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Discussion in 'A3/S3 Forum (8L Chassis)' started by Westy, May 9, 2011.

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What colour S3 Avus for the Track?

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  1. s3dave
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    Try cleaning it they do get coated in oil...
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    I have cleaned it once before. I'll do a straight swap for Tam's one and see what happens. If the temps are a lot lower with his AIT sensor I'll give mine a clean. If that fails i'll buy a new one.

    I'm hoping that maybe I damaged the sensor when fitting my insulator gasket on Tuesday. Bill never mentioned any high readings with it on Friday :think:

    There's no way it can read nearly 50 degrees but the mani is cold to the touch........ is there???
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    Yeah, its possible as the charge air hits those temps under high boost and the inlet is insulated from the engine with the phenolic spacer... the inlet will heat up more quickly without a phenolic as the engine is a constant heat whereas the charge air temp's will vary... the inlet won't absorb the heat from the charge air as quick so will remain cooler even though the IAT's are high... when off boost then the IAT's will drop and the inlets heat soak will be much less anyway... if that makes sense :)

    It would heat up eventually though...

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    Surely if the core was too small for the job you wouldn't expect worse AITs than with the 2 standard SMICs would you?
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    Yeah you would sadly... pressure drop aside the overall cooling effect and recovery ability will be less as you have reduced the effective surface area of the cooling...

    Difficult to say whats happening with yours in comparison to Tam's but I would still consider that FMIC you have as a bit on the small side...

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    Well I'll try the AIT sensor and failing that Tam's FMIC. If his cooler is doing a better job than mine it'll be going back on eBay and I'll be shopping for a new core :(
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    I know swapping the cores will be a right pain in the chuff, however it's a worthwhile test IMO.
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    Give Alex at AH a call about my old cooler... I am ringing him around 10:30 to chase anyway so will have a word...

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    Yeah I was thinking it would be a good test too. I really hope it's just the AIT sensor as that's a 2 min job.

    If you wouldn't mind having a word with him that would be great.
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    Oh and some more bad news. I may have to sell my 17" avus wheels as I have nowhere to store them and I'm getting grief off the old man for filling up his garage with car bits! That's what a garge is for IMO :)
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    He spends most of his time living at his GFs parent house and his garage at home is too small :(
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    one of your logs from last friday.... - it was running hot as well as dropping 7psi

    Code:
    Group A:	'001				Group B:	'031		Group C:	'118			
    	RPM	Temperature	Lambda	Bin. Bits		Lambda Factor	Lambda Factor		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.
    TIME					TIME			TIME				
    STAMP	 /min	°C	 %		STAMP			STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar
    
    35.21	2680	86	-3.1	11100001	34.61	0.891	0.836	34.9	2520	30	100	1920
    36.11	3160	86	8.6	11100001	35.5	0.836	0.789	35.81	3000	31	81.2	2490
    37.02	3520	85	10.9	11100001	36.4	0.805	0.789	36.72	3400	30	80	2540
    37.93	3920	86	10.9	11100001	37.31	0.774	0.774	37.62	3800	31	79.6	2510
    38.83	4280	86	10.9	11100001	38.23	0.774	0.766	38.53	4120	32	79.6	2490
    39.74	4600	86	10.9	11100001	39.13	0.782	0.758	39.43	4520	33	78.4	2430
    40.64	4920	86	10.9	11100001	40.04	0.774	0.743	40.34	4840	36	77.6	2360
    41.55	5240	87	13.3	11100001	40.94	0.782	0.766	41.24	5160	37	78	2320
    42.45	5600	87	20.3	11100001	41.85	0.828	0.75	42.15	5520	39	80.4	2270
    43.36	5920	87	21.1	11100001	42.75	0.867	0.735	43.05	5800	42	92.5	2340
    44.27	6240	87	21.1	11100001	43.66	0.899	0.727	43.97	6120	45	99.2	2340
    45.17	6480	87	21.1	11100001	44.56	0.891	0.719	44.87	6400	48	96.1	2270
    46.08	6840	88	21.1	11100001	45.47	0.891	0.672	45.77	6720	51	91.4	2250
    46.98	7120	88	21.1	11100001	46.37	0.891	0.649	46.69	7040	54	80	2270
    47.88	6920	89	0	11110001	47.28	0.883	0.649	47.58	7280	56	0	2180
    
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    another one, which i think was last run.. with jr added
    Code:
    Group A:	'002				Group B:	'020				Group C:	'118			
    	RPM	Load	Inj. On Time	Mass Flow		Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization	Idle Stabilization		RPM	Temperature	Load	Absolute Pres.
    TIME					TIME					TIME				
    STAMP	 /min	 %	 ms	 g/s	STAMP	°KW	°KW	°KW	°KW	STAMP	 /min	°C	 %	 mbar
    
    
    131.05	2920	191.7	20.06	119.17	130.44	0	0	0	0	130.74	2760	26	77.3	2270
    131.95	3320	191.7	23.12	135.14	131.35	0	0	0	0	131.65	3240	26	79.2	2540
    132.86	3720	191.7	23.12	149.5	132.24	0	1.5	0	1.5	132.55	3600	25	78.8	2490
    133.76	4080	191.7	23.12	169.39	133.16	0	1.5	0	1.5	133.46	3960	26	78.8	2460
    134.67	4400	191.7	23.12	176.11	134.06	0	1.5	0	1.5	134.36	4320	26	78	2420
    135.57	4760	191.7	21.76	181.11	134.97	0	1.5	0	1.5	135.27	4640	27	76.5	2370
    136.48	5080	191.7	21.42	188.92	135.87	0	1.5	0	1.5	136.18	4960	29	77.3	2270
    137.38	5440	191.7	21.42	204.53	136.78	0	1.5	0	1.5	137.08	5280	31	78.4	2280
    138.29	5760	191.7	24.82	222.44	137.68	0	1.5	0	1.5	137.98	5680	33	81.2	2330
    139.19	6080	191.7	24.48	225.81	138.59	0	1.5	0.8	0.8	138.89	6000	36	91.8	2320
    140.11	6400	188	23.12	227.25	139.5	0	0.8	0.8	0.8	139.8	6320	37	97.3	2290
    141	6720	184.2	23.46	227.78	140.41	0.8	0.8	1.5	2.3	140.7	6600	39	95.3	2300
    141.92	7040	169.9	21.76	229.58	141.3	1.5	0.8	1.5	2.3	141.6	6880	43	95.3	2300
    142.81	7280	163.2	25.84	221.56	142.21	1.5	0.8	1.5	2.3	142.51	7200	45	74.9	2230
    143.72	6160	12.8	2.38	7.5	143.11	1.5	0	2.3	2.3	143.42	6760	47	0	1760
    
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    Bloody hell. Ok so not a major worry then as it was mapped when running 50+ degrees!?

    Maybe the AIT sensor is faulty then!
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    That's interesting that the JR Filter dropped the inlet temps.... :)

    I would guess that it has a bit to do with the bonnet being open, however that does contradict the general thoughts.
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    Can't you swap yours and Tam's, it is like a 2 second job...
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    Well the 2nd set or results is pretty much the same as the ones I got last night. It is interesting that the Jetex helped out. I'm not as worried now ;) but still not happy.
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    Yep will have a go tonight if his mrs will let him out to play.
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    hmmm, dont get ya hopes up (me being a pesimist-<<spelling?))
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    I'm the same Bill, pesimistic as feck when it comes to cars ;)
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    Comparison of respective pressure's, boost vs @ turbo between the 2 cars from the day
    (I'm good to you boys!)

    Pressure in BAR is @ Turbo
    Pressure in PSI is at inlet manifold

    [​IMG]
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    You're a good man Bill. It's service like this that make me come back and give you more money ;)
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    I'm interested in your fingings regarding IAT's as i suffer from similar probs as well.
    I can see IAT as high as 55' and dropping at 30' on boost.
    I did once a pre FMIC pressure reading and i swear i could see 2-4 psi less than post FMIC.
    Could that be real?
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    Personally Neil, I just think your FMIC is too small :S It's the same size as I'm running on my ko3S. Compare it to things like Wellys monster cooler and it's no wonder you're seeing such high IATs!
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    I have put the wheels in motion for an AH Fab cooler ;)
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    :)
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    Sounds good

    1 question, are your pockets never ending? I wish I had enough £££ to splash out on modding my car as quick as you do :notme:
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    No unfortunately not. I do run my budget quite tight most months but I'm one of these people who hates having things incomplete or not working properly.

    As soon as another free weekend listing appears on eBay I have a load of car bits that I am hoping to make some money back on.
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    which AH one you planning w3sty?
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    Well originally it was going to be the same as Tuffty's old core with 60mm pipework but after some PM's with him I may just wait and see what sort of results his new one yields and may end up with one of those instead.

    With any luck Dane's core will turn up soon and I can see exactly what it's doing when you get his motor on your rollers ;)
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    How can we do a diy pressure drop test...? it would be realy interesting to find out what a stardard smic s3 loses...
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    I was thinking about this last night and the only way I can think of is to have 2 boost guages. 1 comes from the N75 and one comes off the inlet mani.
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    ^^^ what he said :thumbsup:

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    When is this new AH intercooler going to be out and what is the difference. Are they a good fit or require alot cutting etc.
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    so my mech boost guage is getting a reading from the manni pressure, where does the liquid get its readings from? am i on to something? lol
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    Liquid reads from MAP sensor mate so more or less the same as your boost gauge currently... what you could try of course is logging actual boost (115 or 118) and plumbing the boost gauge into the N75 boost feed... using a handy assistant you can drive while they make a note of boost from the gauge at certain RPM's and then you should get a rough idea of whats what... providing you are not running more boost than the MAP sensor will see at least...

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    Ha yes the map sensor i forgot about that, yes its only a foot away so no good i will knock a T junction up and try it from the n75 cheers
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