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    hi guys

    right wondering if this is a cheap copy or well made, welds look good and wall thickness is 2mm, wants £100 for it.

    worth a go? thinking good for when i get a elim kit? thinking even if it cracks i can get it tigged any way, also what makes them crack? weight of the turbo? any way of supporting the turbo up to a manifold bolt?

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    cacky XP power one, the material is poor and thin walled, the welds are rubbish and barely penetrate, and normally the flange isn't flat either. Otherwise it's fine...

    No way it would stand up to an elim hanging off it, oh and if you do get it, DO NOT use the chocolate gaskets
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    ah ok, well ill get the atp one then, know its triple the price but its more then ten times the build quality and being cast

    unless we have any other options?
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    I have a chinese ATP clone from egay and at £99 per 2 yrs i can afford to replace it when it cracks. The cost of the mani doesn't guarantee it will be much better, as people have had expensive 034 manifolds cracking within weeks.

    If you don't mind doing the work yourself then give it go, just be aware it may not last forever.

    I went for the cast manifold because i felt it would handle the weight better, but 8l owners are having good results with the equivalent transverse engine car with decent gains
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    ok sounds good, ill have a look. so basicly this manifold may last but then it may not.
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    Bradderz_1988 Dont replace it, Upgrade it !!

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    Mines lasted about 10k and is a chinese/frankenturbo one.

    Apparently the BEX is larger than the stock manifold but again is around the £300 mark.

    Theres not a decent/crack proof manifold i can think off that takes a stock location turbo !!!
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    ah ok, so whats the view on a ported stock manifold.
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    Pointless, it cannot be ported enough to make any discernible difference

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    [Jun 22, 2012]
    Wasnt bill using a stock but ported K03 manifold on his 320hp lupo?
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    ​Ts is what I'm sure I read some were. Ported was good for 300 but get was on the high side​
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    [Jun 28, 2012]
    Werent you going to buy a big turbo in the other thread?
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    Yes but still got things to buy. Fmic. Exhaust system. Injectors, manifold, forge 007/8
    st2 clutch likley loghtened fly wheel. Hardened engine mounts and gear boxmounts. Repair or replace rear diff as with 300hp it wont last as theres slight play some were inside. Then oil lines and bigger tip and 3" maf housing. And of course the turbo, and remap. No forgetting fitting a race cat to the big turbo! So £80 isnt much in this lot. And likey be 6/7 months till its done, first things will be system and fmic, last things will be manifold and Turbo along with remap!
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    but anything you buy, needs to be able to fit a Garrett turbo, or you are just going to have to do it all again, and rebuy all your intercooler pipework, downpipe, manifold air intake when/if you do actually upgrade to a GT series
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    Ive bought a tip for now to fit the k03. Then yes ill buy the correct tip or make my own. Intercooler piping will be 2.5" so fine for the bt . That air filter is suited to flow up to a gt35. So im sure a smaller t3 will be fine.

    But you are right theres no point buying stuff that wont flow or fit the t3
    As for the down pipe itll be 3" decat and downpipe to 2.5" system Then when mot comes ill put cat back on. If i have bt by mot time ill be fitting a 100 or 200 cell cat. The t3 exhaust side will have a vband style fitting on to the cat the regular 3 bolt to downpipe just to make things easy turbo side.
    im looking for 300hp working for any more than that i may as well buy a scooby/skyline and build on that but for me around town to and from work i think 270/300 is way more then enough to put a suprised face on some peoples faces. Now i know 300 isnt alot compared tothe true potenial but i like to think 300 is a nice in the middle figure for power v drivabilty.
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    I believe your right, 300 is a nice figure. Also remember that while theres plenty S4's around with 350-400 and upwards, the TQS is a fair amount lighter than an S4 which will only help. You'll roughly get away with about 10% less power in a TQS than a similarly quick S4.

    Westys S3 ran a 13.2 second quarter mile at GTI, with 280hp and an aggressive map. A4 weighs a similar amount, so similar figures should be achievable, and a 13.2 isnt a shabby time at all!

    Just make sure you dont go buying anything turbo specific in the mean time, and that will minimise wasted money when the garret is fitted. Sure the manifold is only 80quid, but by the time you've bought it, bought a full set of gaskets etc, your half way to buying a very nice PSI concepts T3 manifold, not to mention the wasted time actually fitting it.
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    Im not buying a manifold . But did buy a tip
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    Well you can always sell that on later, or modify it to fit the garret!
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    Proberly sell ut on. As ill be using 3" hard piping from maf to turbo.
    On my air box ive got a sensor on top with two plugs. What will happen to that and best place to put it when i dont have te box any longer
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    Its not a sensor, its the ignition amplifier. Its bolted to a metal heatsink in the top of the airbox, if you do away with the airbox, then remove the heatsink from the airbox, and make a bracket to hold it onto the inner wing.
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    I just took the plate off the airbox, stuck that to the amp and just left it hanging under the filter. Never caused issues.
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    yeh that'll probably work, but **** just left dangling around looks a bit crappy, and puts undue stress on the wiring. better to have it mounted to something!
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    Yer ill mount it up. To the inner wing
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    Cant really see it down there tbh unless you look right in there. MAF is turned upside down too so it hasnt got the usual rubber bung and wiring hanging out the top. The wiring on the amp is pretty loose anyway so its not hanging the weight on tight thin wiring.

    It actually just rests on the chassis leg.

    From above its right under the filter so its not too unsightly.
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    fair enough. Most cone filter installs i've seen on A4's look a complete state!
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    Yeah i`ve seen quite a few on Zine and theres wires and pipes everywhere laying ontop of the filter and all sorts!

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    Thats not too bad, but the big metal strap looks a bit random. If you mounted the retaining bracket underneath it would be a lot neater.

    Also whats the massive rubber hose and the silver round thing doing?!
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    Yeah suppose I could relocate that. That's just a random intercooler pipe I found at work and used as a cold air feed lol.

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    Andy: i'll admit that looks good, but i simply couldnt justify spending that much money on something that doesnt make the car go, stop or handle better!
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    I agree i love the carbon box but dam expencive.

    Well a package turnt up.....

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    Sounds better, looks better and does it for me in a big way, granted it's way expensive but it's nice to treat ya self once in a while and buy something for the car out of choice rather than having to buy something for the car to fix it as in most cases lol.
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