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    [Mar 9, 2009]
    Hi,
    Ive just got my own place and im confused as to what size TV would work best there... its going to be about 8 and a half foot from where my head will be to where the screen will be. ( hope that makes sence)
    Ive been looking at a panasonic 37 inch LCD ( TX37LZD85 )

    Some people have said " get bigger "
    Is this always best?
    My budget is 800 MAX i just want the best i can ( doesnt everybody )

    Any thoughts people???

    Many thanks

    Paul
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    42" panasonic viera every time, although you may be a bit close, but you usually find after about a month youll be used to it and wish youd gone bigger.
    which ever size you decide you wont go wrong with a panasonic, but thats my opinion as im still not a fan of lcd yet and after several of each thats where my money goes.
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    37 is ok, but 40 would be best, but if you get a 42 with a thin bezel then this would be probably just as big as the 40.

    But 40 is probably IMHO best for that distance viewing, but go have a nosey in currys, dont buy from there as to rich, but gives ideas.

    I've had 22, 26, 32, 40, 42 & 46 in the last year or so & out of all sizes, I would say 40 is best.
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    [Mar 10, 2009]
    Paul 37,my mate lives in a bungalow with smallish rooms and got a 50 inch :keule:
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    you need 40 plus for viewing HD, in my opinion.
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    S3 Paul... I'm in exactly the same sort of situation as you at the mo, was looking last night in a few shops, I do like the plasma but it's either 37 of 42 inch or bigger which is a shame cause I'm thinking 40 inch...I wanted Sony originally but as samsung make most the parts that's what I think I'm going to get, a 40inch series 8 model :)
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    [Mar 11, 2009]
    if you sit too close to a big screen, it'll be like watching a game of tennis, you'll have to move youre head to catch all the action.

    I'm sure if you google it, you'll find a link that suggests optimal size screen relative to distance/room size.

    dont let the sales rep flog you one thats too big
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    That's right,there is an optimum ratio (sorry i can't remember what it is though!)

    I had a 50 inch Sony rear projection,that was fine 10 ft away,and bearing in mind current plasmas and lcd's produce a far superior image,you should be fine with a 42". I've got a Samsung 42" plasma now - I sit closer than i should,just because it's cosy near the radiator :sly:and i've moved into my girlfriends house which isn't an ideal set up - and it's fine,although i reckon i'd go LCD next time as there are less movement artefacts and they don't suffer as much from screen burn(don't get me wrong,it's a fantastic piece of kit!)and back to 50",simply because i really do miss that big screen!!
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    [Mar 11, 2009]
    I would say it depends on what you want if for, tv, cable, bluray, ps3? I would look at a 40''

    I have 2 Sony's and can't fault them, but they are top of range ones, so abit over your budget
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    Must be old tube trinitrons then mate cause Bravias are quite literally ****, even there new ZX1 is terrible image quality & saw in flesh, bloody ridiculously thin but maybe thats why images not grand, seen fair few of the Bravias with good feeds aswell just rubbish imaging, only one I thought was ok was a lesser model given they were all there to compare, the 200hz was terrible, only recent tv I've had that really did stand out above all others IMO & I've tested fair few recently is the 9 Series Samsung, has led backlights, this just makes the images alot smoother, but of course they only do 46/52 sizes so not for joe bloggs tbh as that large need to be sat back a bit to appreciate the picture quality, but after seeing number of top end ranges, most have terrible SD imaging anyway, seen some ok LG screens but problem usually is good SD means poor HD alot of time, although recent Toshiba I was using with the PS3 graphics chip was ok, only bad point for me was the cooling fan & with ears that tend to hear a dog whistle it does pain me to say had to go, lol
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    [Mar 12, 2009]
    my experience is different im afraid, I have a X3500 and a Z4600, both superb in every aspect. I have had Samsungs, Toshibas and Phillips lcd tvs and none where a patch on these 2 Sony's. I use them mainly for cable tv, dvds and blu ray, plus wii.

    The new Samsungs look very good and get good reviews, a friends just got one and ravs about it
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    [Mar 22, 2009]
    I dont use review sites, I actually test the sets in front of me, so can see the images for SD, HD & PC aswell as functionality
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    yeah, of course :lmfao:

    so to give ANY form advice to the OP on what TV to buy is pointless . The BEST/ONLY advice would have been to tell him to go and see/test for himself.

    How ironic that he is getting advice to buy a 40" or this or that brand TV on a car website?

    whathifi is also a magazine.
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    No, we can give opinions on what we have tested ourselves, but he's not stupid, he would go & test it for himself, I dont think he needs to be taught how to suck eggs does he, I dont need to walk him to a tv store & show him how to use a remote ffs, I gave opinions on all the sets I had actually seen & tested myself, not what I read in a magazine or website ahemmmm, are your comments based on what you've tested yourself or just from the internet???
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    the TVs you tested, where did you test them?
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    [Mar 22, 2009]
    In my front room mostly lol, ahh I do love the 7 day law of distance selling, lol, at tv stores with a pc, dvd player etc, I know where this is heading, eg. curry's feeds are *****, I do think a little more out of the box than that fella, lol, I've been down this road many times for flat screens over the years & taught me at least that, dont rely on the stores feeds, take something with you to test for yourself & given I use my screens for work & play I make the extra effort to get something that will be good for both.

    What I tend to do is check the manufacturers sites for new screens & read the specs which are tbh incorrect in some way anyway when you see them for yourself, then I read some reviews, then I check the forums for comments, then I actually have a shortlist of what screens I wanna check out & go find them from there & test, I also look at some I didnt list incase I'm pleasantly surprised, bottom line is if I'm gonna spend 1k on new screen I want it to be exactly what i want, need & expected, anything else not one of these is waste of money & time for me, reviews are ok but certainly dont base my purchase on a review tbh.

    Recently i sold a very good Toshiba latest model top of range cause it had a poxy fan in the panel, I switched from plasma to lcd cause of the plasma tinging you get & killed my hearing, now gotta waste time finding another new one, call me anal but I want a good image overall for all formats, SD, HD PC etc as I use them all at some stage.

    9 Series is the only screen thats given all 3 at a superior image, but as its only 46/52 sizes I had to get shot of the 46 as it really was to big, but what a screen it was, think there were only 2 screens with led backlighting in world, that for me would have been perfect at 40/42 size, but alas I dont have a mansion to have the larger one, lol

    I have to say the motionflow 200hz Bravia was pants when against a much lesser Bravia & with same feed & played with settings a bit.

    Have you seen the ZX1 Abdus, nice looking set really is lovely looking but image wise forget it.

    [​IMG]
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    ive just gone up to a 50" panasonic viera from the 42" viera and although im very pleased with it, its not as sharp as the 42", i guess its down to there being the same amount of lines etc and probably not far enough away from it.
    as for the coments on the toshiba NHN what noise are you talking about as the toshiba is a panasonic rebadged isnt it, at least they were.
    i agree with the coments on the sonys, i wasnt impressed at all, but i guess its down to the individual.
    i mainly run sky, ps3,blu-ray and my cctv through mine.
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    If i had the money..Pioneer Kuro PDP LX508D Highly regarded as the best Plasma you can buy. I bought the Tosh picture frame ZF when that came out as i wanted something that looked good as well, at the time and still now most LCD/Plasma TV's look ****, plasticy and ugly.
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    agreed S£,
    pioneer very nice, very good but VERY expensive.
    i think all the debates on here boils down to how deep your pockets are.
    its a case of whats the best you can get for your budget.
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    The older models were but the Z series range has the same SPVA Panels as the most recent and high end Sony & Samsung LCD's which were developed and are owned by them.

    The ZF is a very good TV along with the Sony KDL 40-W400 & Samsung series 8, personally i think these are the 3 best LCD's you can get at the moment, dont get me wrong the latest panasonic's also have a very good panel but i think they lack in the looks department where the other 3 don't, I cant see why eveyone else hasn't caught on to ther whole picture frame look yet, the size of the bezel on some are a joke, it's like your missus wearing big pants...Not attractive.

    One TV to look out for soon is the new Tosh ZF, it will be the first TV with a cell prosessor ( rumoured to be the same as the one in the PS3 ) which will upscale everything you put into it.
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    The ZX1 is very good looking but the pic quality didn't impress (i don't what the input was)

    Regarding TVs, I own a Bravia and i'm very much happy with it. It is a 40" one and I use it with my Popcorn, PS3, HDDVD feeding to a Sony STR820 and outputting via HDMI. The picture quality is excellent with any of these feeds. Even the Wii adn Xbox 360 (via component) look excellent. So, movies are only watched in HD or upscaling DVDs. Just to add, the TV has been calibrated to optimum viewing settings

    Only thing I watch in SD for now is SkySports and Baby TV( LOL). SkyHD for next season's footbal. Even for that I use a QED silver Ref scart. Not much to complain then...

    Soon going for a Kuro which for sure would be at least as good if not much much better.
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    [Mar 23, 2009]
    37" Full 1080p Samsungs are nice. I have one and have everything hooked up to it.

    PC
    PS3
    Sky HD

    Amazing TV and it wasn't expensive either. It's foolish to assume the bigger the better (lol in TV's) as most will tell you that unless you sit at the correct distance a bigger TV can actually look terrible unless you have the correct sized room to make the most out of it.

    If you want the best.....B & O by FAR, screw SONY they've lost the whole "monopoly on the market that once was! If you wanted a good TV back in the day SONY was the only way to go. NICAM and TRINITRON etc. These days it's different.

    Samsung screens are used to make the B & O stuff and if you've ever been to a B & O shop (few and far between) you'll know the difference when you look at one.

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    Mr G., who is talking about monopoly here? Let's look at it this way: Audi developped the quattro first. So now, there are other 4WD. Going by your logic, the quattro ain't good anymore then? At the time, Audi had the monopoly, same as Sony. That doesn't mean that when time has changed, Audi is ****, same goes for the Sony.

    And regarding B&O, let's start comparing a normal VW to a Veyron...both developped by VW...must be same parts being used? (just like samsung making B&O screens) what do you reckon? and the price tag?

    I'm off to buy this very soon:

    http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1237406140

    100,000 euros+VAT...B&O by FAR..yeah? Let's all go for the BEST.


    BTW, PC, PS3 and SkyHD isn't everything in AV...LOL
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    Bang do use Samsung panels but the rest of the set is all their own, but if you ask me a Bang TV is for a lifestyle, people who buy bang are usually very wealthy, and only buy them because they THINK they are the best, obviously they look good, well some of them, but there are better about, real audiophiles/AV geeks don't buy Bang they actually buy the best, rich fancy people that want something that looks good or has a trick up it sleeve buy Bang, along with thier music systems, don't get me wrong the TV's are good along with the music systems but they don't cut it high high end and espcially for the price.

    As for Sony you obviously don't know what your on about as they are still very much up there in the world of LCD, not so much plasma but defiantly LCD


    And yes PC, PS3 and SkyHD isn't everything in AV....you forgot the 360!!:)
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    [Mar 24, 2009]
    You mean the new ZV series mate thats been out for ages, not ZF, I've had the XF, ZF & the new ZV recently & it was not bad just an annoying fan in bachground, with ears that can hear dog whistles it pissed me of, the cell cpu was ok wasnt as great as advertised, the HD image was improved over previous but problem with all Tosh screens was on the grainy images with dark areas on HD, even the ZV wasnt totally gone, still grainy on a dark scene say dark grey/black areas, but better than before, if it wasnt for the damn fan I'd have kept it tbh as good size, the bezel was alot thicker than my previous picture frame XF/ZF ones, but could of lived with if wasnt for fan.
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    well id spend 400 quid on a 40 inch sammy
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    Ah i stand corrected! I didn't know it was out, It can't have been out ages though as i looked at Christmas time and couldn't find it.

    Was the fan really that bad??

    I had both the XF and ZF too, bought the XF on launch day and it suffered very bad backlight bleed so kept it 3 months then eventually sent it back and got the ZF when that came out, I don't think the ZF is too bad with the blacks, It did have a problem with the greens but that can be adjusted in the menus, If properly calibrated i find it very good, you can also get in to the engineers mantinace menu and adjust further to enhance the picture, there's a massive thread about the Z&XF on AV Fourms which i took part in, mostly from my backlight problems and then waiting for the ZF to come out.

    The only problem i find with the set is you can't save your settings for each input, so the calibration settings i got are always set for sky HD so the DVD/360 takes a hit.
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    Double post matey, delete one if you would be so kind.

    It came out literally few days before xmas, fan wasnt that bad for 99% of people but for me it was annoying, my mate who now has it says he cant hear it, lol

    Yeah I have to agree the XF & have to say ZF both had bleeding issues, but ZF was slightly better, but in all honesty the 100hz was ****, lol, most of the time had it turned of & ye totally pissed me of not being able to set per input specific settings, so damn annoying cause I had pc on one hdmi & the sky on another, had to keep swapping contrasts etc, one reason for getting shot of back to Tosh, but man do they look small with the thin bezel huh, 40inch screen never looked so small to me, but I did like the minimalistic look, shame they've gone bulky again, real shame.

    That forum is great for proper reviews & specific settings huh, although I tend to go see for myself but helps to actually get the truths about the screens cause review hype on most tv websites can be wrong, hdtvtest.co.uk was another but to slow to test new sets.
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    Mate LOL ffs get a grip & put your feckin handbag down.

    Why does this always come down to Audi, who the feck mentioned Audi here. Audi didn't have a monopoly at all, they had good ingredients for a good car with good drivers behind the wheel. Other makers soon follwed suit with 4WD and they were piched up against Audi in the WR.

    Its simple, Sony used to make outstanding Tv's at a good price. Now they make mediocre Tv's at a good price. Walk into any good AV store and look at the picture quality between a Sammy/LG/Sony the Sammy and LG are far better, and i might add are cheaper.

    The Bravia's aren't that good when compared to Tv's made by other manufacturers. Touched a nerve there did i??? Have a Sony by any chance lol?.

    B&O are not as you say the VEYRON of electronics ffs when we're talking a good few hundred quid for a TV these days whats a few K????

    I said the screens are used from Samsung in ref to B & O....i would imagine some of the DSP's and components are Sammy also. Including the Serene.....why re-invent the feckin wheel if someone else has already done it and done it well.

    Im sure we could all afford a stunning TV we'd all have them! I see no point in your sarcastic comments mate. Achieves absolutely nothing!

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    [Mar 24, 2009]
    Oh and BTW.....

    Some people can't afford ALL the luxury in life. I've a nice car, house, tv/hd setup, ps3, Canon DSLR, iphone, laptop, pc etc BUT that is ALL i can afford at the moment. So as for everything in AV it's what i have and have working with my setup!

    So thanks....


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    OK
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    hit a nerve? guess you are the one who doesn't seem too happy and :banghead:..LOL

    so you walk into a good AV store and judge the pic quality from what you see? :applaus:

    BTW, do you understand the meaning of analogy? it seems you didn't understand my post AT ALL...



    And stunning TV for me is not a B&O, far from that
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    [Mar 25, 2009]
    Thanks for Hi-jacking another thread......

    What is it with people here these days. Always got to turn a perfectly good arguement into personal vendetta's. I'm not an exception there and have said a few things out of line recently. For which i've already apologised for.

    However...

    Just for you Ad!

    The meaning which i'm fully conversant with, just in case you aren't!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Analogy

    If you'd care to look this one up for future reference also!!!

    http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/patronizing

    Looks like i'm mis-reading you and your posts i guess??

    To further expand on what i was trying to say in a short sentence, i don't walk into an AV shop and buy the first thing that looks like it's the best.

    I'm not going to be all anal and annorak here but things like:

    Dynamic Contrast Ratio?
    Resolution?
    Sound Output(RMS) ?
    Input & Output (HDMI etc)?
    100Hz?

    Those are to name but just a few! So as you can see there are others here which have a fair idea of whats good & bad with regards to TV equipment. If i don't know something i ask somone who i think would know and then further research it! So that i might understand better. I don't just spout off stuff i've no idea about (not saying you are btw). I've a fairly judgemental attitude about products and will only by what i've thought is good myself, nothing to do with media hype and the like. Call it an informed decision!

    A very silly statement. Here's why. I trust my eyes when i'm looking at the quality of something. If you do not then there's something very wrong here!

    Here's an anology:

    If an image is blocky, pixelated and has a fair amount of noise does that make it a good image? Well that would depend on what the image was and what you were using it for. Is it a bad image? Variables?!

    And another:

    Why is the Veyron so good? Why is it so expensive? Why are B&O also good, why do they command a price tag as such?? I've a fair idea why.

    A TV has but two "Primary" uses, to display moving/still images visually & also output the sound to accompany those images. The quality of those images/sounds depends on variables like (but not reliant on) for instance the above annorak list.

    A stunning TV for me is something which has a big visual impact on my senses. That would include sound also. So yes B&O does do it for me and ticks all the right boxes. Their design is second to none, the materials used to make the designs are also of superior quality, metals sometimes substitute plasitcs. Gotta love metal items, when it comes to consumer electronics, just feels and looks very solid. I dont have a B&O TV but would sure like one.

    Next time you are in town go look in your B&O AV outlet and tell me they aren't nice. But, make sure you get a full demo of the capabilities, don't judge it by what you think they look like!

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    [Mar 25, 2009]
    Tell me where in any of my posts in this thread I slated a brand or said it wasn't good? However, if you read through the thread, many gave their opinion and also said that this brand is ****, this one is not good etc and this one is better. My whole point here is someone stated that Sony isn't good and is terrible.

    I asked how were they terrible and quoted some highly recommended and well respected sources and posted the links.

    Now you come in and state that Sony are mediocre nowadays and you stated that Samsung is the best (obviously you have one) and they make screens for B&O which is the BEST TV one can buy, in your opinion.

    Since YOU brought the B&O thing in there, I actually tried to explain to you what I thought about B&O and that it cannot be compared to the readily available or affordable TVs on the market. I guess S£ actually got the point I was making when I took the Veyron and quattro as an example.

    Now regarding the AV stores and what you see there, take some time to read MHN post on how he tests his TV. Seeing some TVs in an AV store isn't the test if you actually want to compare.

    Do you know what the source/input is?
    Do you know what cabling is being used?
    DO you know how the outputs are being inputted tot he TVs? Scart? HDMI?Compnent?
    Do you know the specs of each cable being used?
    Do you know the specs of each TV and wthere they fall under the same category? (720p, 1080i, 1080p, 100Hz, 200Hz etc...)
    Do you know what settings are being used? Contrast, brightness, backlight etc...?
    Do you know if all the TVs have been calibrated to their optimum settings? (or just using standard factory settings)
    Do you know the environment/surrounding factors? (light from external sources, angles etc...)

    These are some of the factores to be considered. Then you can trust your eyes.

    One, imo, CANNOT judge/test a TV in an AV stores where there are tens of TVS being played.

    Instead of being on the defensive, which I think you are, judging by the way you posted before, it would have been better if you took some time and also agree that we do not and cannot know everything. SOmetimes, there are people out there who might know better.

    And regarding B&O, of course they are beautiful and sleek. Would I own one? Maybe. But that ould be ONLY after I've properly set up my proper Home Cinema and want another TV to show visitors.

    Thanks
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    Fair point. I'm not stating i know everything i never have done. If i dont know i'd ask someone who does. Maybe i'd then research it lots more and find a happy medium of understanding what it is and what it does, how it works etc.

    I'm a complete novice when it comes to AV stuff. There are experts and they are in jobs which require this knowledge or have a big obsession/passion for all that is AV. I dont mine is detailing, but i like quality and therefore trust my eyes when i'm looking for defects in paint etc. Thus carry that through to anything i'm looking at.


    This is what i said in my original post!!

    I said monopoly as is they held the market strongly. Now Panasonics/Samsung/LG whatever have a good following also and many actually prefer the other brands to that of SONY.

    I never once said sony are ****. I said they make Mediocre TV's which are neither **** or brilliant.

    Defensive side: When i'm being talked down to yes i do get on the defensive! Patronizing and sarcastic remarks have little place for me! :)

    If you forgot those:

    Are you trying to say "you" know better by your post?? Theres a reason why people get defensive!

    To be honest i'm sick of arguing about pointless issues. I made some bold statements and stand by them. Family members have just bought 2 very top end SONY Bravia's 50"+ and using "my" eyes i'd say my cheapo Samsung 37" is better quality just on picture. Sound on my Samsung doesn't compare though but that can be fixed with a decent Audio setup.

    I'm talking of real world experience where expensive SONY TV's are not all they are cracked up to be. They are good yes, i never said otherwise, but imo great they are not. Not anymore. I like to think i have a superb eye for detail. This i believe gives me a good start when looking at things in detail. I chose my TV because it was the only 37" LCD (at the time) to offer full 1080p at 24p. I watch bluerays and have HD sky (not that its much cop) so needed something which could output good quality.

    I paid £100 for a very nice HDMI cable which is 1 metre long, which i use for my blueray viewing. I was assured that it was well worth the money by an independant source. So my cables are up to a fair standard thanks.

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    Oh and i forgot to mention my TV has been calibrated. I bought a DVD from the recommendations over on AV forums! :)

    Edit: To mention, i think it is good to have a choice layed out in different rooms as in demo's at proper AV centres. It gives choice and furthermore it give a diverse look at whats on offer, given price ranges and specifications.

    When i do need another TV that is for me and not my visitors i'll be visiting my local B&O!

    G
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    NOW, you see. This is where it's all wrong. I don't know who you trust when it comes to your advice, but whoever gave you this advice, they robbed you of £95.imo

    1m HDMI cabling for £100? Just a NO for me. Is it a Monster one by any chance?

    HDMI cables are for a digital signal. They either work or don't. They are not like scarts or components.

    Any HDMI cable under 2m, you can use the cheap £2 ones and they will be on par with the £100 ones. It's only when the length increases that it matters (shielding etc...) like if you want to go beyond 3m etc...

    I never said I know better but I just asked questions and wanted factual reasons/replies. Not opinions.

    If by 1 TV you have seen, you say that Sony is medicore, that cannot be counted. Why? it might be a coincidence that this very TV you saw had a bad panel or badly calibrated.

    And again, I have not passed any judgements on any TV brand. I just asked for some questions.

    Thanks. :)
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    this is more like it. Just like for detailing, we have DW and for picture quality, we have Sony :p
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