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Unburned fuel a problem? Anyone else had this?

MBK Feb 19, 2013

  1. MBK

    MBK Well-Known Member

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    Hi all,

    well this is something new from the RS3 since the weekend. Has anyone else had this set of problems:

    - a strange burning smell,

    - unburned fuel building up around the exhaust tip (thick black covering, where it was polished to perfection on the weekend)

    - the exhaust emitting small messy black blobs of fuel - this is a long trail of small and then larger black blobs on the drive, it's probably on the road too but I haven't been back to check!​

    At first I thought it might be oil and as the dealer was closed by the time I called Audi Assist have checked the car over and confirmed its definitely unburned fuel rather than oil. There are no error codes on the diagnostic and the car is by all subjective measures driving fine.

    I've seen this sort of thing on tuned Westfield's with aggressive race type exhausts - they would leave a black line of unburned fuel along the garage wall (side exit exhausts to make that sound sensible) from cold but from an Audi I'm surprised and I think something has changed.

    Audi Assist have forwarded the information on and the RS3 will be going to the dealer for a good check over in the next few days. If anyone has experienced similar or can give any clues where to start the help is appreciated.
     
  2. RYes3

    RYes3 Active Member Team Nardo Audi RS3

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    Hmm, I took this picture this evening...

    ImageUploadedByTapatalk1361302090.613965.jpg

    I was going to ask if the black tipped exhausts can be polished as I have a black sooty deposit (seen at the lower part of the tips), maybe this could be the same issue?

    Have you noticed an increase in fuel consumption?
     
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    RYes3 Active Member Team Nardo Audi RS3

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  4. RYes3

    RYes3 Active Member Team Nardo Audi RS3

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    Doh, tapatalk trouble here, will post a proper link soon
     
  5. MBK

    MBK Well-Known Member

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    Difficult to say on fuel consumption, possibly looking at todays average which is lower than usual, I will be watching that for sure.

    Yep the bottom lip of the exhaust tip is worst area affected. My tips looked similar before cleaning this weekend but now, 2 days later, they are really black and also wet with fuel inside the tips.
     
  6. RYes3

    RYes3 Active Member Team Nardo Audi RS3

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    Its been very cold here the last couple of mornings, maybe excess choking?
     
  7. Audi Dynamik

    Audi Dynamik Well-Known Member

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    My Exhaust's are Silver and on the bottom lip of the exhaust is black. I try to get it off with Autosol but it wont come off. I have never seen signs off unburned Fuel though :L
     
  8. MBK

    MBK Well-Known Member

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    Audi Assist suggested something similar, could be an engine temperature sensor problem, apprarently some get stuck at -40 degrees causing over fuelling. My car was hot and still showing 80 degrees on the diagnostics so he couldn't test from cold.

    The car also left the fuel trail on the drive when hot after a 1 hour run so something is amiss.

    Thanks for the suggestion, appreciate it.
     
  9. RYes3

    RYes3 Active Member Team Nardo Audi RS3

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  10. Kelza

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator Audi RS3

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    Hi there,mines the same needs some wire wool 00 fine grade ,autosol or new m1 gtechniq ;)
     
  11. jerseypaul

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    With the Sport button on and is S mode, there is some fuel added to the exhaust for the "bark" when gear changing.
     
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  12. Kelza

    Kelza MODERATOR Staff Member Moderator Audi RS3

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    I,ve always got sport button and s mode on ,just love the sound :)
     
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  13. P_G

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    Standard trait of a TFSi car. Had the same on my RS4, hence why I went black pack this time. Probably worse on the 3 because of the fuel spurt on up and downshifts

    My old 4 with a non-res exhaust used to shoot out chunks of soot when I was nailing it after long periods of sedate use and 4 owners often mentioned a puff of soot in the rear view mirror and that an Italian tune was good for its health. Better out than in I say.
     
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  14. 45bvtc

    45bvtc Well-Known Member Supporter Team Daytona Gold Supporter Team Cornflower Blue

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    SAME for me...

    I've the same deposits on both my RS3 and TT 2.0 TFSI; both clean with a dab of neat Flash on a (bog-roll) tissue: (*) simples...
     
  15. quattro81

    quattro81 All the gear.. No idea

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    I too have had the black trail and splatters come out of my exhaust - up my freshly painted wall in my garage and left a little trail on e floor.. Not every time admittedly. And then -
    Yesterday I was driving along quite happily letting the car warm up at about 45mph, had just over the reserve left of fuel.. And suddenly power loss, no warning lights, had to pull over, the car cut out as I pulled up. Turned it off, back on ran fine.. Carried on running fine all day, did 150miles didn't miss a beat.
    Scanned it when I got in - came up with fuel pressure 012555 below specified etc.. Then obviously a low fuel reading after that. I called audi, to have it booked in, and when they punched my car reg in they told me that my car was due for a recall job.. Being '62 reg I was a little surprised as most of the recall stuff posted on here had been done to my car at the factory. They said it was for "a power supply threshold issue on the fuel pump"!!!! Audi UK seemed to think this was only a recall o some cars and not others, due to manufacture date.
    Has anyone else has this problem, or been told about the recall? Apologies if there is another thread already!
    I think I'm gonna see if I can just go straight to an rs4 pump, regulator etc after they've done the recall work I think... Anyone know if the rs is compatible?
     
  16. CarrG

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    I've had a fuel pressure software update - dont know the code and have received no paper work from Audi to check!

    BTW - mines 03/2012.
     
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  17. RYes3

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    Hmm, I was on the phone to Audi UK the other day and was told that my 62 plate had no outstanding updates pending as I had already had the brake duct fix applied...
     
  18. MBK

    MBK Well-Known Member

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    My car is booked in next week so I will let you know how I get on. I've also experienced the odd judder in power delivery where it has always been super smooth until now so for certain something isn't right. Fuel consumption has increased slightly too, averaging less than 30 on the DIS a run that is normally in the 33's and the 'B' average has dipped below 28mpg where it had been consistently for almost 7000 miles. I'm not putting up with the black fuel drip lines either so they can sort it out for certain! I'd live with that on a track machine but not a car like this.

    It's been a frustrating week, this new minor problem and having to have the wheels rebalanced for another unknown reason. Ho hum that's cars for you.
     
  19. MBK

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    Well it turns out all is well with my RS3. A strange combination of hot exhaust and the recent warm then cold weather means it was condensation forming inside the exhaust. This was washing out the excess carbon from inside (and there is plenty of that as seen on RYes3's pics above) the exhaust hence the black oil/fuel looking liquid and mess on the drive. I've not experienced anything like this on any other performance car so this was a new one for me.

    Good news that there was nothing wrong and if it happens to anyone else at least you know what it is.
     
  20. RYes3

    RYes3 Active Member Team Nardo Audi RS3

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    Thats good to know, thanks for the update :)
     
  21. wickedstef

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    Good to know, but what about the fuel consumption?
     
  22. 45bvtc

    45bvtc Well-Known Member Supporter Team Daytona Gold Supporter Team Cornflower Blue

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    24.0 to 25.9 mpg every tank-full from new! Whatever I do... However I drive... Wherever I go...

    ALWAYS Shell/Texaco's BEST!

    ZERO oil consumption!

     
  23. P_G

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    Last night's fill up was 54 litres after 358 miles which is the haloed 30+mpg. Average between 28 and 30mpg, DIS2 is on 28.7 measured since I collected the car from new and still currently on winter tyres.
     
  24. 45bvtc

    45bvtc Well-Known Member Supporter Team Daytona Gold Supporter Team Cornflower Blue

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    HOW the F**K are you doing that?

    The only time I've seen 30+ was on a VERY, VERY, VERY sub 75mph motorway run to a pub south of Bristol, and NO WAY did it see 30mpg on the way back I can assure you...

    And I'm a freeking OAP for G** sake!

    Not that I really care mind...

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    And Kohaku (yes you bl**dy do!) keeps telling me I'm the oldest RS3 peddler here!!!

    AND I'm on winter tyres, too - but thay maybe off and back to Summer's now/today even...


     
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  25. Kohaku

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    Silly Old Bugger.
     
  26. P_G

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    If you drive my commute you'll understand why; it is pretty much 82 our of 88miles on dual carriageway on the days I do my commute and the A19 is so shocking with outside lane hoggers and general tw@ts that most of time I can't do any more than 60-65 anyway. I just stick it in 'D' and let it do it's thing and when an overtaking option comes up, flick the down paddle 3 times and zoom past and stick it back into M/D7.
     
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  27. 45bvtc

    45bvtc Well-Known Member Supporter Team Daytona Gold Supporter Team Cornflower Blue

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    Thank YOU Kohaku, and respect!!!!
     
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  28. 45bvtc

    45bvtc Well-Known Member Supporter Team Daytona Gold Supporter Team Cornflower Blue

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    Yeh but, no but, I still can't get that - I mean overall from NEW...

    I don't get overtaken mind!!
     
  29. Vito

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    you are lucky guys, I know I do most of my driving around the city and don`t like hanging around behind sunday drivers, but getting only 14 mpg is pretty scary.

    It makes me feel like I have bought a V12 from Maranello.
     
  30. P_G

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    Neither do I!:ninja:
     
  31. Kohaku

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    NO.I thank you,with more respect
     
  32. Kohaku

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    Give a Blue RS,with private plate a wide berth if you see one.

    Vito...I can just imagine you,with pent up frustrations revving like crazy for 100yds,then red mist & red lights again.
     
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  34. MBK

    MBK Well-Known Member

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    Seems to have returned to about normal as the temperatures have come back to + figures. I can only put that dip down to the cold weather too, and maybe the change of tyres has had a minor impact too. I will be keeping a watch on it. It seems the RS3 isn't as happy with really cold days, the exact opposite of the old Scooby which always felt stronger on a crisp cold day.
     
  35. MBK

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    Similar to P_G I was averaging a real world 28mpg, with anything from 31-34 on the DIS on the regular commute - there is rarely any chance or point in going quickly. In the recent cold snap that dropped to 29 on the DIS. Real world is also down to 26mpg but as you may have seen that did include a couple of launches and some tyre testing! The Pilot Super Sports may have also caused a slight dip in MPG or I might be leaning on them a bit harder.

    One thing is for sure my average MPG will be going south as I have quite a few fun days out planned this year.
     
  36. Vito

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    Weeeell, Naaaaa!!! it`s WOOOOSSHH and I am gone, well before that frustation gets to me.
     

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