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  1. I oOEddOo I
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    Hi folks, I currently have a 2.0tfsi sline S tronic just wondering what will be the estimate cost of installing the software.

    I heard about going on stage 1 it is good for fuel economy.:thumbsup:

    Many thanks :laugh:
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    How come some cars are £199, and others can be as dear as £499? I've got a 2.0 TFSI as well, and I think they are one of the dearer ones. I wonder if it's just based on £'s per bhp, so the bigger the gain the more you pay, even though it takes the same amount of time to load a stage 1 generic map.
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    £499 is just acceptable but a friend of mine has a Golf GTI Mk6 cost him £600 :O
    I think 600 is over the top just for a map under 500 is alright i think
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    interesting as i have just started to research this.... i'm edging towards GIAC though for some reason, stilll need to look into it more - any commentary?
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    personally id say evolve, as thats what ive got and its a staggering map!!
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    Can of worms stuff innit? Everyone's got their opinions. You should try the trial remap from Revo & see what you think. I tried it & now have a GIAC map, which I'm very happy with, as its dead smooth all through the range. Not everyones cup of tea, but I love it. I got the remap, the hand held device with 2 modes, uprated spark plugs & a panel filter for £650 all in.
    You've got the highly regarded GIAC guys at Stattler down the road from you - surely it's worth a visit / drool down there as well?

    Plenty of very happy Revo boys & girls on here though and the gains from N8s Shark Performance maps sounded mighty interesting...

    Good luck with the research...:readit:
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    cheers mate, and yes they were mentioned to me before....

    Always gone against Revo, their trial on the 8L was said to revert back to 'their' version of standard rather than the OEM they had replaced..... for this reason i have never fancied going 'nuts deep' , also the progression software (Stage 2,2+ and3) i had assumed would be more restricted than your vagcheck etc maps, purely because they will have to let their dealers operate within parameters so as to protect their business.....

    thanks for the advice :)
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    Folks Revo or Apr ???
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    I've no experience of APR at all other than seriously considering it when I went with GIAC - after selling APR software for years, Awesome went Revo recently, so less APR choice now anyway.

    Animal - that's one of the things I wsn't too keen on either - my trial Revo map didn't revert back to OEM, but the GIAC did from stage 1 when I switched it back for servicing etc FWIW. Not that the OEM map's any good with all the hardware of stage 2 and beyond though, which is pretty essential for the S3!
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    the only issue ive heard with the revo trial, is that ive heard it can cause issues if you try to go for a different map after, not tried it myself, but its what ive read somewhere

    and as the trial only give you about 60-80% of the maps true potential seems a bit pointless, and as well a map takes 50-100 odd miles to fully settle so again your not going to get a real feel for it
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    Best to go for Revo then
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    yeah with the Revo trial i have heard of ECU's having to be taken out to be bench flashed as the OBD port would not allow access.... several 8L cars i know of have had this issue

    Revo = corporate giant that's too big for it's boots in my eyes - and with any large company chasing profit, more restrictions will appear - i heard off the grapevine that JBS was one of the biggest Revo suppliers back in the day, turning to their own because Revo refused to let them 'widen' the parameters - if this is indeed true then it just confirms their business model to me. For all the push and limited rev range action the Revo gave on the 8L S3 (sure it feels nice), my CC map side by side was almost exactly the same (literally nothing in it), just delivered the power over the rev range instead via a smoother map, confirmed on several A1 runs with Jim (whitesdetails?) when he had his Hibiscus Red S3
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    Revo does have a good rep, but as with many things there is more then one way to skin a cat, ive not gone head to head with a like for like Revo'd car, but the figures my car produces are pretty good testament to the map its running, best thing you can do is try and get a ride in a couple of peoples cars that are running different maps to see what they are like
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    ok
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    Which remap centre are open on a sunday round wiltshire , somerset , dorset area
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    The trial was fine for me - various people were recommending to go for the trial having had it themselves. My trial map made a big difference straight away, so did have a benefit for me in showing what extra was there in the car ready to be exploited! Just didn't want to go the Revo route.

    I had my GIAC map afterwards, which seemed to flash on okay. They just said the ECU had reverted back to a REVO OEM equivalent, rather than the OEM map.
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    +1

    Used Evolve for a couple of my non Audi cars as well and there maps are solid and i dare say you'll get more performance.
    Nice guys too :)
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    haha liking the map then Matt
    im itching to get my exhaust finished and a decent fuel pump in and then let Imran work his magic, see if i can shock the Revo's again haha
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    is it worth kitting a standard car out with fuel pump, CAI and DP first before mapping then? otherwise i'd guess theres double the mapping cost involved - assuming GIAC or Evolve
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    if you can afford all that in one go (including the map) then go for it, its the best way, but even with all those parts, without a map your really not going to notice much at all be, a waste without a map really.
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    its never going to be without a map, i have neve been bothered about mapping until someone took me out in their stage 1 8L.... just prefer to get it done and dusted in one hit...i reckon £1500 should do it shouldn't it?
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    haha and the rest mate, that will do your milltek TBE, ok a quick break down, these are without fitting
    Milltek TBE: £1350
    CAI :£300-£350
    HPFP internals only: £250ish depending where you go
    map £300-500
    and probably within 3-6 months a clutch & flywheel: £700

    so about 3K before anything has been fitted... this is why mot do it in stages
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    Superchips anyone experience that??
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    sh*t, **** and bo**ox :( .... i was thinking uprated DP and standard system (which isnt that restrictive is it?) (£500), CAI and F pump (£4-500) then map (£500).....

    Although i haven't spent a great deal of time researching admittedly - most of the fitting i can do myself, DP I can get done easily enough on mates work ramp - clutch/fly hopefully wont be an issue as i am hoping to have an S-tronic to play with. That said i've never been heavily into modded cars preferring to keep as much visible stuff as OEM as possible.

    Thoughts?
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    ideally you need the full TBE, you may be able to get away with the DP & cat, but thats 750 in itself, just a dp wont be enough as the standard cat will kill the flow
    cai & hpfp will be 600 at very best
    the s-tronic should be fine then, wont have to worry about that going as far as i know, they are meant to be pretty much bullet proof!
    and if you can do it yourself then your under your only going to be a bit over your budget by the time youve mapped it
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    Might want to figure in the cost of a new turbo too later in the cars life!
    Exhaust housing on my K03 was cracked and the turbine blad f00ked. Apparently from all the extra heat,- remap related. Not even recon'able. Got a low mileage one hopefully its ok to be hybridded.
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    this all sounds good before ive bought the damned thing haha.....

    First thing on the list will be an RNS-E if i cant spec one, next will be some winter tyres and rims for an Alps trip in December...modding takes a distant 3rd ATM :)
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    I went with Revo for my 2.0tfsi, I have no complaints! But then I havn't come accross any other cars like for like that may have other maps to have a comparison against.
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    Mapping cost shouldn't double as you do further mods fella - my new GIAC maps to account for more uprated hardware have all been free since I paid the first (stage 1) remap cost. Revo are similar - I think some charge a further £50 or so for their time.

    Keep an eye out - stuff does come up regularly second hand - I got my nearly new Milltek TBE for £600 & paid £150 to modify it from a SB to my 3dr & get it fitted. Nearly new CAIs often come up. And you can get new custom TBEs from £850...

    Enjoy...
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    cost should def not be double, revo is and extra £50 per-stage, so 600 to get to stg 2+

    my tuner, Evolve, im not sure as ive not had a chat with them yet about further mods/mapping as im currently working on brakes/suspension as i want to be able to make the most of the extra power, the way i see it there is no point of having the extra grunt, if you have to brake a lot earlier and enter slower just to get round the corner...
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    cheers guys, lots of good info there.....i've not spoken to any tuners yet as not got the car, so not sure what im working with, if the S tronic search goes on and on for like 6 months, i may end up with a manual which i wont mod beyond S1.

    Jungle....i suppose it depends when and how you use the power, brakes and susp are never bad ideas at all, i just know that i personally wouldn't see the direct benefit as i only tend to use the power on the straights.....im guessing these brakes are better than my 8L ones :) bloody hope so haha - even then i don't get the most out of these as it is.....

    What are the rods like on these, ok for S2+?
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    the brakes on the S3 are pretty good, tho with a bit of hard use do fade pretty badly, but you can just go with some better pads and fluid and that will sort you out pretty well, ideally go with DS2500 and steer well clear of EBC's, only reason i got a BBK is it was the deal on the century

    the stock suspension on the S3 is pretty good to be fair, so unless your going to be tracking it you can probably leave it stock, but i will go coilovers as i do like a good country blast and will be abusing it on the alps this summer!

    the S3 internals are good for stg 3 so anything upto 450hp and you shouldn't have any problems
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    EBC are the ones that detach from the pads aren't they :) will most likely stay OEM to be fair...unless they prove next to useless - i usually drive within the limits of the car unless someone pushes me on a straight ;)

    oooh im hoping to do the Alps, around December time though so susp will be least of my worries - with that in mind i'll need a spare set of wheels (for winter tyres) if you see any cheapies pop up :)
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    oh not heard of them doing that haha from what ive read they fade worse then the OEM ones and seen a few videos on youtube of them catching fire on heavy use on down hill mountain runs... EBC & Alps = bad idea lol
    they are far from useless!! they stop the car really well and if your mainly a straight line driver you wont be getting a build up of heat in them so fade shouldnt be a problem

    ooo you sure you can do that, i think they close a lot of the passes in the winter months, but as ive never done it i could be wrong, yea if your able to do it your really will need some winter rubber! if your going winter, may be worth looking at getting some reps (sorry N8) otherwise you may just end up with some sport rims that imo would look really really odd on a facelift S3
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    yup there was something on the 8L's a few years ago where the pad became detached...EBC never admitted it yet pulled the entire range/fitment for the car at the time.....

    We're off on a skiing Holiday so will only be driving to the resort, but i think your right, they do close some of the passes - Stelvio is definately shut for 6-8 months pa isn't it? And the winter tyres are no longer optional unfortunately - driving through Germany and Austria - the first years trip is going to be the expensive one :) was thinking of getting some pre facelifts as they seem to be more readily available, although might consider 17" as a possiblity due to the costs involved
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    My views on those pads are probably well known around here,and I think others have the same views....OK as paper weights but no better than the OEM pads for overall performance.
    Please DON'T waste your money on anything less than a good uprated brake kit,as you'll regret doing anything less if you do go for Stg2+ or above

    Suspension...like a number of others here I had the kW v3 system and H&R ARBs fitted to mine,which goes a long way towards sorting out the understeer,and then a Haldex controller to iron out the rest...that makes a BIG difference,but the nett result is nearly £2k and the brake kit will set you back about the same.

    Unfortunately,big brakes and big power = big costs.
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    ah so no 'problem' but they pulled the range... funny that

    yea i heard about germany slipping that rule in, quick way to add a grand to your holiday! but least with the way things seem to be going here they could be a worthwhile investment!
    yea they close loads, just got no idea what ones, sure there is a list somewhere tho lol
    well im guessing youve got plenty of time... a year or so, so least your not in a real rush to find the wheels and can wait till the right set comes up
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    Its not the power that bends the rods its the torque, 400 -lb ft is about the limit on standard internals, it also depends on how aggressive the map with the boost low down.
    If you had a nice progressive map on BT such a GT30 which was well within its limits you could run a map with well over 400 bhp on standard internals as long the torque curve at the bottom end was quite weak.
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    the only reason i mentioned hp is because i couldnt remember what lb/ft Alex has in his BT, only could remember it was about 440hp
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