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Discussion in 'General Chat' started by markos72, Apr 8, 2013.

  1. CHEZ
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    [Apr 11, 2013]
    think they should play this at her burning/funeral... :salute:
    ironic............


    for those not in the know, this is from wikipedia,

    The name 'Flying Pickets' refers to mobile strikers who travel in order to join a picket. The band of six was founded by Brian Hibbard in 1982 from a group of actors who had been active with him in John McGrath's '7:84 Theatre Group', a fringe theatre organisation who had sung a cappella in their production of the 1981 play One Big Blow. The group chose the name The Flying Pickets as band members had played a part in the UK miners' strikes of 1972 and 1974.[SUP][2][/SUP] The Flying Pickets came up with the then novel concept of transferring the art of a cappella to the pop music scene.[SUP][3][/SUP]Joining Hibbard in the Group were Rick Lloyd (who also wrote the music to One Big Blow), Gareth Williams, David Brett, Ken Gregson (real name Kenneth Gregory) and Red Stripe (real name David Gittins). The members of the group were internationally renowned for their flamboyant appearance: Hibbard's huge sideburns, Stripe's thick eye-liner, and four others showing off gaudy suits and large hats. Two of the other original members, Ron Donachie and Christopher Ryan left the band before "Only You".
    "Only You", their debut single, was the UK Christmas number one in 1983 spending a total of five weeks at the top, and also doing well around Europe and in Canada, where it hit #17 in the spring of 1984. It emulated the success of the original Yazoo version.
    Despite the radical Socialist political views of The Flying Pickets, the then Conservative Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher proclaimed to much amusement that it was her favourite record.[SUP][4][/SUP] A second single, featuring Van McCoy's "When You're Young and in Love" originally written for Ruby and the Romantics reached number 7 in the UK, but their third, a cover of the Eurythmics' "Who's That Girl" barely charted.
    The height of the group's fame coincided with the Miners Strike of 1984, when the National Union of Mineworkers called strike action following the National Coal Board's decision to close 20 pits - a move which would claim some 20,000 jobs.[SUP][2][/SUP] The Flying Pickets were very vocal regarding their support of the miners during the dispute and came to blows with the record label Virgin after they picketed Drax Power Station in Yorkshire.[SUP][5][/SUP] They also performed benefit gigs for the miners. Hibbard himself claimed that their political beliefs probably had a detrimental effect regarding the group's mainstream image but it was a sacrifice they were willing to make,[SUP][6][/SUP] one well known record store refused to sell the groups albums due to their support of strike action.[SUP][7][/SUP]
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    [Apr 11, 2013]
    Has any body mentioned her OWN party got rid of her in the end...;)
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    Mr Freeze (it's becoming a second home for the RS3 section in here lol),

    I'll avoid the miners argument if I may, I empathise with anyone who has faced hardship, life is sometimes incredibly difficult and unfair. My own father was a chain maker and my grandmother won a medal as the fastest chain maker in the land during WWII so I am from a working class background myself.

    The harsh reality of the world is that back then the traditional industrial age jobs were being ever more pressured by cheaper overseas labour (over 80% of cost in these industries) the end was in sight if brought on faster than it might have been. What people don't seem to have caught on to is that this is still happening today, if you are a clever MBA, analyst or computer programmer working for a big company your job is now the one at risk. India, for example, has more MBAs and they earn a 6th of UK salary yet live the same middle class lifestyle on that money. If your job (accountant, basic law, data analyst, even things like x-ray chart analysis etc etc) can be done cheaper by someone down a broadband pipe that is where it is going.

    I think the UK has a massive amount to offer and that we are actually on the rise. It's just the jobs that have changed, we are now part of the 'brain trust' of the world, this is the era of the knowledge worker. 20 years ago the most sought after course was the Masters in Business Administration, today it's the Masters in Fine Art because our products such as cars all work pretty much perfectly. The developed world values design above just what works, which is why we see the traditional brands like Ford losing ground to B*W, Merc and Audi - everyone who has the basics then wants a slice of that good design.

    This is just my perspective and I don't for one moment expect to change your view, yes mistakes were made that is certain, but as you say you bounced back and I think many more people bounced back than became worse off (and by this I mean using health, life expectancy, healthy years of life and wealth as measures).

    Oh and I won't be talking about any of this on the weekend because it's all in the past and I prefer to live in the present and enjoy the good times we have today!
    :beerchug::friends:

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    Yep I mentioned this a while back, all leaders are prone to winning too much (man or woman), our brain gets too much testosterone and we believe we become invincible - see Tony Blair, Fred the Shred, Tiger Woods etc as examples of the destruction this causes! All evidenced based neuroscience by Prof Ian Robertson at Uni Dublin if you're that interested!
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    I will ask again please that this thread is kept civil. Regardless of your opinions of Maggie, there is no need to be disrespectful.

    I have edited a couple of posts which would only have served to stir things up.
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    As far as i'm concerned, nobody with a £35k car in their garage can claim to be 'working class'.
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    ha ha ha ha ha........ point missed completely, get yer facts right it's £40K..... don't judge people's class by the car they drive or money they earn..... The 'working class' term and who it used to represent is dead along with the old left wing Labour Party, they don't exist anymore.
    Would you prefer he pottered around in some sh;t tip to meet you're perceived image of working class, it's gone, it doesn't exist.
    he's a product of what Mrs Thatcher encouraged, working class guy, work hard, get somewhere and reap the benefits of his labour.
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    wow
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    The subject of class is an interesting one. I am working class because I was raised living in council flats/house and my mum stayed at home while my Dad worked in engineering. My Dad told me there was a class divide at work, the office workers got to go to lunch first so had lots of choice in the canteen, whereas the factory workers got to go second when there wasn't a lot of food left. My Dad said it annoyed him as the factory boys had worked up an appetite, whereas the office boys (suits) had sat on their backsides all morning.

    My Dad never had a bank account, he got paid every Thursday when the pay van turned up at work and gave everyone their brown envelope. I remember on occasion when we al went out to get some food on Payday as we had nothing in the cupboard, and when we got back the dog had eaten the pay packet with the rest of the weekly pay in it. We had no money, no food, the bills needed paying, and we had to borrow money off a neighbour until the dog did what dogs do and my Dad rescued the money and went to the post office and they gave him a form to claim the money back from the bank of england.

    Me, now when I was at school I had 3 jobs, paper round, bottle up boy in local pub, and labourer for a landscape gardener. When I left school I got a job in a Bank and have never done a manual job since then. I was a Bank Manager for 15 years before I got a job working for head office. I own a house, drive a £20k motor, the wife also has a car. We don't have huge amounts of money as the cost of living down here is so high and my wife has a medical condition that means she spends money. She tells me it is quite rare, so I take her word it is an illness:)

    So, am I working class or middle class? I feel like I am still working class. But others would disagree.
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    stateofplay, with all due respect, you are in a class of your own. You are a banker.
    lol
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    It used to be something to be proud of, but these days it may as well be called "leprosy Manager". I moved into Head Office as I didn't want to spend my whole day harassing young staff members into selling naff insurance policies to poor unsuspecting customers.
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    Thanks for your contribution, albeit ****!

    15 year i worked for British coal, working in god awfull condition's, try blowing your nose after a shift underground and see what's in the tissue, its not nice, and thats after wearing a dust mask for all the shift. I worked in several pits, the first was always partially flooded, wellington boots were the foot wear of choice. It was a cold miserable place where you had to wear donkey jackets to keep warm. I then worked at the selby coalfield, where the mine's were a lot deeper, this mean't on the whole they were hot and dry, but with much more dust. After travelling underground to your place of work, you stripped down to shorts and a vest to do your shift. You could be that hot and sweaty that the dust in the air would stick to you, making you resemble a mud man. As you travelled out you would dry and the mud would dry and crumble off.

    I was lucky, my dad insisted that my brother and me learn a trade, so we both joined as apprentice electricians and luckily when i left the pits it helped me gain a decent job. I have built on that to where i am now. Yes i have a £40k car in the garage, its paid for on the back of 30 odd years of hard work. That also include 365 days on strike, where you learn how to make interesting meals out of potatoes and beans.

    DON'T TELL ME WHAT I'M NOT, thanks for your time!
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    BOOM!!
    Oh, and wot he said ^^^^^
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    Congratulations on the most stupid contribution to the thread thus far.
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    Apparantley me too. "Ok ya"
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    It has me down as 'established middle class'. FFS!!
    I am now going to pull on my riding boots and have Arthur fetch me my crop so that my trusty steed and I can go and ''smash the oik's''.
    Established middle class my ar*e!! My conservative wife has just spat chablis all over the dog when she saw my result!!
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    One is most definately amused :applaus:
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    I come up as 'middle class', thought I would be a pauper, now my S3 is 'only' worth around £4k tops! :laugh:
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    [Apr 12, 2013]
    Does class matter?

    We get on, have a laugh and kind to each other.

    Surly that's all that is important?
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    Class most certainly does not matter and yes getting on count more, take the test for a bit of fun though. If you think this thread has been divisive you should see some of the reaction to the class survey on the BBC, lots of unhappy people. I have to say it was spot on for me, other than that average age of Technical Middle Class being 53, I seem to have joined that club 13 years early!
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    The thread is steering away a bit here.

    Class? Don't make me chortle. I've been military for nigh on 20 years, there are 2 classes - officers and oiks (I proudly sit in the latter, rather than with the chinless wonders called Giles and Tarquin)

    On the original subject, as a soldier, I think Maggie was brilliant and at least stood up for what she felt was right. Mind you, my politics are slightly to the right of Ghengis Kahn. Compared to her, modern politicians just seem watered down.

    However, I'm not stupid enough to think there aren't two sides to every argument and my opinion isn't always correct, but like anyone who makes hard decisions she was divisive, seemingly in death as she was in life. No modern politician will polarise opinion so strongly as they're too scared to offend anyone.

    I'd salute the lady, she deserved it......
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    I think ESD made a fair point, and sums up a lot of this Thatcher shenanigans.
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    I'd made a decision to stay away form this thread given that my last contribution went down like a lead balloon, but given that its come back again - i'll chuck another tuppence in.

    Think the problem with my earlier point was that it was probably far too 'general' and scathing. I would stress though that it was neither intended to be a dig at that particular person or offensive in any way.

    As has been said - the whole 'class' thing these days is completely different these days and this perhaps illustrates the very original point I made in this thread about a different generation now.

    What I will say though is that, at least from my own perspective anyway, the modern day equivilent of the working class are the folk who are slaving away bursting a gut for 40/50 hours a week for £6.19 an hour with very little in the way of prospects or oppurtunities.

    For these folk, living that lifestyle, the idea of a £40k car or even a home with a garage to keep it in, is a fairytale.

    Absolutely no offence was meant to Mr Freeze - and I'll conceed that there will indeed be folk who probably fall under the original definition of working class who could get themselves in to a position such as his - fair play to him for it.

    But, for the modern day generation, and the modern day equivilent of 'working class', I still dont feel that £40k cars are a typical example of what these folk can achieve purely with hard graft.

    You dont have to agree with me, but do me a favour, at least respect my right to have an opinion on the matter before you decide i'm stupid or thick or whatever else.
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    It was the post I thought was stupid; not you. I agree with much of what you have said second time around. :beerchug:
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    Having met Mr Freeze I can confirm that in fact he has no class...... ha ha ha ha ha ha he's actually a lovely guy with a wicked sense of humour and he's 6ft 4...... and built like a brick shiezenhousen. Fingers crossed for tomorrow, hope it all goes off peacefully and Mrs Thatcher is laid to rest.....terrible new from Boston, same city that established Noraid and donated millions to the IRA...... America is now tasting terrorism first hand, nobody and I mean nobody deserves to be blown to pieces by anybody and the 'cause' they claim to represent. Sad days
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    How can you say America is now tasting terrorism first hand? 1995 Oklahoma bombing,9/11,1996 Atlanta olympics,and any other number of home grown incidents( yes I know 9/11 wasn't home grown but just trying to highlight a point)
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    mmmm... fair enough, good points, well made. Boston has never experienced anything like this, guess that was my point.
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    I agree, and also that the London marathon is successful and uneventful on Sunday.
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    Is there a free bar? I heard it is costing £14 million, so I assume there must be a free bar?
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    ha ha ha ha ha ha that my friend, is brilliant..... ha ha ha ha ha ha
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    Yes there is but us peasants are not allowed in
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    :wub: :kiss:

    Stop it Robbie, you'll make me blush!

    I think i've made my feelings known how i feel about Thatcher, whatever my class................or no class!

    As for it costing £14mil, i know more than a few that would have buried her for free......

    Bye Bye Thatcher.........."Ding dong the witch is dead"
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    Mr Freeze is having a street party.......yer all invited, even you voorhees you peasant.......:beerchug:ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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    Can I just remind every one who wants to exercise their rights of free speech to air their views.

    With freedom comes great responsibility to use it wisely. This is a public forum which means anyone and everyone can views what's posted. Preview what you are about to post and ask yourself what impression your post gives about you.




    We are experiencing a lot of complaints about the views expressed on this thread and if it keeps up I will remove it.
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    Someone made a joke........
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    the complete and utter b***ards, let's roll.... Mods rule, you've been judged
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    Maybe a Kimber 1911, Benelli M2, just about see the rear site of what looks like a Mauser K98 and the folding stock of possibly a Bushmaster AR in the background.

    Yes I know, I should get out more :yes:
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    ha ha ha ha ha ha..... you see, laughter does make the world go round:beerchug:

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