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Discussion in 'A3/S3/Sportback (8P Chassis)' started by S3eddiet, Oct 25, 2013.

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    anyone any eider as to how much BHP i would be putting out with the above done to my s3.

    turbo back miltek and no other mods apart from stage 2 remap which is needed with this exhaust as far as i have been led to believe.

    thanks in advance,
    ed
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    Hi Ed,

    Stg2+ is the HPFP upgrade,plus Stg2 mods,and will give you an average of 360-370bhp,and around 360-380lbs torque.
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    stage2 is nothing much to like really... as you sacrifice a lot of low end and mid range torque due to weak fuel pump, only above 5k i noticed improvement, not to mention fueling problems and else, go straight stage2+ and you wont be disappointed, How stupid was I thinking that stage2 is something in between stage1 & 2+. Its just stage1.5 with extra noise;).
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    im not sure what has all been dont, i just know it is a miltek turbo back, i am not even sure if it has been remapped and if there is a way i can check and tell if it has been done.
    what would i need to do if i was to go for the stage 2+ map and what benefits would i notice?
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    You'll get not only more power,but a LOT of extra midrange torque,right where the car needs it.

    Any tuner should be able to tell you if it's been previously mapped,and to be honest,there would be no point in fitting a full exhaust otherwise.
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    thanks for the info Alex, i have only had her for 3 weeks and the miltek was already fitted, if it is just the miltek that is fitted would i be better getting anything ells done before i go for a stage 2+ map? is the stage 2+ map a base map or will it be set up for the way my car runs and the mods that are on here?
    sorry for all the questions :)
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    2+ requires a cold air intake and upgraded high pressure fuel pump. Probably looking at £600ish for the pair - depends if you spot some second hand bargains!

    The Stage 2+ map is designed to work with those mods, and has a degree of flexibility in terms of being set up to work with your car, within a defined set of parameters.
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    will it make it better on fuel or will it drink a bit more?
    old subaru sti ppp+ driver with 380 bhp so i am used to drinking the fuel but would be nice to drink a little less
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    Stage 2+ revo or (Stage 3 shark) on a manual car requires the following:
    Full turbo back exhaust, this includes the downpipe & sports cat. Approx £1200 (Miltek)
    High pressure fuel pump and cam follower. Approx £600 (Loba)
    Cold air intake system (CAI) Approx £250-400 - many makes to choose from however the one AMD designed (do a search) has been proven to give good gains on a standard system let alone a mapped one!
    The Remap either REVO or shark, shark is cheaper at £400, revo is £600 or £150 to upgrade if you already have the software.

    AND If your cars manual and running a standard clutch you will need to uprate the clutch for anything above stage 1 power. DSG as far as im lead to belive is fine :)

    Thats the minimum really for stage 2+, anything extra like Uprated intercoolers is a bonus but in this country its hardly necessary unless your running seriously big power on an uprated turbo & internals.

    Hope that helps!
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    No worries.

    You need someone to take a look at the car and see what software(if any)is already on it,and also to find out if the HPFP has been upgraded.

    As has already been said,for Stg2+,you need the exhaust,CAI and HPFP,and you will definitely need to budget on a new clutch(assuming that it hasn't been changed by the previous owner).

    A Stg2+ map can simply be loaded,and left with generic settings,but is far better to be set up on a dyno,and then logged on the road also.
    Any decent tuner would check the car over first,then put it on the RR,and find out what it's doing,before going any further.

    If you use all of the extra power,it will return poorer MPG figures,but it's easy to simply use the extra torque,and get an improvement instead.
    Mine for instance,can still do 30+mpg on the drag into work,but if it's pushed it will get into the low 20s or less.
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    Alex, I think my Revo 2+ torque seems pretty low 335 lbft in comparison to some of the quoted figures on here. What's the stage 2 Revo torque figures?

    bit off topic, sorry.
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    Figures from Revo website:

    [TABLE="width: 432, align: left"]
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    Power (bhp)
    [/TD]
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    Power (kW)
    [/TD]
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    Torque (lbft)
    [/TD]
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    Torque (Nm)
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="bgcolor: transparent"]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Stock OE[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    260​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    194​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    258​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    350​
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Stage 1[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    305​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    227​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    312​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    423​
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Stage 2[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    335​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    250​
    [/TD]
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    310​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    420​
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]Stage 2+[/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    367​
    [/TD]
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    274​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    353​
    [/TD]
    [TD="bgcolor: transparent"]
    479​
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    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    # Dyno tolerance +/- 5%NOTE: Revo Power is dependant on fuel quality and Performance Settings
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    Cheers, about 20 lbft short but could be down to the dyno/conditions on the day I presume.
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    As you say.....don't be overly worried by it,as all sorts of factors make an impact on power and torque,and 20lbs amounts to a few percent on the day.

    My car struggled to make even the stock power on it's first trip to a dyno,before being mapped,and each time after made just about what it was expected to,but things like air temp,fuel,heat soak,tyres,etc etc all play their part.
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    Just as a side note what do people think to the auto tech HPFP? It's much cheaper than the Loba!!
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    The Autotech's only drawback is that it's a kit,which uses parts of the existing pump(i.e. the housing),and it absolutely MUST be put together carefully,in a clean environment.

    If that's done,it's reliable,and capable of flowing sufficient fuel for over 500bhp.....I have one on my car.


    Right now though,if I was buying again,it would be the Loba I'd choose.
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    I'll be honest only went for it because I'd read reviews about it on here. I wouldn't know a good HPFP if it hit me between the eyes.
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    Like I said below...the Autotech has worked very nicely for me over some yrs now,but it was built up by AMDTuning,and not by my own fair hands!

    For anyone who hasn't got the expertise or facilities,I'd go for the Loba every time now.
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    Yeah the Autotech pumps worked well for me so far. I got a tuner to fit mine too.
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