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VR6 in to a B5

Discussion in 'A4/S4 forum(B5 Chassis)' started by docurley, Sep 5, 2007.

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    I had to post this up:


    Its time to let the cat out of the bag so to speak, we’ve been working on this project for some time but haven’t said much about it. It’s really coming along though, and we’re getting very excited about it, so here are some of the details. 8)
    THE PURPOSE
    The car will debut at the 2007 Eurotuner Grand Prix in late September, so we’re making a big push to finish it, we’ll also be running the car at the Redline and Superstreet Time Attack series, as well as many Audi club and other track day events. Ultimately, the purpose of the car is to promote 034Motorsport products and services, to serve as a product development test bed, and to make grown men go “poopie in their pants” when they get a ride.
    The car must be fast in the quarter-mile, must put down big-ish dyno #’s, and also haul around a track eating EVO’s in a single turn. Oh yea, it has to be drop dead reliable and dead nuts sexy as well.
    THE HISTORY
    Mid 2006 Matrix Integrated (in Washington State) put an A4 quattro rolling-chassis up for sale, gutted, caged, stock CV’s and rear diff still installed, no engine or other drivetrain to speak of. In a moment of impulsiveness, Issam Abed purchased the chassis as it was a pretty good deal. We began speaking about it and the potential of the chassis had, and decided it would make a great platform for an 034Motorsport Time Attack car we’d [034] been wanting to build. The cage and basic frame/chassis prep was already done, so all we had to do was put it together with some drivetrain and wala, easy! [​IMG] We took delivery of the chassis in early 2007 and began making preparation to have it done by the fall. All other work and parts performed are of 034Motorsport and its partner sponsors, overall a real team effort 8)
    THE ENGINE
    We wanted a motor that was powerful, reliable, low lag and very tractable, different, and affordable. No Cosworth V8’s here, something someone could emulate in their garage for a sane budget. The different part ruled out the 1.8t or 2.7tt (which are both great motors obviously), I5 was too long and we already proved the hell out of that one. It either left the Harley V-Twin or the VW VR6 engine, and when late last year someone offered us a free 12v AAA long block with all accessories on it, the Harley started to look really expensive. The VR6 made a lot of sense, and Issam’s incessant hounding and panting over the topic helped too. The VR6 is compact, though it’s a little longer than a 2.7t, its as narrow as a 1.8t which leaves lots of room on the sides for cool turbo (NO ‘s) and stuff. There is still plenty of room to fit the engine with a stock core support (slightly trimmed), and these Mo-effin VR6’s, even 12v’s, make tons of power, are very bulletproof and a dime-a-dozen.


    The nitty Gritty:
    Quote, originally posted by 2896cc 12V Engine »
    Project Specs:
    ENGINE:
    * Lower Half : The Block & Oiling system
    - AAA Block bored to 82.5mm + align honed Main's
    - 82.5mm 9.0:1 JE Pistons
    - 90.3mm OEM Crankshaft
    - Bildon 164mm/21mm Forged Connecting Rods + ARP bolts
    - ARP Main studs
    - ARP head studs
    - 034 Motorsport Coated connecting rod & Main bearings
    - 034 Motorsport VW Touareg modified oil pan
    - 034 Motorsport Custom 7-lb Aluminum Flywheel
    - 034 Motorsport Custom starter Motor
    * Upper Half : The Head
    - AAA Cylinder Head - Given 034 Motorsport Stage-3 porting Job
    - 034 Motorsport +2mm Intake Valves
    - 034 Motorsport +2mm Iconnel Exhaust Valves
    - 034 Motorsport High-Rate Valve spring & Ti Retainers
    - OEM Lifters
    - Techtonics Tuning 268 Camshafts

    * Ignition,Turbo,Intake & Fueling System:
    - 034EFi Stage IIc SEM system +4Bar Map sensor
    - (6) 034EFi HO Direct Fire Coils
    - 034 Motorsport Plug Wires
    - Garret GT3582R Turbocharger
    - ATP exhaust manifold
    - 034 Motorsport Oil + Coolant supply/return kit
    - TiAL 38mm Wastegate
    - TiAL 50mm Blow-Off Valve
    - 034 Motorsport Cast Intake manifold
    - Polished 65mm AAA Throttle Body
    - 034EFi VR6 Fuel Rails
    - 034 Motorsport Fuel Pressure Regulator
    - (6) RC Engineering 750cc Injectors
    - (2) Bosch 044 MS Fuel pumps
    DRIVETRAIN:
    - 01E S6+ Gearbox
    - Stasis 5:1 Centre Differential
    - Audi S4 Centre Driveshaft
    - Stasis Clutch Type Rear Differential
    - 034 Motorsport Engine cradle + Custom Gearbox Mounts
    - Spec Stage 3+ Clutch system
    WHEELS,SUSPENSION & BRAKE SYSTEM:
    - Rota 17" X 8" rims
    - Falken 255 Tyres
    - STaSIS Engineering full Coilover system
    - STaSIS 14" Alcons @ Front
    - 034 Motorsport 13" custom units @ Rear
    - Hotchkiss Rear sway bar
    - 034 Motorsport front sway bar EXTERIOR & INTERIOR:
    - Reiger Front bumper
    - A!Avant Garde side skirts
    - Fibre images CF nbonnet
    - AIM Pro Dash
    - STaSIS Racing seats
    - AP Racing Pedal box


    And finally some of the pictures so far:
    Quote, originally posted by 034 Motorsport - Javad Shadzi »
    Port and valve work
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    Modified Toureg Oil Pan
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    Custom 034 VR6 Longitudinal Starter
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    Starter mounted up to adaptor plate
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    Custom 034 Flywheel for VR6 to 01E/01A install
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    Test fitting motor with front end
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    The beginning of many modifications to the poor subframe
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    Motor bolted up to the tranny
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    Bottom end shot
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    Engine cradle shots
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    Stasis Motorsport Suspension Sexiness
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    Fresh coat of paint for the interior
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    Flywheel all bolted up
    [​IMG]

    Looks like I approve
    [​IMG]
    Let me just say for the record that none of this would have been possible without 034 and the community owes them a HUGE [​IMG] as we have all been drooling over a VR6 equipped A4 but have either been too afraid to try or were patiently awaiting someone else to do it.Well now the wait is over thanks to Javad & the team.
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    [​IMG]
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    Close up of the 034 HO coil pack using off the shelf bracket kit, we used Mil Spec wire coverings where we could:
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    Earl's oil cooler installed:
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    Anodized coolant pipes:
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    Our new VR6 fuel rail with RC Engineering flow matched injectors:
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    Audi I5 coolant res, Golf 3 PS res
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    Starter solenoid and turbo intake
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    Gotta Repesent [​IMG]
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    AP Racing Pedal set:
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    Anodized switch console
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    Race battery and power wiring:
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    Stasis 13" front brake setup, 14" didn't fit with the 17's as well as we liked:
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    Our new 13" bolt in rear brake setup [​IMG]
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    i got wood!
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    Awesome project but is that a different VR6 engine to the normal VW one as it looks nothing like a VR enging.
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    Not a different engine that is what vrs look like when you take off the intake manifold that you would recognise
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    Where you find this? Great find.
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    Cool i understand now :)
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    One of a few forums I follow and I just love what they are doing as we all know the VR6 engine is quite cheap and tuning parts are just as available has the 1.8T engine but the difference is the power gains could be much higher and it also put you in the realms of the S4 with the right set-up and we are talking a tuned S4.
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    Cool just saw it on Vortex. The VR6 has huge tuning potential as you say. There are millions of bits availiable for it.
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    Love it what a project i would love a track car like that :)
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    I want one in my car as a every day car and then do track days and hound the RS4's:laugh:
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    all i can say is WOW!

    would this be a cheap mod to do on a existing A4?

    looks like alot of blood, sweat n tears went in to that project!!

    im with MArk n Doc! love this car for a track day and normal road use and whip a few M3s along the way! :arco:

    thanks for posting this here mate!
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    Hell yeah :) that would be sweet as im sure all the porsche and lambo boys will be bricking it as well.
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    just noticed the turbo they used! its a Garret GT3582R!

    its capable of 600BHP!!! i know ATP figures are usually exaggerated according to alot of people, but even if it acheived 500BHP thats an acheivement and its going to be 1 fast car!

    id love to get more info on this and see how much it would cost!
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    Errmmm...
    I thought the VR6 and the Audi 2.8 were the same engine :shrug:
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    Nah, the Audi 2.8 is a traditional V6. Not sure of the angle but probably 60 or 90 degrees. VR6 is only a 15 degree V.

    I guess the OP went the VR6 route is it leaves much more engine bay available for "extras"
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    Very different.
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    You can follow the thread here as it's there own forum and more info can be found there.

    http://www.motorgeek.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=205708#205708

    My mate as a Supercharged V6 Jetta and it's dam fast I used to have problems beating him in my Audi 2.8 supercharged A4 and with his Supercharger I would not stand a chance, put it this way he took on a Supercharged Jag the other day and sat on his bumper to 155mph when the Jag speed limiter kicked in he went round him and blasted away.
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    They are exspecting 500bhp with that turbo but plan on fitting a larger GT42 to produce 700bhp.

    Now 700bhp is too mad for me but a nice 400bhp to 450bhp as a daily drive would be nice just need to find out what sort of lag this GT35 is going to give as a GT30 may be the better option for day to day use and would the internals need doing is the next question based on a 24v 2.8?
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    yeh, just read that in the link you posted! its crazy, i would be happy with the same for day to day driving!

    im excited lol! dunno why cus i dont think id be doing anytihng like that anytime soon!

    im assuming that would not be possible with miens then? a 1.8T?

    i think the internal would need doing if pushing more than 350-400BHP. with mines its recomended at 300bhp
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    [Sep 6, 2007]

    :hubbahubba:
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    I can't see why we could not fit this in a 1.8T as I'm sure that the A4 being done was a 1.8T.
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    The one thing I miss from my old Passat was the sound of the VR6 - it would be awesome to have one in my A4.

    I expect it would be ultimately cheaper to just get an S4, but I like the idea of doing what most would say is pointless/impossible :icon_thumright:
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    Most would say tuning a car full stop is a waste as our roads only allow us to do 70mph anyway.:eyebrows:
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    good point!

    we need bigger motorways and better roads like everyone else!
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    yeah we need advanced road management like the Germans autobahn, instead of being in the dark ages wid a limit of 70mph. Watched a documentary on autobahn, only prob they have is with some people driving cars way too powerful for their driving skills killing themselves, very rare they kill others, which would be the argument from our gov and do good`rs everywhere.
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    Little link of it running up and down a street sound mad.
    [​IMG]
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    sounds crazy! Fast too! i want that VR6 + GT35 in my car now lol

    thanks for the link Doc!
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