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So could the new RS3 be a 2.0 litre?

steeve Mar 29, 2014

  1. steeve

    steeve Well-Known Member TeamMisano Team Ibis Audi S3

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    Audi have produced a TT Sport Quattro concept, with a 420bhp version of the 2.0 litre engine.
    So could the new RS3 be a four cylinder 2.0 litre car?

    There also seem to be many changes to the TT four wheel drive system. with the ability to make the car more rear wheel driven.

    Steve
     
  2. Av4nt

    Av4nt Well-Known Member Team V10 Team Sprint Audi S6 quattro saloon s tronic

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    420 from a 2 litre dayum! surely there must be some strain on parts somewhere there lol
     
  3. ConS3

    ConS3 Active Member

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    Audi have already confirmed the RS3 will use the five pot, so no.
     
  4. Stephen C

    Stephen C Active Member

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    It should really be, considering what can be extracted from a 2.0 (A45 AMG and the example you cited above).
     
  5. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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    Why use a heavy old fashioned 5 cylinder lump if a modern lightweight 4 pot can deliver sufficient power ?

    I'm interested in Hondas new type r. Rumours suggest possible 350bhp and an incredibly lightweight forged block...

    Honda engineering at its best I hope !
     
  6. Av4nt

    Av4nt Well-Known Member Team V10 Team Sprint Audi S6 quattro saloon s tronic

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    Only one issue with this... it is ugly as sin
     
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  7. andy203

    andy203 181 BHP

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    Engine transplantation into A3!!
     
  8. Gazwould

    Gazwould Well-Known Member

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  9. Flibble

    Flibble Active Member Team Estoril

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    Autoexpress are saying 276 BHP and 400 Nm target, with 0-60 in around 6s. That would make it somewhat slower than an S3.

    Styling wise it's pretty shouty. ;)
     
  10. CraigI

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  11. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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    it is somewhat garish isn't it......................................!
     
  12. Pulp84

    Pulp84 Well-Known Member Audi S3

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    I did a Honda factory tour in Swindon early this week and their was a few pics of this hanging up. The media guy we were with said it was a while off yet - maybe end of the year orders will start.

    Honda engineering also looks pretty old really walking around looking at the cars. Seems like they are behind on many levels in terms of car quality, infotainment, paint etc. Not sure if new Type R could tempt me away from the German stuff.
     
  13. the_lecht_rocks

    the_lecht_rocks Well-Known Member

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    Honda are still a drivetrain company. Engines and gearboxes rule and the rest of the experience hangs off the drivetrain.

    cheap plastics, great reliability and keen pricing tempt many back and their service and customer satisfaction are undeniable.
     
  14. Pulp84

    Pulp84 Well-Known Member Audi S3

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    Pretty depressing being there the other night after announcing a big redundancy program and closing one of two production lines. They are really struggling to shift product around Europe.

    Agree - great engines (must admit didn't know they were up there on gearbox technology) and customer service. I hope they get some good product to market soon....all a bit sad at the moment when you actually go to the factory and talk to some employees. They know their product is way behind rivals.

    Im thinking RS3 will be the 2.0 litre - can't see there is much life left in the 5 pot.
     
  15. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Not if you build it properly.

    You will need forged pistons and rods,and decent bearing shells etc,but if you consider that mine is a daily runner with 500bhp,and has run over 440bhp for the last 3 yrs and 36 000 miles,then you can see that over 200bhp/litre is not only attainable,but reliable.
     
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    JohnNW New Member

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  17. Dan_G

    Dan_G Well-Known Member Team Navarra Audi S3 SQ5 owners group

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    Interesting to see more info on the Golf R Evo popping up on pistonheads and other links today.

    2.0T good for 380bhp.

    This is beginning to make more sense to me that the RS3 and Golf Evo could be the range topping cars for both brands and could therefore use the higher tuned 2.0 engine over the heavier 5 pot.

    Hmmm...
     
  18. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    The 2.0 engine in the Golf R/S3 has been good for that sort of power for years to be fair.

    All of the Stg2+(i.e. non-big turbo) maps,will deliver around 360-370bhp with reliability over a long time,subject to good treatment such as regular oil changes etc.

    The engine itself is good for 440bhp and 440lbs before needing a bottom end rebuild,and after that sort of work,good for a lot more.

    The 2.5 has proved difficult to tune,and few kits exist even for the TT-RS,leaving mostly software and straightforward upgrades to take owners towards 500bhp.
    The 2.0 has been there for a while.
     
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  19. royalsteve68

    royalsteve68 Well-Known Member TeamMisano Audi RS3 Audi S3 Team Ara Blue

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    Agreed. Hideous spolier
     
  20. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    And again.....serious eyesore.
     
  21. veeeight

    veeeight I am a very pretty girl VCDS Map User Black Edition

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    It will go down very well with the McDonalds crowd :)

    Or is it the Krispy Kreme crowd these days, I can't keep up!

    :lmfao:
     
  22. Derbz

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    +1

    Thats what ive heard aswell, 2ltr 4 pot in an RS3 will be a poor choice on Audis behalf imo.

    the 5 cyl engine is one of the main focus points of the RS3/TTrs.

    I would say they will work some magic on the block to make it lighter..
     
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  24. warren_S5

    warren_S5 Moderator Moderator VCDS Map User

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    367bhp with 5 cylinders and a 2500 cubic capacity....

    I appreciate it's an increase in performance on the old unit, but given the Merc is only 7bhp poorer with a humble 2.0 litre 4 pot I think that's a bit weak. That said, it's not always about the headline value, it's how it transfers the horses it's got onto the back stuff, and we know from the current RS3 it's very good at that.
     
  25. J6YAK

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    Ha ha ha looks like someone smashed through Halfords window and all the s**t stuck to it!!!
     
  26. warren_S5

    warren_S5 Moderator Moderator VCDS Map User

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    I bet it will drive well though. Looks a serious racer rather than a conservative Eurobox. That said, a bit extreme for my tastes.
     
  27. Gazwould

    Gazwould Well-Known Member

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  28. Derbz

    Derbz Member

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    Hopefully the claimed power is below what it really is...abit like the S4/5 :yes:

    Ethier way it should map well.
     
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  29. Joetidman

    Joetidman Well-Known Member

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  31. s3_trev

    s3_trev Northern Ireland Gold Supporter Team Brill Red Audi S3

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    Anyone know if they are going to build a 3 door this time? Hopefully its not just the family wagon they roll out this time. 3 door RS3 would excite me in a big way, ultimate hot hatch.
     
  32. Joetidman

    Joetidman Well-Known Member

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    Given the speed at which they are bringing this one out combined with RS3 Saloon pictures I've seen, I would be very surprised if they didn't...
     
  33. PilotAudi

    PilotAudi New Member

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    Sportback S3 is no family wagon here just more practical .
     
  34. S3Alex

    S3Alex Rarely neutral Team Ibis TFSI Owners Group Gold Supporter Audi S3 DSG

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    Yes,definitely good on traction,but the problem so far(even before the latest ECU encryption) has been tuning the 2.5 RS engine.

    All of the real work so far has been done on the TT-RS platform,and little if any,on the RS3,and there have been issues with both packaging and designing parts to fit,plus actually unlocking the potential in terms of power.

    There are a few 550bhp+ TT-RS's around,but not many,and fewer have been trouble free.
     

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