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    [May 11, 2006]
    Well off topic of but as i picked up my new A3 today i thought i'd treat myself to a speeding ticket.

    96mph on the motorway which is 1mph over what would have been just a fixed penalty (£60) & 6 points.

    The kind officer didnt seem to think i would get much more but it still has to goto court.

    Anyone had similar - if so what was the damage??

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    oh dear - did you tell him you was just running it in and get adjusted to the new car like that nob head copper did and got away with it..
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    A fixed penalty is only 3 points.
    Anything over 85mph usually has to go to court unless you can plead with the copper for an FP.
    You'll get 6 points in court and the fine will be based on your disposable income. Technically you could get a ban depending on the county it wa sin, but unlikely unless you're already on 6 points.
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    great! How do they classify disposable income? - i thought it was funny that he asked me my occupation - i told him jokingly that i was a chimney sweep, There was brief laughter on his part.

    County was North Yorkshire if that makes a difference?
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    They send you a form and you have to right everything on it how much you eran how much your mrs earns how much you pay out a month on phone cable petrol insurance, its a nightmare form
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    They send you a form and you have to right everything on it how much you eran how much your mrs earns how much you pay out a month on phone cable petrol insurance, its a nightmare form

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    Cool.

    If fines are based on disposable income,they'd end up paying me £60 !
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    [May 15, 2006]
    From experience, you'll be looking at 5 to 6 points and £300 - £500 fine.

    My mate who is pretty skint got 6 points and £550 fine for 94.5mph on the deserted M67.

    I went for the Ban instead for my 104mph , got 2 weeks - but no points! (plus £300 fine).
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    [May 15, 2006]
    And how did it affect your insurance Miket?
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    ahhhh the m67,

    it must have been the middle of the night to get up to 94; i usually only get up to 40 before i hit a wall of traffic!!!!!


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    [May 16, 2006]
    Got caught last week doing 92 on the motorway.. gave me 3pts and a £60 fine. No mention of occupation, no mention of court... maybe I was lucky??!
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    That's because he gave you a fixed penalty ticket as you were under 95mph!
    95+ on the motorway and they can't issue an FP and you have to go to court and plead your case, so usually more points and heavier fine based on income etc.
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    It all depends on the copper i have been stopped several times for going more than 95mph on the motorway and the worst I have recieved is a FP 3 pointer.

    I've also been done for doing almost 3 times the speed limit on a road and only got a 3 pointer for that. And before anyone gets on thier high horse the road shouldn't be the limit it is and I know I was being bloody stupid!

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    Seems you have been very lucky or are a good negotiator
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    [May 17, 2006]
    £135 fine plus £35 court costs plus 3 points for doing 80mph in a 70mph on the A1. Camera van. Offered a FP of 3 and £60 but thought I would let it go to court and take a chance that the 6 months would elapse without a court date, in which case I'd get away with it. 5 months and 2 weeks later I got a court date. Based on income so lucky old me had the fine doubled and had to pay the standard court costs too.

    Would try it again though as it has worked for a friend of mine.
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    And how did it affect your insurance Miket?

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    Going from a clean licence to 3 points for speeding and a separate 2 week ban for speeding in one year, my insurance went up from 500 to 700 pounds.

    The insurers told me that they regard 6 points or a 4 week ban to be the same level of penalty.

    Not too bad.
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    I've now got 6 points on my licence from 2 fixed penalty tickets from mobile vans. I've told my insurance company (NU Direct) and they have not charged me any additional premium.
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    Getting nicked by coppers is one thing,but I can never understand how anyone can get done by a fixed camera or mobile van,given the visibility guidelines they have to comply with these days.
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    The mobile van's down south are cunning swines and are placed deliberatley in view round a tight bend for example!

    On one stretch of road there is a fixed camera and you often find a copper sat 15 yards in front of it with a mobile device, they site on an island in the middle of the road just after a bend, hidden by tree's so theyt are only actually in clear sight when you are on top of them.

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    The mobile van's down south are cunning swines and are placed deliberatley in view round a tight bend for example!

    On one stretch of road there is a fixed camera and you often find a copper sat 15 yards in front of it with a mobile device, they site on an island in the middle of the road just after a bend, hidden by tree's so theyt are only actually in clear sight when you are on top of them.

    J.

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    Bowfer, visible my aris, apperently if they are 'non profit making' then they do not have to be visible. Take the one on the A90 that hides in a farmers shed behind the hay bails......i kid you not /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

    MB, yep the way they got me in January /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif
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    The mobile van's down south are cunning swines and are placed deliberatley in view round a tight bend for example!

    On one stretch of road there is a fixed camera and you often find a copper sat 15 yards in front of it with a mobile device, they site on an island in the middle of the road just after a bend, hidden by tree's so theyt are only actually in clear sight when you are on top of them.

    J.

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    Bowfer, visible my aris, apperently if they are 'non profit making' then they do not have to be visible. Take the one on the A90 that hides in a farmers shed behind the hay bails......i kid you not /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

    MB, yep the way they got me in January /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/frown.gif

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    I dunno what is meant by 'non-profit making' Japper.

    If they are part of the hypothecation scheme,wherein part of the proceeds gets 'kept' by whatever region is applicable,then they have to comply with visibility rules i.e.;

    Must be on a straight of a minimum length (no hiding on corners),must have fixed or temporary signs warning you of their presence within a certain distance of the 'trap',speed limits signs must be visible with a certain distance of the 'trap',the vans themselves must be visible and must be seen to be police vans,and not disguised as bakers vans or hire vans etc.etc.

    I certainly see a fair few mobile traps in my travels around here (the 30mph entry to Peterculter,the 30mph Lang Stracht and the 60mph zone from Westhill towards Garlogie being the most popular) and they all comply with the rules/guidelines.

    I'd be the first to stop the car and give them grief if they didn't,believe you me.

    I can only go by my experiences,and my experiences are I'd have to leave my glasses at home to get done by them.

    Hopefully I'm not tempting fate as I like my clean licence !
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    I'd be the first to stop the car and give them grief if they didn't,believe you me.


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    We do /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
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    the ones on the A1 that probably got Dave are particularly tricky to spot, they have the dull yellow/orange tinged signs on them but 80% of the sign is black and as both rear doors are open its pretty tricky to see the little beggars

    Grrrrr
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    the ones on the A1 that probably got Dave are particularly tricky to spot, they have the dull yellow/orange tinged signs on them but 80% of the sign is black and as both rear doors are open its pretty tricky to see the little beggars

    Grrrrr

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    And is there warning signs (fixed or temporary) in the area before the vans ?
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    I'd be the first to stop the car and give them grief if they didn't,believe you me.


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    We do /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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    I have done actually... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/blush.gif

    They had obviously turned their van around to catch people coming from a northerly direction,but their temporary warning sign was still behind them,warning people coming from the south.

    ****** to that.If they want us to play by the rules,so can they.Lazy sods obviously couldn't be bothered moving their sign.

    Honestly though,they took ages to open the door of their van.

    When they did,there was one copper/'safety' camera operative that wouldn't take his eyes off the camera lens,and a weedy bloke in civvies making marks on a piece of paper,counting the number of people they'd caught.

    Very scientific ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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    the ones on the A1 that probably got Dave are particularly tricky to spot, they have the dull yellow/orange tinged signs on them but 80% of the sign is black and as both rear doors are open its pretty tricky to see the little beggars

    Grrrrr

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    And is there warning signs (fixed or temporary) in the area before the vans ?

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    Yup - there are fixed "safety" camera warning signs, trouble is, they cover most of A1!
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    the ones on the A1 that probably got Dave are particularly tricky to spot, they have the dull yellow/orange tinged signs on them but 80% of the sign is black and as both rear doors are open its pretty tricky to see the little beggars

    Grrrrr

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    And is there warning signs (fixed or temporary) in the area before the vans ?

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    Yup - there are fixed "safety" camera warning signs, trouble is, they cover most of A1!

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    In that case,you take your chances that there may,at any time,be a van present.

    The temporary ones are much better.

    As soon as you see one of those,slam the brakes on ! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/angel.gif
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    My two tickets were both by mobile vans. One was in Sandy on the A1 between the two fixed cameras. There are signs well before the first fixed camera but that is all. In this case the van was parked on rough ground by the side of the northbound carriageway, with both back doors wide open. It is only when you get closer than you can see it's a camera van and by then it's too late. Booked for 56mph in a 50mph limit on a dual-carriageway.

    The second was in West Midlands and again the van was parked with both rear doors open and the only signs were 'general' speed limit/camera signs. This particular van was parked in a layby looking at the brow of a hill. As soon as you come over the brow and before you realise that the white van with the door open is a camera van your booked. Again 57mph in a 50mph dual-carriageway road in the middle of nowhere.

    Fixed cameras are no real problem because I use a PDA/GPS setup to warn of camera sites. In over 40 years of driving I have only ever been caught twice before and both by un-marked police cars in 40mph limits.

    Roll on June when I can drive 900 miles to Austria and not see a single camera and on some stretches of autobahn with no speed limit.
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    Mobile traps do not have to comply with the rules governing fixed cameras. By the time you see them they've already clocked you.
    I don't have a problem with fixed camera's and have never been done on one.
    Mobile traps are purely money making as if they are genuinely sighted at accident blackspots then surely they should put up a fixed camera.
    I have both GPS RA2 and a laser jammer, so I know exactly how far away they can target you and it is way before you can spot them (up to 2 miles on a motorway bridge)
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    Being caught doing 56mph on a 50mph zone is abit harsh?? Surely a warning would have sufficed...

    Unlucky mate
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    That's the other problem with mobile traps. The vans are actually manned by civil servants, not police, taking time out from their traffic warden day job and Sunday league refereeing.
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    Sunday league refereeing.

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    You think speeding is hash in the UK..try the USA, one mm inside a speed controlled zone and your caught 1mph over the posted limited.. your 'nicked'. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cry.gif

    Anyway, up to us to keep an eye on the clocks.. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif


    If no one speeded then there would be no need for cameras etc.. rest my case
    Can see drivers, and reading beteween the lines on forums (come admit you prob do this to) many drivers knowingly speed by a few mph, thinking it's okay,as they will not be nicked... /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/10_1_114.gif
    Would your driving style / views change on speeding if it was you or your family involved in a shunt???

    Do the crime, Do the time! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/fuck_you.gif
    So stop winging /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/ok.gif
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    I think most reasonable drivers would be happy to obay the speed limits if the were reasonable.

    But near where I live they have lowered the speed limit from 70 to 60 on the main A1, where it is a dual carraigeway with no junctions. And low and behold, a few weeks after the limit was changed, up pops 2 fixed speed cameras.

    If speed limits were reasonable and consistent with even the use of different speed limits at different times particulary outside schools etc most drivers would respect them.

    On German autobahns long stretches have no speed limit at all, but when a limit is imposed it is done for a genuine reason and German drivers slow down accordingly and their autobahns are just as busy as our motorways and the standard of driving is much better. Because cars can go very fast in the outside lane other drivers do not sit in that lane going nowhere. It's a case of pull out, overtake and then pull back in. Also long stretches have 'No overtaking by Lorries' which leaves two complete lanes for faster traffic rather than one lorry just below the limit at 55mph and another spending ages trying to overtake at 56mph.

    Also the accident rate in this country has started to go up again dispite all the so called 'safety cameras'. A driver driving quickly and concentrating on his/her driving is far safer than a one who is driving within the speed limit but talking on a hand held phone, constantly looking sideways whilst talking to their passenger, watching telvision on their sat-nav screen etc etc.
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    Well put Dave.
    MrLapou have you ever visited the planet earth?
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    Booked for 56mph in a 50mph limit on a dual-carriageway.


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    That's just mean! But I can beat it - a visitor to Fort William (Highlands) was booked at 34 in a 30 last week... don't think he'll be visiting again /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/burningmad.gif

    And they wonder why the public have lost respect for the police /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif
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    [May 19, 2006]
    How much you guys pay for tickets in UK? I just recieved my first with my Audi, $242 CAN for going 108KM/h on a 80KM/h freeway (about 65m/h in a 50m/h zone) But your currency is usually double ours, so is £121 GBP expensive for a ticket. I think we get ripped off here in Canada, photo radar is a joke, but at least your insurance doesn't go up from those. I pay $355 ( £177) a month for insurance. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/shocked.gif


    Sometimes i can afford gas. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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    A fixed penalty notice is £60 if you end up in court it can be whatever!

    J.
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    They have started lowering the speed limits around here for no good reason, except that it mkes it easier to nab people for speeding
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    neil.c If one sticks to the limit, there would be no nabbing !!!
    'do the crime and face the fine' /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/jump.gif

    David Robertson, I think you hit the nail on the head, standard of driving in the UK has dropped and with all the toys in cars (sat nav, media consoles and mobile phones etc) the stupid driver has more distractions while driving!!!!! /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/bravo.gif

    Andy Mac, well looks like you 'live in a world of your own'... need I say more ????? : /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/fuck_you.gif
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    In some respects you are right MrLapou. We complain about speed cameras being here there and everywhere, but driving the 100 miles from Swindon to my home yesterday along the A361 and A422, I think I came across perhaps 3 or 4 cameras. That gave me ample opportunity to drive like a complete loon, even in locations that were clearly dangerous if I wanted to. If I get caught, it's my bl00dy fault, as most cameras stick out like a saw thumb.

    However, the point is that many cameras are in locations of no benefit, other than the financial one. And where there should be cameras there are often none.

    But what about our extremely shoddy road markings and signs? Every couple of miles I see blind corners with a broken centre dividing line, or turnings and cross roads with little warning. Why doesn't the UK use overtaking signs, like the rest of the world? If you are stuck behind a lorry on an A road, what are you going to see first - the no overtaking centre line or the sign? Or how about the crappy A road driving of most people in this country? Tailgaiting each other so no one has a chance to over take, unless they push in - and of course then they complain. Or how about people (especially lorry drivers it seems) who refuse to use their full beam at night so you have no idea that a overtaking opportunity is coming up.

    I think there is a lot more that can be done in addition to the appropriate use of the safety camera 'miracle cure'. In cities, however, I'd stick a camera every 100 yards and reduce speed limits within cities to 30mph everywhere, and 20mph off main roads. That's were people's lives are at risk. Everywhere else, it is mostly the driver putting their own life at risk.
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