chance it's the haldex pre charge pump. So I'll mention that and see what they say
     
  18. Dean_T

    Dean_T Active Member

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    Is there nowhere else you can take it?

    Where abouts are you based, maybe there is a specialist near by?

    I stopped taking my cars to main dealers as they were useless and expensive with it.
     
  19. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    its still under warranty for two and a half months at least
     
  20. Artimus

    Artimus Shortback

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    That'll probably be why they're fobbing you off then ...hoping the Warranty will run out before you realise there is something wrong.
     
  21. Gfermer

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    Something can't be right there mine never spins and I mean never thats one reason i bought it 😄
     
  22. Dean_T

    Dean_T Active Member

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    Then take it back and refuse to leave until it's fixed if they keep fobbing you off.

    Be firm but no swearing or threatening behaviour etc
     
  23. jimojameso

    jimojameso Active Member Team Nardo Section Mod Audi RS3 TTRS

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    Def faulty haldex. My stage 2+ S3 would not spin in the rain. :(
     
  24. veeeight

    veeeight I am a very pretty girl VCDS Map User Black Edition

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    My pre charge pump failed at 2 years and 10 months in.... replaced under warranty.

    No warning lights, just spun the front wheels, and when accelerating hard, if the front wheels hit a pothole or uneven bumps in the road, the steering wheel would "tug".

    The only other discernable symptom was that when the key was turned to the ignition position, you could not hear the haldex pre charge pump charge up to pressure - but this is fairly silent anyway, so unless you know how to differentiate this from the fuel pump, a VCDS scan will show the fault.
     
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    what fault scan code came up. I did take it for an oil change last month and they said at audi no faults came up
     
  26. veeeight

    veeeight I am a very pretty girl VCDS Map User Black Edition

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    1 Fault Found:
    00448 - Haldex Clutch Pump (V181)
    011 - Open Circuit - Intermittent
     
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  27. bigal23

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    I had this problem and it was the connector had broken slightly just needed new connector prong thing fitted
     
  28. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    Took it to audi and again the usual "it's seems to be running fine sir". If the s3 4x4 system doesn't work in wet conditions or on gravel then really when the f@&@ does it work. And is the point of it!

    is there anyone in the northwest with an audi s3 that I could go out in to see what there s does in a similiar situation?
     
  29. veeeight

    veeeight I am a very pretty girl VCDS Map User Black Edition

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    Where specifically are you
     
  30. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    in Blackpool

     
  31. ron burgandy

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    had the car scan by vcds today by Mike Foster, thanks again, and this is the fault that came up
    Address 22: AWD Labels: Redir Fail!
    Part No SW: 0BR 907 554 B HW: 0BR 907 554 B
    Component: Haldex 4Motion 3017
    Coding: 0000005
    Shop #: WSC 00000 000 00000
    VCID: 4482D8300784D73EF0B-8011

    1 Fault Found:
    00448 - Haldex Clutch Pump (V181)
    011 - Open Circuit
    Freeze Frame:
    Fault Status: 01101011
    Fault Priority: 3
    Fault Frequency: 1
    Reset counter: 168
    Mileage: 40167 km
    Time Indication: 0
    Date: 2013.11.12
    Time: 11:28:33

    so it looks like it needs a new pre charge pump!

    its going in to be looked at on fri at an audi main dealer so hopefully all sorted together with an engine mangement problem

    ill let you know how i get on
     
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  32. Jack_tdi

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    Surely the main dealer would of picked that up if its come up on a scan.....

    Tell them your going to see citizens advice once its fixed see what you can get out of them.... thats really bad customer service....
     
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  33. Staz

    Staz is a retronaut Staff Member Moderator VCDS Map User

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    No need for CAB, just take it back, show them the code and tell them you want it sorted. Then explain that you're not happy with them fobbing you off, as Dean said, be firm not rude.
     
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  34. veeeight

    veeeight I am a very pretty girl VCDS Map User Black Edition

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    Sounds like that particular dealership is not very good .....
     
  35. thebluefox

    thebluefox Active Member Team Sepang Audi S3

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    Yeah they should have spotted that...or told you about it when they did.

    The only times my fronts lose grip on their own is when pulling out of a specific t-junction with a loose-ish road surface, a little scrabble for grip and then the back kicks in and off I go.
     
  36. wuta3

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    Hope you get it resolved mate. I'd wrap the error code print out around my boot and shove it up their arse with a good kick.
     
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  37. ron burgandy

    ron burgandy Active Member

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    Audi phoned new today with an update and yes they have found that the haldex pump is faulty and are replacing now! Only after I vcds scanned it and took it in with a print out!
    now I took the audi in last year with the same fault and told there was no fault, now I'm thinking I've been driving it with this fault all this time because of there incompetence! And I will ve explaining this but my car is due it's first mot and it's fourth service due you think its worth asking to do this as complimentary as they have messed up so much in the last year
     
  38. Jack_tdi

    Jack_tdi Member

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    Worth a try what's to lose....
     
  39. Dean_T

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    I would be looking for that, yes.

    In effect you have had to prove what is wrong with the car for them to correct it.

    In all honesty I would look for somewhere else to do the work as they are coming off as incompetent!
     
  40. nluk100

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    Get what you can out of them and try a different dealership for warranty work. For everything else i.e. servicing, use a local VAG specialist.
     
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