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What's needed for stage 3 on s3 8p

katenick Jul 17, 2013

  1. katenick

    katenick New Member

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    Hi guys I'm stage 2 plus already just wondering what's need for stage 3 ??

    any help would be appreciated !

    thanks nick
     
  2. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Have a read through my build thread and that will give you a stage by stage breakdown of what's required and a rough idea of costs.

    It's a bit if a read but if you have any questions I'm happy to help.

    As a starter you will need a big turbo kit which will run to £5-7k and you need to ensure you've done the brakes and suspension first.
     
  3. coreythorny

    coreythorny Active Member

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    unless he means Shark stage 3 which is stage 2+
     
  4. Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev.

    Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. Site Sponsor Site Sponsor

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    After stage 2, the whole stage thing is clutching at straws. What do you want from your car is the question? My next ugrade would be larger injectors and a Loba 400 turbo,

    Rick
     
  5. katenick

    katenick New Member

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    Would like to see 400 if poss ?
     
  6. Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev.

    Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. Site Sponsor Site Sponsor

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    Then you need the turbo and injectors :)

    Rick
     
  7. katenick

    katenick New Member

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    Is that it ? No need to forge it ? Any recommendation on turbo ? Also what injectors and who to map ?
     
  8. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    No need for forged internals up to around 440lbs torque.

    Loba is good for around 400-440bhp

    GTX2876 is good for around 440-480bhp and anything else you need a lot of work and you'll see anywhere up to 500bhp+.

    Mapping....I used Revo but APR and GIAC also map to this level although with APR you will need their kit,and Rick,Shark and others may do as well.

    Have a trawl through my thread and any other BT threads here and be sure to choose someone who knows what they're doing.
     
    Last edited: Jul 18, 2013
  9. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Nicely put.

    What its called doesn't matter,but what does matter is choosing the exact spec and what you require now,and in the future,as we all want more!

    The Loba is a very good 400+bhp choice,but if you eventually want more,it would be limited,but it will take you as far as you can go without an engine rebuild.
     
  10. nluk100

    nluk100 Well-Known Member

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    Just to clarify for the OP, there is a LO400 and a LO4xx turbo by Loba - the second one requires injectors and can make upwards of 400 depending on other components. The LO400 is a rework of the std K04 and can just about make 400 but has a better spool than OEM. Depends what you want, power or drivability. Alex, where does the torque peak on your turbo?
     
  11. Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev.

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    For a genuine 400 you need injectors unless you want to run it at lambda 0.95 which isn't a good idea for road engine that you want to last!

    Unless you are going to pull it apart, I'd go for the L0400 turbo. It needs a lot of mapping time to get spot on, which we are very capable of doing.

    Rick
     
  12. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Peak torque on mine is around 4000 rpm if I remember and pretty flat to over 6000.
     
  13. katenick

    katenick New Member

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    Where can I get a turbo and injectors from. ?
     
  14. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Depends on where you are in the country for who you'd choose.

    You need a good tuner who knows what he's doing as this isn't exactly a plug and play type of job.

    If it isn't done properly you can end up with a scrapped engine.
     
  15. RedDejavu

    RedDejavu Well-Known Member

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    I'm considering going stage 3 next year. However only looking to get it up to 420-430. Is the Loba turbo going to be enough and fairly hassle free to fit? Will I need to upgrade dsg clutch too or only remap it?
     
  16. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    The LO4xx would certainly get you that sort of power.

    It's a relatively easy fit compared to something like mine but as Rick says it needs careful mapping.

    The DSG will need mapping for the extra torque but generally you do not need an uprated clutch pack until you go beyond 440lbs torque
     
  17. RedDejavu

    RedDejavu Well-Known Member

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    Perfect is revo software capable to work with this type of turbo?
     
  18. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Best to contact Revo Kev for that.
     
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  20. Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev.

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    I can supply the turbo, injectors either second hand or get them from Audi/TPS.

    Rick
     
  21. katenick

    katenick New Member

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    great stuff. Can you pm me a price both new and second for turbo and injectors please. Plus is this turbo and injectors off another Audi model ?
     
  22. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    The injectors are from the RS4..... Higher flow max than the S3 injectors although some are using Golf R injectors also.

    Loba turbos are very well made hybrid type turbos and offer a much higher flow than the stock turbo.
     
  23. Rob s3 stage 1

    Rob s3 stage 1 New Member

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    Hi
    What is roughly the cost of doing a stage 3 with all the parts etc...
    Cheers
     
  24. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Ok.

    Up to around 440lbs you don't need to uprate the internals so you would need the turbo plus injectors and software plus fitting etc.

    You could probably do this for around £4K or maybe a bit less but the APR kit is significantly more.

    Above that you need a lot more work including internals and you would be looking to at least double the costs to get to 500bhp.

    The costs then start to really go up.

    What I'd advise is working out what power you want and a budget first.
     
  25. Rob s3 stage 1

    Rob s3 stage 1 New Member

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    Cheers for getting back.
    I'm happy with around 350bhp
    Which shark say they do.
    I'm waiting for a quote from them.
    If I want that sort of power what do you think roughly I would need and what cost.

    Clutch. Fuel pump intake??
    Cheers.
     
  26. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    No problems.

    You wouldn't have problems with the DSG box but would likely need a software revision and a manual clutch would give up.

    Fuel pump and CAI yes.
     
  27. Rob s3 stage 1

    Rob s3 stage 1 New Member

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    Cheers pal

    Appreciated
     
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  28. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Ahhh...just remembered....Shark's Stg 3 is equivalent to Revo Stg2+,i.e. HPFP,CAI and exhaust.

    They all call the same bhp/hardware /software requirements different things....LOL.
     
  29. Rob s3 stage 1

    Rob s3 stage 1 New Member

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    Thanks for the info mate
     
  30. Rob s3 stage 1

    Rob s3 stage 1 New Member

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    What is best revo 2+ or shark 3?
     
  31. Sayam

    Sayam Well-Known Member VCDS Map User

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    Custom mapped 2+
     
  32. Rob s3 stage 1

    Rob s3 stage 1 New Member

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    I'm hearing shark stage 3 from others.
    It's confusing.
     
  33. Smirky

    Smirky Well-Known Member

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    U can chuck superchips into the mix for what they call stage 3 stage 2+ really ,could also go down the tte420 route good for what 425hp?? Such a shame your so far north Rick !
     
  34. Rob s3 stage 1

    Rob s3 stage 1 New Member

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    Hi
    I'm happy with roughly 350 bhp which is what shark st 3 and revo st 2+ are.
    So hopefully just fuel pump clutch exhaust and intake needed for upgrade.
     
  35. Sayam

    Sayam Well-Known Member VCDS Map User

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    If my understand of Revo/Shark maps is correct then how can it possibly be better to take a generic or half generic map over one written to your car from scratch by someone like @Rick @ Unicorn Motor Dev. or @Paul @ Unit 9 Remaps ?
     
  36. Samsellars

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    What are TTE like?
     
  37. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    My own experience of this has been that the generic maps are good and can be tailored to some degree in terms of boost and timing etc but if you want something more to your requirements or more features then a custom map is the way to go.

    Before going completely off piste I was very keen on Revo software which had served me well for some time but the scope of what is offered by the likes of Rick et al is much wider and a completely configurable solution like the Syvecs is a step again on even that.
     
  38. Sayam

    Sayam Well-Known Member VCDS Map User

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    Fair enough Alex..experience is greater than my shakey understanding lol.

    I just can't help but feel why would you want to be dictated to regards which parts you need for what stage by an external company..
     
  39. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Getting very good feedback from several forum members.

    Simon at TTE is someone I personally trust and know and there are several customers here you can ask.
     
  40. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    It's more a matter of needing those parts such as HPFP,exhaust and intake regardless of which software you choose.
    A few will require you to use their own parts but that's easy to avoid.
     

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