Just ordered a brand new SKY HD box from www.pennineplus.com Authorised SKY dealer. £200 delivered. If you have SKY+ already,the box just switches over,so no need for a £60 install. Same wiring etc. Then it's just a case of calling SKY and getting them to upgrade your card down the line. Piece of proverbial. I'm afraid there's no way of avoiding the £10 a month for HD subscription,but at least you've saved £99 on the box itself. The box price was always the stumbling block for me,not the sub.