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TQS progress thread, From STD-Scroll-Eliminator.

Discussion in 'A4/S4 forum(B5 Chassis)' started by Broken Byzan, Nov 14, 2009.

  1. Plunky
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    [Nov 20, 2009]
    yeah if you could get back to me regarding the injectors that would be great!
    The k04-15 your talk of, is this a bolt on upgrade for the ko3 then? hasnt got the different angled downpipe take off like the standard k04-022 (i think thats the right code)?
    what sort of figures are you getting from this turbo with the upgrade from scroll?
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    the k04-15 is a direct upgrade for the A4/passat. The engine isnt transverse like an A3, its facing front to back as it's completely a different fitment to the A3.

    I am still flumoxed as to how the S3's get a nadger over 300 bhp and we struggle to get 250 on a hybrid and our downpipes are much less torturous than the A3's and S3's. Hmmm

    I am aiming for 275 ish
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    A few bits to be going on with.
    The injectors are back from cleaning
    The Milor clips ready for the FMIC
    02 Bungs, one for ECU one, just in case...
    Flange ( Cheers Aragorn )
    Small Flexi for the downpipe
    Section of 76mm pipe
    And a few gaskets.
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    I got bored and went out with my antique welder and had a blast at making the downpipe.
    I am so glad i have a grinder, I am so out of practice...
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    have you got a parrot!? ;)
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    ?????
    Lost me...:search:
    Probably age related :ohmy:
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    no, just wondering what shat on your downpipe.... :)
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    i cant get hold of the guy im meant to be getting the s4 bits from so if that falls thru i might look more into this sort of set up instead of getting bumpers etc. its just too slow with the k03:crying:
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    Nah, hes got some pidgeons nesting in the rafters :p
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    Mark. People in London would pay good Money for this (moden art)
    [​IMG]n art)
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    [Nov 25, 2009]
    Twas i that shat on the pipe, awful it looks, air tight it will be....Says the mighty Yoda
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    Mark like aways you is the Man, nice going.
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    Flexi looks mahussive mate!!.. guessing you wont have any trouble with getting rid of exhaust gasses lol.

    You going to weld my wideband boss in for me??? pleeeeaaassssse :thumbsup:

    12KG of turbo shizz left me at about 10am mate.
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    [Nov 26, 2009]

    Wicked, and will see if i can get some stainless wire etc first
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    Just noticed an ECU and circuitry on your picture.. what's occurring (best Welsh accent intended)?
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    ECU is my 018cj and the board is the "fix" for the immo
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    Def going for the ME3 ecu then? Using R-Tech?
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    Yeah, Nick has earnt my trust from what i have heard/read. He knows his stuff, and also has a 4wd RR.

    I also would trust Stealth Racing(Vince) as he is pie hot on coding, but sadly only has a 2wd RR. With mine being a quattro, it won't move at all with the rear shafts off
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    R-Tech will be very convenient for me as I can be there in 15 - 20 mins from my house.. group booking maybe?
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    was that with a MIG?
    gassed or gasless?

    Machine mart do stainless wire pretty reasonably, just got some.
    you need to turn your gas up and clear your nozzles by the looks of things

    I have a crappy MM Mig which spits like a pissed off cat unless I flood the thing with gas.
    **** power controls on it don't help
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    jcb: hes using gasless wire on a "gas only" Clarke 130TE iirc, so its no surprise its not perfect!

    I would imagine if you got yourself some 0.8mm stainless wire and a bottle of argon, it would look much tidier.

    Also, i'm assuming the white oddness is normal for fluxcored wire, if its NOT the white stuff probably means your welding thru zinc, which while isnt a great issue as long as you dont breath in the fumes that come off it!
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    [Nov 26, 2009]
    My Mig will work in gas mode, but i "borrowed" the gas feed line for the wire liner and havn't got around to buying a new one as well as replacing the now lost regulator.

    I won't be welding mine with stainless as it's all mild steel this time around. I simply cannot afford to do it in stainless at the mo. However it will give me a template to work to, as i intend to butt this to an OE S4 system this time around, and when that explodes, i will buy one of those cheapy Ebay ones
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    [Dec 13, 2009]
    Not much happening except i managed to get her onto a rolling road to get a baseline figure. Not bad i recon, she has only lost 4BHP in 10 years and 118k miles. Fueling seemed ok as did boost.

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    [Dec 13, 2009]
    i'd say pretty reasonable considering what some of the 8l's got even remapped ones.
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    i thought it was quite impressive for wot the car is i.e mileage and standard form.
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    [Dec 13, 2009]
    Would like to get mine on to see what it is with the chip.
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    Last edited: Dec 13, 2009
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    [Dec 13, 2009]
    Good spot. About 30 miles from me. My last car i had on the rollers there made 315 bhp, think ill be a little short of that thou:crying:
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    [Dec 13, 2009]
    I recon 210 should be about right mate for a chipped AJL.
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    Im sure the car my ecu came from made 211. Not sure if i should try a N75J and see if it does anything.
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    Its odd that these AJL's make more power, when the engine is identical to an AEB...
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    This is what I've been trying to find out??.. If it's a K03-005 and the same engine spec then the only difference can be the map so in theory an AEB should make 210HP too.

    Very odd.. The only thing that I can think is that tuners realise that people with 180HP won't pay £300 for a 10HP increase so they push the turbo right to it's limit!?
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    [Dec 14, 2009]
    I think the ECU is a touch cleverer.( at least thats all i could think of)
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    ..but surely mapping the ECU (as with the SET @ 250hp) would get around this if all of the hardware is the same?
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    If i am honest i do not know, i was guessing.

    But then if you think about it it's like comparing a pentuim 1 processor against a pentium 2, you can run them at the same speed,but the work done will be more for the same speed!
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    [Dec 14, 2009]
    Yeah I suppose that's the only variable really so you're probably right.
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    Or i blagged it so well it seems feesable,LMAO
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    [Dec 14, 2009]
    i think its down to the boost pressure.

    Some AEB remaps are only pushing 13 or 14 psi.

    If we do the maths increasing from 8 to 12psi gives you:

    150 / 22.7 * 26.7 = 176hp

    (the odd 22 and 26 are absolute pressure, so boost + 14.7)

    210hp requires around 17psi (or perhaps a little more as the turbo no doubt becomes less efficient), so it seems Lee is correct, with the AJL they're just wringing its neck.
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    [Dec 14, 2009]
    Give me my chocolate bar.. I win!
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    Suppose we could've easily worked that out by just checking the boost pressure on two mapped cars.. one AEB and one AJL.

    Thanks to Aragorn (ASNs answer to Carol Vordeman) we now have proof lol.
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